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Killer93
10-18-2014, 06:25 PM
God help us all. Frattin in for Kozun, Robidas in for Percy

zeke
10-18-2014, 06:25 PM
2yr Stats (until the 5-10gm mark):


Line 1

C T.Bozak (28): 104gms, 31gls, 77pts, 43.9cf%, 20:40 (82gms, 25gls, 61pts)
C H.Zetterberg (34): 91gms, 27gls, 96pts, 53.9cf%, 20:32 (82gms, 24gls, 87pts)

W P.Kessel (27): 130gms, 57gls, 132pts, 44.9cf%, 20:21 (82gms, 36gls, 83pts)
W G.Nyquist (25): 79gms, 31gls, 54pts, 54.5cf%, 18:26 (82gms, 32gls, 56pts)

W J.Vanriemsdyk (25): 128gms, 48gls, 93pts, 44.7cf%, 20:21 (82gms, 31gls, 60pts)
W J.Abdelkader (27): 118gms, 20gls, 41pts, 52.7cf%, 15:06 (82gms, 14gls, 29pts)

Line 2

C N.Kadri (24): 126gms, 38gls, 94pts, 45.9cf%, 16:53 (82gms, 25gls, 61pts)
C R.Sheahan (23): 43gms, 9gls, 24pts, 56.1cf%, 14:26 (82gms, 24gls, 46pts)

W J.Lupul (31): 85gms, 33gls, 62pts, 42.8cf%, 18:01 (82gms, 31gls, 60pts)
W T.Tatar (24): 91gms, 23gls, 46pts, 57.0cf%, 13:46 (82gms, 21gls, 42pts)

W D.Winnik (29): 124gms, 12gls, 49pts, 48.6cf%, 15:57 (82gms, 8gls, 32pts)
W T.Jurco (21): 36gms, 8gls, 15pts, 55.8cf%, 13:28 (82gms, 18gls, 34pts)

Line 3

C M.Santorelli (29): 83gms, 12gls, 32pts, 50.6cf%, 15:32 (82gms, 12gls, 32pts)
C D.Helm (27): 43gms, 12gls, 20pts, 53.1cf%, 15:09 (82gms, 23gls, 38pts)

W D.Clarkson (30): 108gms, 20gls, 35pts, 49.7cf%, 16:13 (82gms, 15gls, 27pts)
W S.Weiss (31): 43gms, 3gls, 8pts, 40.7cf%, 16:14 (82gms, 6gls, 15pts)

W L.Komarov (27): 42gms, 4gls, 9pts, 45.7cf%, 13:56 (82gms, 8gls, 17pts)
W A.Nestrasil (23): --------

Line 4

C P.Holland (23): 64gms, 9gls, 16pts, 44.6cf% 11:26 (82gms, 12gls, 21pts)
C L.Glendening (25): 56gms, 1gls, 7pts, 46.2cf%, 13:55 (82gms, 2gls, 10pts)

W M.Frattin (26): 69gms, 9gls, 20pts, 50.7cf%, 12:28 (82gms, 11gls, 24pts)
W J.Andersson (25): 103gms, 11gls, 25pts, 52.7cf%, 13:11 (82gms, 9gls, 20pts)

W R.Panik (23): 75gms, 8gls, 22pts, 48.9cf%, 12:14 (82gms, 9gls, 24pts)
W D.Miller (30): 126gms, 11gls, 23pts, 48.3cf%, 14:01 (82gms, 7gls, 15pts)




Pair 1

D D.Phaneuf (29): 128gms, 17gls, 59pts, 41.3cf%, 24:13 (82gms, 11gls, 38pts)
D N.Kronwall (33): 127gms, 13gls, 78pts, 52.7cf%, 24:20 (82gms, 8gls, 50pts)

D C.Franson (27): 124gms, 9gls, 62pts, 45.2cf%, 20:00 (82gms, 6gls, 41pts)
D B.Smith (25): 105gms, 5gls, 27pts, 54.6cf%, 18:24 (82gms, 4gls, 21pts)

Pair 2

D J.Gardiner (24): 92gms, 10gls, 35pts, 46.6cf%, 21:00 (82gms, 9gls, 31pts)
D D.Dekeyser (24): 76gms, 4gls, 24pts, 49.9cf%, 21:07 (82gms, 4gls, 26pts)

D S.Robidas (37): 86gms, 6gls, 23pts, 49.6cf%, 21:19 (82gms, 2gls, 30pts)
D K.Quincey (29): 118gms, 5gls, 16pts, 51.3cf%, 20:19 (82gms, 4gls, 11pts)

Pair 3

D R.Polak (28): 120gms, 5gls, 19pts, 49.5cf%, 17:46 (82gms, 3gls, 13pts)
D J.Ericsson (30): 93gms, 4gls, 24pts, 52.6cf%, 21:17 (82gms, 4gls, 21pts)

D M.Rielly (20): 73gms, 2gls, 27pts, 44.5cf%, 17:37 (82gms, 2gls, 30pts)
D J.Kindl (27): 107gms, 6gls, 32pts, 53.0cf%, 17:44 (82gms, 5gls, 25pts)



Starting Goalie

G J.Bernier (26): .922sv% (69gms)
G J.Gustavsson (30): .903sv% (34gms)

Backup Goalie

G J.Reimer (26): .917sv% (69gms)
G P.Mrazek (22): .926sv% (11gms)



Injured / Suspended

W D.Booth (30): 78gms, 10gls, 22pts, 53.0cf%, 13:21 (82gms, 11gls, 23pts)
W B.Kozun (24): ---

C P.Datsyuk (36): 92gms, 32gls, 86pts, 56.8cf%, 20:13 (82gms, 29gls, 77pts)
W J.Franzen (35): 95gms, 30gls, 72pts, 52.1cf%, 17:50 (82gms, 26gls, 62pts)
G J.Howard (30): .916sv% (93gms)

zeke
10-18-2014, 06:29 PM
oh wait, looks like robidas is in for percy. I'll edit.

zeke
10-18-2014, 06:40 PM
oh wait again, Franzen is injured, Weiss makes his season debut. I'll edit.

