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zeke
10-25-2014, 03:08 PM
http://i.imgur.com/mYlGWo7.gif

(Gif Stolen from HF Game Thread)



I'm using Zone-Adjusted 5v5 corsi CLOSE for percentage here for now. It IS adjusted for zone starts and for score effects, but is NOT adjusted for quality of competition or quality of teammate.


Line 1

C T.Bozak (28): 7gms, 3gls, 7pts, 43.6cf%, 18:44 (82gms, 35gls, 82pts) ---- 53.2fo%
C D.Krejci (28): 6gms, 2gls, 7pts, 53.6cf%, 18:52 (82gms, 27gls, 96pts) ---- 56.2fo%

W P.Kessel (27): 7gms, 4gls, 8pts, 44.1cf%, 19:24 (82gms, 47gls, 94pts)
W M.Lucic (26): 9gms, 1gls, 6pts, 51.9cf%, 16:15 (82gms, 9gls, 55pts)

W J.Vanriemsdyk (25): 7gms, 3gls, 5pts, 46.2cf%, 19:21 (82gms, 35gls, 59pts)
W S.Griffith (22): 5gms, 1gls, 2pts, 52.5cf%, 14:29 (82gms, 16gls, 33pts)

Line 2

C N.Kadri (24): 7gms, 2gls, 2pts, 61.8cf%, 16:20 (82gms, 23gls, 23pts) ---- 48.0fo%
C P.Bergeron (29): 9gms, 1gls, 4pts, 52.3cf%, 16:26 (82gms, 9gls, 36pts) ---- 61.0fo%

W J.Lupul (31): 7gms, 2gls, 3pts, 63.7cf%, 18:08 (82gms, 23gls, 35pts)
W B.Marchand (26): 9gms, 1gls, 3pts, 51.4cf%, 16:00 (82gms, 9gls, 27pts)

W D.Winnik (29): 7gms, 0gls, 2pts, 66.3cf%, 16:03 (82gms, 0gls, 23pts)
W R.Smith (22): 9gms, 2gls, 3pts, 54.9cf%, 15:18 (82gms, 18gls, 27pts)

Line 3

C M.Santorelli (29): 7gms, 1gls, 4pts, 53.3cf%, 12:35 (82gms, 12gls, 47pts) ---- 41.3fo%
C C.Soderberg (29): 9gms, 2gls, 6pts, 59.5cf%, 16:13 (82gms, 18gls, 55pts) ---- 37.0fo%

W L.Komarov (27): 7gms, 0gls, 5pts, 53.3cf%, 15:20 (82gms, 0gls, 59pts)
W C.Kelly (34): 9gms, 2gls, 7pts, 60.2cf%, 15:58 (82gms, 18gls, 64pts)

W D.Clarkson (30): 7gms, 2gls, 3pts, 52.6cf%, 15:18 (82gms, 23gls, 35pts)
W L.Eriksson (29): 9gms, 2gls, 5pts, 59.4cf%, 17:57 (82gms, 18gls, 45pts)

Line 4

C P.Holland (23): 7gms, 0gls, 1pts, 6sh, 47.1cf%, 8:49 (82gms, 0gls, 12pts) ---- 45.3fo%
C G.Campbell (31): 4gms, 1gls, 1pts, 55.2cf%, 11:27 (82gms, 21gls, 21pts) ---- 48.3fo%

W R.Panik (23): 6gms, 0gls, 0pts, 35.0cf%, 6:27 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts)
W D.Paille (30): 9gms, 0gls, 1pts, 50.0cf%, 11:30 (82gms, 0gls, 9pts)

W -------- (-): ---------
W S.Gagne (34): 5gms, 1gls, 1pts, 46.4cf%, 12:18 (82gms, 16gls, 16pts)



Pair 1

D D.Phaneuf (29): 7gms, 0gls, 3pts, 56.0cf%, 22:55 (82gms, 0gls, 35pts)
D D.Hamilton (21): 9gms, 1gls, 2pts, 56.2cf%, 21:39 (82gms, 9gls, 18pts)

D C.Franson (27): 5gms, 1gls, 2pts, 59.7cf%, 19:10 (82gms, 16gls, 33pts)
D D.Seidenberg (33): 9gms, 0gls, 0pts, 48.0cf%, 20:45 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts)

Pair 2

D S.Percy (21): 6gms, 0gls, 3pts, 49.2cf%, 19:34 (82gms, 0gls, 41pts)
D T.Krug (23): 9gms, 2gls, 5pts, 53.1cf%, 20:06 (82gms, 18gls, 45pts)

D R.Polak (28): 7gms, 1gls, 1pts, 52.7cf%, 20:30 (