ForeverTML
10-18-2014, 06:41 PM
Who's got bets on jersey thrown on the ice again?

Killer93
10-18-2014, 06:41 PM
Surprised Percy is out; Franson should sit

ForeverTML
10-18-2014, 06:42 PM
Polak was utter shit. He should have sat.

BeLeafer
10-18-2014, 06:42 PM
Merged the GDT threads ... good timing gents, ha

Frattin is in correct? Not sure what this guy did to deserve these repeated opportunities.

Killer93
10-18-2014, 06:43 PM
Agreed; would have given Ashton a look

leaffan2005
10-18-2014, 06:54 PM
Well after last night's garbage effort, let's hope the boys come out with a little more desperation. That Red Wings roster looks ugly, and there is no reason why we should not be able to take them tonight.

Need the top line to have a better game and for Bernier to be solid in his first game in almost a week.

BeLeafer
10-18-2014, 06:55 PM
That Red Wings roster looks ugly, and there is no reason why we should not be able to take them tonight.

That's what I thought last night. At least we get Gus tonight. Could be a repeat of last Saturday.

Hopefully, Bernier quickly turns the tide on his weak start.

leaffan2005
10-18-2014, 07:00 PM
I almost want them to get down and see how they respond to being behind. Definitely the most concerning part of this year thus far is how the team has responded to being down a goal or two. Just no fight-back.

Killer93
10-18-2014, 07:06 PM
Detroits 4th line just dominated our top line

BeLeafer
10-18-2014, 07:13 PM
Looking much better tonight.

Funny, the crowd in detroit is more supportive for the Leafs than the one at the ACC.

leaffan2005
10-18-2014, 07:18 PM
Atta' boy Frattin! Take a stupid penalty in your chance to get back into the line-up.

ForeverTML
10-18-2014, 07:19 PM
this team is dumb

zeke
10-18-2014, 07:20 PM
decent start, but man don't give up a goal here. it'll crush our weak minds.

BeLeafer
10-18-2014, 07:24 PM
PK continues to be solid. Bernier looking really good.

leaffan2005
10-18-2014, 07:24 PM
Dumb, dumb, dumb. It's like they want to lose.

zeke
10-18-2014, 07:24 PM
****ing refs.

leaffan2005
10-18-2014, 07:26 PM
He cross-checked him in the back 200 feet away from his net. Easy call to make there.

MindzEye
10-18-2014, 07:26 PM
We look like shit.

zeke
10-18-2014, 07:27 PM
glending punches/cross checks lupul three times, kessel gets the penalty for one. nice.

Feyd
10-18-2014, 07:27 PM
That was a lameass call.

leaffan2005
10-18-2014, 07:28 PM
Making Gus look like Hasek.

zeke
10-18-2014, 07:28 PM
We look like shit.

no we don't.

leaffan2005
10-18-2014, 07:28 PM
glending punches/cross checks lupul three times, kessel gets the penalty for one. nice.

You are acting as if you didn't know that the retaliator always gets the penalty.

zeke
10-18-2014, 07:29 PM
detroit dmen get underessed on consecutive shifts by......winnik and komarov. funny.

MindzEye
10-18-2014, 07:29 PM
Excellent kill so far

zeke
10-18-2014, 07:29 PM
You are acting as if you didn't know that the retaliator always gets the penalty.

you are acting as if that's a true statement.

leaffan2005
10-18-2014, 07:30 PM
PK and goaltending have been very good thus far. Now let's stop taking stupid penalties.

zeke
10-18-2014, 07:31 PM
****ing garbage bullshit ****ing refs bullshit ****

leaffan2005
10-18-2014, 07:31 PM
Oh, look another penalty! ****ing idiots keep taking penalties in their own offensive zone. Kadri with the flying elbows.

MindzEye
10-18-2014, 07:31 PM
no we don't.

We don't look "good" at all. The wings had us trapped in our zone for about an entire minute or so, with Leafs puck chasing and Wings calmly moving the puck around our zone.

AKA - Looking like shit

BeLeafer
10-18-2014, 07:31 PM
WTF?

That call was total bullshit.

Feyd
10-18-2014, 07:32 PM
How was that an elbow? Because the Detroit player whined to the ref?

ForeverTML
10-18-2014, 07:32 PM
What in the ****? How was that elbowing? Who the **** are these refs?

zeke
10-18-2014, 07:33 PM
We don't look "good" at all. The wings had us trapped in our zone for about an entire minute or so, with Leafs puck chasing and Wings calmly moving the puck around our zone.

AKA - Looking like shit

that was one shift, yes.

in which they didn't even direct a puck on net, iirc.

MindzEye
10-18-2014, 07:34 PM
that was one shift, yes.

Meh, if you think this looks like quality, winning hockey...good for you man.

BeLeafer
10-18-2014, 07:34 PM
Shit, I thought Tim Peel was bad ... this crew might actually be worse. Reminds me of how it used to go back in the Devils hay day.

leaffan2005
10-18-2014, 07:34 PM
To be fair, we have looked better on the PK thus far than we have 5 on 5 so can't complain too much about all of these penalties. Also has allowed Bernier to get into this game quite well.

zeke
10-18-2014, 07:35 PM
****ing refs know they needed a makeup call.

stop making bullshit ****ing calls and you won't need to make the makeups.

zeke
10-18-2014, 07:35 PM
Meh, if you think this looks like quality, winning hockey...good for you man.

the game has been dead even, even though they've had 3 power plays.

MindzEye
10-18-2014, 07:40 PM
the game has been dead even, even though they've had 3 power plays.

Usually need to have the puck to draw penalties...not always. Just usually.

This is a very mediocre Red Wings team, missing their best player, with their shitty back up in net and at best we've been close to even with them.

leaffan2005
10-18-2014, 07:40 PM
Bernier has been a rock in this period. Good for him.

zeke
10-18-2014, 07:40 PM
****ing wings get away with all their bullshit, of course.

Feyd
10-18-2014, 07:41 PM
Blatant trip on Kadri leads to a scoring chance, no call.

zeke
10-18-2014, 07:43 PM
oh man get that off the ice santo.

nice move tho.

zeke
10-18-2014, 07:44 PM
kronwall hooked his arm. of course.

BeLeafer
10-18-2014, 07:46 PM
Leafs are playing way better tonight despite the bullshit officiating. Bernier with a great first. Unfortunately, Gus matched him with a bunch of really good saves. Does Gus hold up for 2 more periods?

zeke
10-18-2014, 07:47 PM
bernier looks good for the first time this year, at least.

zeke
10-18-2014, 07:50 PM
Phaneuf 8:07 (24:21)
Franson 6:09 (18:27)

Gardiner 7:46 (23:18)
Robidas 5:07 (15:21)

Polak 6:43 (20:09)
Rielly 6:08 (18:24)

MindzEye
10-18-2014, 07:52 PM
bernier looks good for the first time this year, at least.

This was my personal silver lining in that period.

zeke
10-18-2014, 07:52 PM
Bozak 6:03 (18:09)
Kessel 7:05 (21:15)
vanryk 6:47 (20:21)

Kadri 4:56 (14:48)
Lupul 5:47 (17:21)
Winnik 5:42 (17:06)

Santo 3:04 (9:12)
Komarov 5:55 (17:45)
Clarkson 3:49 (11:27)

Holland 2:39 (7:57)
Panik 1:12 (3:36)
Frattin 1:01 (3:03)

zeke
10-18-2014, 07:56 PM
interesting how good our PK has looked this year.....also interesting that Bozak has pretty much been completely removed from it.

even with all the penalties, our PK time:

Komarov 3:25
Winnik 3:18

Holland 1:34
vanryk 1:27

just two pairings.

Polak 3:14
Phaneuf 2:53

Robidas 1:59
Rielly 0:55
Franson 0:43

I was annoyed to see franson out there for that one PK shift. Hopefully that was just a line timing issue.

Habsy
10-18-2014, 08:04 PM
****ing refs know they needed a makeup call.

stop making bullshit ****ing calls and you won't need to make the makeups.
Heh

hockeylover
10-18-2014, 08:07 PM
How the **** has the whole game story been about Kessel not scoring for... *GASP* one whole game?

zeke
10-18-2014, 08:07 PM
takes three different penalties on that shift to finally get one call.

SundinsTooth
10-18-2014, 08:09 PM
and then best scoring chance goes to Det

Habsy
10-18-2014, 08:09 PM
You guys got the second worst ref in the league behind Chris Lee... Frederic L'Ecuyer. Take it from a guy that's obsessed with watching officials, he's awful.

TimHorton
10-18-2014, 08:10 PM
Frattin is not a good hockey player, but man what a release that kid has.

ForeverTML
10-18-2014, 08:11 PM
Ill say this, Gardiner has forgot how to pass. Seriously, he flubs and bumbles the puck more than any other d man not named franson.

zeke
10-18-2014, 08:11 PM
leafs with a number of good shifts finally, sandwiched around that PP.

better stuff this period.

but put one past gusto already.

CRL
10-18-2014, 08:13 PM
Ill say this, Gardiner has forgot how to pass. Seriously, he flubs and bumbles the puck more than any other d man not named franson.

when your dumb ass coach has you on short leash anything done with hasitation

Volcanologist
10-18-2014, 08:13 PM
we're making ****ing Gustavsson look like a star.

BeLeafer
10-18-2014, 08:14 PM
I'll give Randy this ... Jake is way too soft. Grow a pair already.

zeke
10-18-2014, 08:14 PM
I like winnik.

CRL
10-18-2014, 08:16 PM
why Bozak is not playing 2-nd game in the row?

ForeverTML
10-18-2014, 08:20 PM
Phil gets slashed, no call. These refs belong in the ECHL.

hockeylover
10-18-2014, 08:20 PM
... Did Kessel just suffer a hand injury there? Well, that's exactly what we need. :|

hockeylover
10-18-2014, 08:21 PM
Yup. Leaves the bench. ****ing fantastic...

Feyd
10-18-2014, 08:23 PM
No call of course. Wow.

CRL
10-18-2014, 08:23 PM
Ref #89 was watching slash all the way

ForeverTML
10-18-2014, 08:23 PM
Watch the wings score now to rub it in. These games against the dead things are ****ing frustrating.

Volcanologist
10-18-2014, 08:25 PM
that graphic there says it all about this franchise.

zeke
10-18-2014, 08:27 PM
their fourth line has hemmed in our first line so many times today. that is pretty pathetic.

CRL
10-18-2014, 08:27 PM
JVR is not interested

da_next_kid
10-18-2014, 08:27 PM
Bernier is back at least.

BeLeafer
10-18-2014, 08:27 PM
Polak is starting to look deja vu.

At least Kessel is back ... though that line just got itself hemmed again.

BeLeafer
10-18-2014, 08:30 PM
Gus is still a rebound machine. Keeping hitting him with heavy rubber and dive in for the rebound boys!

zeke
10-18-2014, 08:32 PM
after all that crap they call that gayness. hilarious.

SundinsTooth
10-18-2014, 08:32 PM
heh...quality nhl officiating.

Feyd
10-18-2014, 08:32 PM
lol, so weak.

hockeylover
10-18-2014, 08:33 PM
Holy crap... been a long time since I've seen a game with this kind of officiating...

zeke
10-18-2014, 08:44 PM
Corsi Total

TOR: 37 (50.0%)
DET: 37

Corsi Even Strength

TOR: 30 (54.5%)
DET: 25

zeke
10-18-2014, 08:55 PM
Phaneuf 16:33 (24:50)
Franson 12:29 (18:44)

Gardiner 14:21 (21:32)
Polak 12:29 (18:44)

Rielly 14:02 (21:03)
Robidas 10:15 (15:23)

zeke
10-18-2014, 08:59 PM
Bozak 11:58 (17:57) - 47%
Kessel 13:12 (20:08)
vanryk 12:38 (18:57)

Kadri 10:45 (16:08) - 13%
Lupul 12:36 (18:54)
Winnik 11:26 (17:09)

Santo 7:44 (11:36) - 33%
Komarov 12:11 (18:17)
Clarkson 9:38 (14:27)

Holland 4:28 (6:42) - 50%
Frattin 2:54 (4:21)
Panik 2:21 (3:32)

CRL
10-18-2014, 09:04 PM
I thought refs were waiting to see Kessel's wrist on the ice before calling anything

Feyd
10-18-2014, 09:05 PM
The Wings are masters of faceoff interference. Simply amazing.

CRL
10-18-2014, 09:06 PM
wow! Franson is dumb like a rock

zeke
10-18-2014, 09:11 PM
holland looked good on that PP. he should be on the 2nd unit instead of clarkson.

zeke
10-18-2014, 09:13 PM
clarkson you idiot.

Feyd
10-18-2014, 09:13 PM
Sigh.

ForeverTML
10-18-2014, 09:13 PM
This team is really, really dumb.

zeke
10-18-2014, 09:14 PM
winnik rules.

what a signing.

he's so much better than clarkson its hilarious.

Metalleaf
10-18-2014, 09:14 PM
@HennyTweets: Too many men penalty assessed to Leafs with 13:08 to play. Looked like Kessel had already got to the bench. #TMLtalk

Refs suck...

Feyd
10-18-2014, 09:15 PM
Kadri 2-11 in the faceoff circle tonight. Brutal.

Metalleaf
10-18-2014, 09:16 PM
We will never be a good team if Kadri can't become a decent centre man at both ends.

CRL
10-18-2014, 09:18 PM
We will never be a good team if Kadri can't become a decent centre man at both ends.

or playing 3 lines back to back

ForeverTML
10-18-2014, 09:18 PM
Heres another where Bernier steals one for us. stellar,

BeLeafer
10-18-2014, 09:18 PM
Kadri has ONE bad night on faceoffs and now he's a questionable centre? **** me.

Feyd
10-18-2014, 09:19 PM
Great shift by the 3rd line.

ForeverTML
10-18-2014, 09:20 PM
This is one of the worst reffed game Ive seen in a long time. Just putrid.

hockeylover
10-18-2014, 09:21 PM
Kadri has ONE bad night on faceoffs and now he's a questionable centre? **** me.

These guys are so reactionary to one or two games.

ZOMG PHIL KESSEL SO FRUSTRATED AND STREAKY.

hockeylover
10-18-2014, 09:22 PM
And wow that Komarov-Santa-Clarkson line. Clarkson is useful again.

Metalleaf
10-18-2014, 09:23 PM
LOL I'm the least reactionary person here....

BeLeafer
10-18-2014, 09:24 PM
Robidas, btw, looks way better tonight.

zeke
10-18-2014, 09:24 PM
nice bernier.

MindzEye
10-18-2014, 09:24 PM
OH BURNIER!!!

BeLeafer
10-18-2014, 09:24 PM
Bernier and Gus are putting on a heckuva duel.

Metalleaf
10-18-2014, 09:25 PM
Robidas was coming off a bad injury, he was never gonna be what he was signed to be off the bat.

MindzEye
10-18-2014, 09:25 PM
Detroit is getting away with an obscene amount of obstruction

hockeylover
10-18-2014, 09:26 PM
LOL I'm the least reactionary person here....

Misunderstood his post/missed the exchange. I was talking about the play by play guys.

MindzEye
10-18-2014, 09:26 PM
This 3rd line is ****ing fantastic.

zeke
10-18-2014, 09:27 PM
ach.

plenty O chances.

this 3rd line is good. only a matter of time before pucks start to go in for them.

BeLeafer
10-18-2014, 09:27 PM
For an 0-0 game , this has been some good stuff (aside from those tools with the striped jerseys).

Neurospasm
10-18-2014, 09:27 PM
Man this is playing like a playoff game. Reffed like one too. So much old time hack and slash

zeke
10-18-2014, 09:31 PM
leafs approaching 60% corsi at even strength.

Metalleaf
10-18-2014, 09:32 PM
This is without playing the 4th line too.

CRL
10-18-2014, 09:33 PM
offside?!

BeLeafer
10-18-2014, 09:34 PM
These guys really need to be rewarded for the much better effort. C'mon boys, Gus ain't that good.

hockeylover
10-18-2014, 09:35 PM
It'd be nice for that third line to get on the scoreboard. They deserve it.

zeke
10-18-2014, 09:36 PM
****ing franson.

i'm done with him.

BeLeafer
10-18-2014, 09:36 PM
Franson is such a tool.

CRL
10-18-2014, 09:37 PM
Franson LOL!

Volcanologist
10-18-2014, 09:37 PM
Once again....**** you, Josh Gorges.

ForeverTML
10-18-2014, 09:37 PM
Polak, Gardiner, Franson. All a bunch of giveaway machines.

zeke
10-18-2014, 09:38 PM
Sportsnet590 The FAN @FAN590
Per @SportsnetTicker, this is the first time since 1954 The #RedWings and #Leafs have been tied 0-0 after 60 minutes of play. #NHL


weird.

SundinsTooth
10-18-2014, 09:39 PM
I'm watching that last 30 seconds, and I'm like...ok we have it at center...ok why is our captain backing to our blue line..ok what the hell is he doing behind our net...oh, he is going to trust it to Franson....holy **** FRANSON! WtF....you ****ing useless hockey player.

Bleedsblue&white
10-18-2014, 09:39 PM
Franson is playing for a contract.
Think about that.

SundinsTooth
10-18-2014, 09:40 PM
He can choke on a big dick for all I care. My god the waste of space that is #4 is scary.

BeLeafer
10-18-2014, 09:41 PM
Sportsnet590 The FAN @FAN590
Per @SportsnetTicker, this is the first time since 1954 The #RedWings and #Leafs have been tied 0-0 after 60 minutes of play. #NHL


weird.

Very.

zeke
10-18-2014, 09:41 PM
59.7% esCorsi in this one.

against a good possession team to boot.

haven't seen that in a long, long time.

Artnes
10-18-2014, 09:41 PM
Beavis and Butthead need to be split up

SundinsTooth
10-18-2014, 09:42 PM
Healy...I really thought he would be a trivia question but he keeps getting work.

Habsy
10-18-2014, 09:43 PM
Once again....**** you, Josh Gorges.
:lol

hockeylover
10-18-2014, 09:49 PM
Sort of a shame if this 0-0 game is decided by shootout.

*Edit*

**** me.

CRL
10-18-2014, 09:49 PM
OMG

Killer93
10-18-2014, 09:49 PM
LOL typical

SundinsTooth
10-18-2014, 09:50 PM
This team really really stinks.

Metalleaf
10-18-2014, 09:50 PM
You got your wish.

BeLeafer
10-18-2014, 09:50 PM
Well, that sucks.

zeke
10-18-2014, 09:50 PM
bah.

we deserved better.

SundinsTooth
10-18-2014, 09:50 PM
Franson on the ice...natch.

Deckie007
10-18-2014, 09:51 PM
Sort of a shame if this 0-0 game is decided by shootout.

*Edit*

**** me.

Blamin' you

Killer93
10-18-2014, 09:51 PM
Franson...

zeke
10-18-2014, 09:51 PM
it's kinda appropriate that it was franson's man who scored the winner, though.

Deckie007
10-18-2014, 09:52 PM
This team really really stinks.

Played well. Sucky result, but good effort overall.

CRL
10-18-2014, 09:52 PM
we probably will thank Randy and Franson in the end of the season for McDavid

hockeylover
10-18-2014, 09:52 PM
it's kinda appropriate that it was franson's man who scored the winner, though.

I'm guessing you're no longer on #TeamFranson

Killer93
10-18-2014, 09:53 PM
Unless you dump the coach were in for a very long year

CRL
10-18-2014, 09:53 PM
Played well. Sucky result, but good effort overall.

is there award for effort? are we watching junior AAA league?

SundinsTooth
10-18-2014, 09:53 PM
Played well. Sucky result, but good effort overall.

Yeah, my comment was more just spur of the moment venting...

zeke
10-18-2014, 09:54 PM
and why was franson out there for the last shift of the game, anyways?

Deckie007
10-18-2014, 09:54 PM
is there award for effort? are we watching junior AAA league?

Well, we got one point, so we have that going for us.

SundinsTooth
10-18-2014, 09:55 PM
and why was franson out there for the last shift of the game, anyways?

The big question that you gotta hope gets asked behind the scenes.

hockeylover
10-18-2014, 09:55 PM
I'd like to see the same D I wanted in the summer - something like...

Gardiner Phaneuf
Rielly Robidas
Percy Polak

Leafyblue
10-18-2014, 09:55 PM
I blame Randy for not taking a time out.

BeLeafer
10-18-2014, 09:56 PM
Lots of good takeways from that game despite the last second loss.

-- Clarkson looks like he'll be useful this year, which is a huge improvement over last year.

-- Robidas looking much better. Getting his legs rather than not able to keep up any longer.

-- Bernier had an excellent game.

-- Leafs played a very hard fought game after getting the schooled last night.

-- Holland is getting some opportunity and has looked much better for it.

-- Phaneuf had a very strong game, despite playing with that ****ing tool Franson.

All that said, they should have been able to get at least one behind Gus. He's not that good.

MindzEye
10-18-2014, 09:56 PM
and why was franson out there for the last shift of the game, anyways?

http://46wvda23y0nl13db2j3bl1yxxln.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Randy_Carlyle_0410_NP-620x357.jpg

zeke
10-18-2014, 09:57 PM
59.7% corsi 5v5 is damn good, so its tough to be angry about this one.

of course, we were only at 23.1% 4v4, including overtime and two extended 4v4 stints in regular time.

overally it was 54.1% for the leafs at even strength, though, which is still good.

SundinsTooth
10-18-2014, 09:57 PM
You look at the last 30 seconds of regulation and Franson completely panicking to turnover the puck leading to a dangerous scoring chance and think that there is no way that guy gets any more leeway...yet Randy rewards him by putting him out there with 30 secs to go in OT. It's the same old crazy shit that really limits any kind of success this team can hope to earn.

hockeylover
10-18-2014, 09:58 PM
Lots of good takeways from that game despite the last second loss.

-- Clarkson looks like he'll be useful this year, which is a huge improvement over last year.

-- Robidas looking much better. Getting his legs rather than not able to keep up any longer.

-- Bernier had an excellent game.

-- Leafs played a very hard fought game after getting the schooled last night.

-- Holland is getting some opportunity and has looked much better for it.

-- Phaneuf had a very strong game, despite playing with that ****ing tool Franson.

All that said, they should have been able to get at least one behind Gus. He's not that good.

Agreed with pretty much all of the above. Most surprising is Clarkson.

BeLeafer
10-18-2014, 09:58 PM
and why was franson out there for the last shift of the game, anyways?

For the same reason he was out there in the dying seconds of the third in a tied game. Randy is a ****ing idiot. Though, I can't really blame the tool for tat goal. It was not screened or tipped and was shot from fairly far out.

SundinsTooth
10-18-2014, 09:59 PM
59.7% corsi 5v5 is damn good, so its tough to be angry about this one.

of course, we were only at 23.1% 4v4, including overtime and two extended 4v4 stints in regular time.

overally it was 54.1% for the leafs at even strength, though, which is still good.

Maybe we can hang a banner.

madvillain
10-18-2014, 10:01 PM
Randy Carlyle's the Rudy Gay of this team.

hockeylover
10-18-2014, 10:02 PM
Any chance we can get a line by line corsi? It'd be interesting to see the numbers on that third line.

CRL
10-18-2014, 10:03 PM
So when our 1-st line is not scoring we have no chance winning any game?

Metalleaf
10-18-2014, 10:03 PM
It would be nice to see better efforts from our top 6.

zeke
10-18-2014, 10:07 PM
Any chance we can get a line by line corsi? It'd be interesting to see the numbers on that third line.

Santo +10
Komarov +9
Clarkson +4

Kadri +7
Winnik +9
Lupul +7

Bozak +0
Kessel +0
vanryk -1

Holland -2
Frattin +0
Panik -1

Metalleaf
10-18-2014, 10:08 PM
https://twitter.com/jeffler/status/523659614236442625

zeke
10-18-2014, 10:10 PM
Santo +10
Komarov +9
Clarkson +4

Kadri +7
Winnik +9
Lupul +7

Bozak +0
Kessel +0
vanryk -1

Holland -2
Frattin +0
Panik -1

even more dramatic when you account for zone starts (negative numbers mean tougher zone starts):

Santo +10 (-16.84)
Komarov +9 (-16.84)
Clarkson +4 (-16.84)

Kadri +7(-7.00)
Winnik +9 (+20.37)
Lupul +7(-7.00)

Bozak +0 (-0.48)
Kessel +0 (+9.05)
vanryk -1 (-0.48)

Holland -2 (+74.07)
Frattin +0 (+22.00)
Panik -1 (+71.43)



Basically, again, our 2nd and 3rd line have played great, and our first and fourth line have been disgraceful.

CRL
10-18-2014, 10:11 PM
http://images.scribblelive.com/2012/3/3/2f99f4d6-7f9a-4044-9be1-a03e66102077_500.jpg

hockeylover
10-18-2014, 10:13 PM
Santo +10
Komarov +9
Clarkson +4

Kadri +7
Winnik +9
Lupul +7

Bozak +0
Kessel +0
vanryk -1

Holland -2
Frattin +0
Panik -1

Interesting, thanks. That's really exactly what you'd expect based on what we're seeing out there, isn't it?

Also, I'm with you on Winnik. Nice pickup.

zeke
10-18-2014, 10:21 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing Kessel and Winnik flip spots, just to see how it worked.

MindzEye
10-18-2014, 10:33 PM
Basically, again, our 2nd and 3rd line have played great, and our first and fourth line have been disgraceful.


Whenever Kessel slumps, that line completely disappears....which is of course the "I watch the game with my eyes" argument for why Bozak simply isn't fit as a 1st line centre.

Complete ****ing passenger.

Pronger84
10-18-2014, 10:52 PM
Great gsme by the leafs, that 3rd line is easily our best line this year constantly giving other teams fits in their own end. Shitty end to the game though, not sure what randy was thinking by having the keesel line out on the ice for the last minute, I would have gone with the clarkson line.

All in all lots of positives tonight.

CRL
10-18-2014, 11:05 PM
Great gsme by the leafs, that 3rd line is easily our best line this year constantly giving other teams fits in their own end. Shitty end to the game though, not sure what randy was thinking by having the keesel line out on the ice for the last minute, I would have gone with the clarkson line.

All in all lots of positives tonight.

biggest positive is McDavid who is getting closer to be the leaf

BeLeafer
10-18-2014, 11:09 PM
Agreed with pretty much all of the above. Most surprising is Clarkson.

Cheers, HL!

Pronger84
10-18-2014, 11:17 PM
biggest positive is McDavid who is getting closer to be the leaf

I highly doubt that happens...the roster is not a lottery team. Odds are if we miss the playoffs that we draft between 5-10th overall.

JackBurton
10-18-2014, 11:24 PM
I highly doubt that happens...the roster is not a lottery team. Odds are if we miss the playoffs that we draft between 5-10th overall.

That's what think. Goaltending is too good and too much scoring punch. And Carlyle will be fired at some point, which helps.

Deckie007
10-18-2014, 11:25 PM
I highly doubt that happens...the roster is not a lottery team. Odds are if we miss the playoffs that we draft between 5-10th overall.

I'm with special P here. Roster ain't that bad. This was actually a really well played game by most of the team and the advanced stats bear it out.

Pronger84
10-18-2014, 11:26 PM
That's what think. Goaltending is too good and too much scoring punch. And Carlyle will be fired at some point, which helps.

Yup, this year we can roll 3 lines which is something we couldnt do last season, plus riemer seems to be rebounding and if bernier plays like he did tonight I dont see this team getting the first overall pick. When do u think Carlye gets fired

JackBurton
10-18-2014, 11:27 PM
Yup, this year we can roll 3 lines which is something we couldnt do last season, plus riemer seems to be rebounding and if bernier plays like he did tonight I dont see this team getting the first overall pick. When do u think Carlye gets fired

I think Carlyle will be fired soon. By games 15-20.

Pronger84
10-18-2014, 11:29 PM
I think Carlyle will be fired soon. By games 15-20.

I could see that as well, he's just not working out here.. What I dont get is his puck possession stats for his teams have been dwindling since his anahiem days and with shanahan wanting a strict puck possession speed team it doesn't make sense to keep him hanging around.

KingTucker
10-19-2014, 12:07 AM
I could see that as well, he's just not working out here.. What I dont get is his puck possession stats for his teams have been dwindling since his anahiem days and with shanahan wanting a strict puck possession speed team it doesn't make sense to keep him hanging around.

Our possession has been (kinda) up lately. The problem is when we lose possession because of Franson, for example, then it becomes a tire fire of sorts. An ideal Leafs lineup (well my ideal anyway, which might be scary) would not have Franson or Robidas in it. We'd have some quick movement at all times, good skating and a little tighter movement from the forwards too. My biggest concern now is that the losing and non-playoffs wears on the players, especially the young studs like Rielly/Percy/Kadri and so on.

Wins are the only cure, but Dr. Carlyle isn't the one to deliver.

blacksheep
10-19-2014, 01:16 AM
Who wants to bet Gardiner sits but not Franson next game? **** me... are we done with this Carlyle experiment yet? What a ****ing tool.
Much better effort by the team as a whole. Bernier played very well, and (I can't believe I'm typing this) Clarkson earned his keep again tonight. (Did I just say that??)
Hate the fact that Kessel can get called on a cheap ass penalty, but they miss the slash on his hand entirely. A little consistency would be nice.
Beyond Kessel's slump, and Carlyle putting his boyfriend Franson out every single second of the game that he possibly can, this team is heading in the right direction. It only needs one thing right now, and that is to...
fire randy already, for **** sakes!
After that, Franson won't get as much ice time, and the team can continue it's improvement.
By the way, Leafman101 kept insisting Randy could change. Does he still think so?

Pronger84
10-19-2014, 01:58 AM
I'm no fan of franson, but aside from that gaffe on the goal I thought he played a pretty solid game, I didn't notice him making many boneheaded plays out there and actually he kept things simple. Before you put all the blame on franson for the goal also keep in mind Rielly was soft on his man which allowed for the pass,and I believe it was bozak caught in Lala land out there, not to mention bernier too deep in his net...sure franson deserves his fair share of blame but so do the other players I mentioned.

Does franson sit... I doubt it, actually if I was the coach I'd keep him in for now until he goes back to being a goof out there. As for who should sit, I don't think anyone does next game.. Percy has a lower body injury according to Carlyle so if he's not ready by Tuesday it'll be the same blueline that was iced tonight.

As for randy he needs to go and here's the simple version of it- shanahan wants the lesfs to be a speedy puck possession team, Carlye wants to play a crash and bang dump and chase style ala St louis... The two ideologies aren't working, it's far easier to fire the coach then to up haul the roster imo.

BeLeafer
10-19-2014, 03:13 AM
If Dave Nonis has any desire to retain his employment he must do two things by the 20 game mark:

1. Trade Franson for whatever some dumbass will pay.

2. Make a trade to replace Bozak as the #1 centre.

If these two things don't happen, the Leafs have almost no hope of reaching his meager goal.

Pucklosopher
10-19-2014, 10:50 AM
It's great that the 2nd and 3rd lines are starting to shape up. Now, the biggest problem is the 1st line. Despite the offense, they're an overall detriment even-strength. Smart teams like the Wings know how to shut them down by now. Really, the top-line becoming a much better two-way line - even at the expense of some offence - would take this team to the next level.

It's good news that the Leafs have Dubas and co. on staff now. They're not going to be fixed in their ideas about keeping that top-line together.

Killer93
10-19-2014, 11:10 AM
I like the idea of swapping Kessel and Winnik spots just to see what happens; also wouldnt oppose Kessel and Lupul changing spots as well

LeafGm
10-19-2014, 11:17 AM
If Dave Nonis has any desire to retain his employment he must do two things by the 20 game mark:

1. Trade Franson for whatever some dumbass will pay.

2. Make a trade to replace Bozak as the #1 centre.

If these two things don't happen, the Leafs have almost no hope of reaching his meager goal.
I'd say "fire Carlyle" has to make its way on to that list as well, with Horachek probably getting the nod as the interim guy.

JackBurton
10-19-2014, 11:26 AM
I'd say "fire Carlyle" has to make its way on to that list as well, with Horachek probably getting the nod as the interim guy.

Firing Carlyle should far and away be #1. It's the easiest and most logical. Getting a #1 centre is very, very difficult.

BeLeafer
10-19-2014, 11:55 AM
I'd say "fire Carlyle" has to make its way on to that list as well, with Horachek probably getting the nod as the interim guy.

Ah, I was trying to 'think outside the box' there, man. Well, just thinking ... besides canning that dummy, what does this team need?

I don't even think this requires landing a bonafide #1 centre, though that would be nice. Find a coach that will put Kadri in his proper place, dump Bozak, and find a good #2.

Pucklosopher
10-19-2014, 12:21 PM
I don't think it's a coincidence all the Leafs best games have been on the road. As Lupul has pointed out, the energy at the ACC is not helping the team.

leaffan2005
10-19-2014, 12:24 PM
I don't think it's a coincidence all the Leafs best games have been on the road. As Lupul has pointed out, the energy at the ACC is not helping the team.

And that is the exact issue with the make-up of this roster. A bunch of mentally fragile players who can't elevate their performance in the face of a little adversity. This is the same crowd that had 10,000 fans outside the arena during a playoff game just 2 years ago. Maybe if they show that they give some sort of a shit about their performance, fans wouldn't throw shit on the ice and boo.

BeLeafer
10-19-2014, 12:30 PM
I don't think it's a coincidence all the Leafs best games have been on the road. As Lupul has pointed out, the energy at the ACC is not helping the team.

It's a pretty sad day when the team uses its hometown crowd as an excuse for shit play. I don't even know if Lupul was doing that, but you can be sure the crowd at the ACC would be a lot better if they didn't play like shit, as they've done for most of the games they've played there. They utterly mailed it in against Detroit on Friday and deserved to be lustily booed off the ice. Same deal with the Pens game.

JackBurton
10-19-2014, 12:35 PM
Yeah, I thought that was terrible timing for Lupul's comment. It's fine to say it when things are going well, but they put on such a shitshow 24 hours earlier for the fans at the ACC and lost yet again on the road last night.

His point is correct. His timing looks like a sad excuse.

MindzEye
10-19-2014, 12:38 PM
I sympathize with the players to a degree...but the ACC crowd was pretty ****ing good during the playoff series against the Bruins, and having the lunatics outside in Maple Leaf Square was more or less unheard of levels of fan support.

Bust your hump in Toronto and the people cheer. Float and they don't. The fans are just sick of the losing.

Pronger84
10-19-2014, 01:36 PM
The problem is fans and corporations feed into the problem, they keep buying tickets and leafs merchandise which is profitable for Mlse. As long as they're selling out seats and making money the ownership truly doesn't give a shit about icing a winning product, as much as the team is to blame so are the fans who idiotically keep shelling out money.

I'm a leafs fan but I haven't give them a dime of my money in years, I watch them on tv when I can but that's as far as she goes,

Pronger84
10-19-2014, 01:43 PM
If Dave Nonis has any desire to retain his employment he must do two things by the 20 game mark:

1. Trade Franson for whatever some dumbass will pay.

2. Make a trade to replace Bozak as the #1 centre.

If these two things don't happen, the Leafs have almost no hope of reaching his meager goal.


I feel this is a bit of an over reaction on your end, given how weak the east are the leafs have a solid shot at making the playoffs and would have made them last year had it not been for that late season collapse.

I think franson is gone the minute the leafs find the right deal that make sense for them, they already nearly traded him onc there's nothing to stop them from doing it again. I doubt he's gone at the 20 game mark though, it's a long season and with injuries were gonna need a deep blueline, besides with a lot of teams close to or at the cap it makes it difficult to move him. This is the type of trade that goes down on deadline day, I think at the very least we can net a 2nd rounder for him and maybe even a mid ranged prospect.

There's been rumblings that there could be a deal between toronto and Carolina that would bring Eric staal to toronto. It would likely cost a lot to land him but it would give us that true first line centre we have been lacking since the mats sounding era.

MindzEye
10-19-2014, 02:29 PM
I'm a leafs fan but I haven't give them a dime of my money in years, I watch them on tv when I can but that's as far as she goes


You understand how television advertising works, right?

BeLeafer
10-19-2014, 04:13 PM
I feel this is a bit of an over reaction on your end

Hardly. I've wanted Bozak off that top line for a long time and he's the weak link up there. Plus, the stats have shown that he's a liability when not getting propped up by Phil. They need to replace him.

number17
10-19-2014, 04:19 PM
The good
- Clarkson probably played his best game as a Leaf tonight, and it looks like he's finally getting comfortable on a line and doing his best at what he does. And his best was not to shabby at all tonight. #71 was a BEAST tonight in puck battles. Along the board, in the corners, cycling the puck, in front of the net. Other than scoring he did pretty much everything you expected him to do.

- Third line was our best line tonight, and they are playing better as a unit every night, and developing better chemistry among them. I love Santo and Komarov too.

- Our PK is pretty darn good, and it's not a system thing. I still don't like our PK system, I feel our PKers are not aggressive enough in pressuring the PPers, especially the puck carrier. But the sheer presence of better personnel in Winnik and Komarov make our PK better.

- Bernier is finally back to last season's form. Very solid, very composed goaltending and it helped calm down the team


The bad
- Franson. And I'm not making him a whipping boy. I think he had a solid game vs. the Aves and deserves the top spot beside Phaneuf, but his inconsistency continues and he's back to being a turnover machine the past 2 games over the weekend. His poor defensive zone coverage, his poor positioning throughout the game. All the tools but no tool box.

- Rielly said he didn't believe he'd be susceptible to sophomore slump but so far this season, he has indeed taken a step back. A lot more turnovers than what he showed in the 2nd half last season, showing a lot of the mistakes he showed in the 1st half of last season when he first joined the NHL.

- Faceoff .. Bozak was 44% at the dot and Kadri was even worse, winning only 3 of 14 faceoffs he took all night. Detroit OWNED us at the dot.

- PP ... our PP looks as bad as I've ever seen any team in entering the zone, and we're spending ~ 2/3 of the PP time outside of the offensive zone (by my estimation) because of our poor entry.


The Ugly
- Why did I get a feeling Zetterberg's line got to play against either Kadri's line, which he owned all night in the Friday game, or our 4th line?? Where's the coaching to try to get away from such lopesided matchup?

- Following a pathetic 40+ SA performance on Friday, the buds showed a much better effort in possession and defensive zone coverage ... but we still showed way too much confusion in defensive zone coverage and thus far I don't see how our defensive system is ANY different than last year's.

- Frattin. So much about the "Frattin take 2" experiment. Despite only playing 2:54 in last night's game, I still noticed him - in a bad way. I'd much rather Bodie get that 5 min of 4th line TOI than Frattin ... at least he'll try to make a few hits.

MindzEye
10-19-2014, 04:30 PM
Yeah...I'd like to say that if this is the "real" Clarkson, he's not a colossal waste of money. He's overpaid, by about a mill and a half or so, and the term is still gross, but he's at least earning a lot of his money this season so far.

Pronger84
10-19-2014, 05:24 PM
Hardly. I've wanted Bozak off that top line for a long time and he's the weak link up there. Plus, the stats have shown that he's a liability when not getting propped up by Phil. They need to replace him.

"If these two things don't happen, the Leafs have almost no hope of reaching his meager goal." is an over-reaction, considering the Leafs made the playoffs in 12/13 and would have made them last year had they not lost 12 of their 1gt4 games, both seasons hadthose 2 players in the lineups... lets not act like there's no hope of making the playoffs with them in the lineuo.

That being said, I want Bozak and Franson gone as well.. and I think in time both are gone.

Leafyblue
10-19-2014, 05:27 PM
It will be interesting to see if he plays the same way with the shield off. It must give you a bit bigger stones to go to the net and the corners.

Bleedsblue&white
10-19-2014, 05:50 PM
The shield off might help with his puck handling though.

JackBurton
10-19-2014, 05:51 PM
It will be interesting to see if he plays the same way with the shield off. It must give you a bit bigger stones to go to the net and the corners.
He's claiming he can't see very well with it. He might score more.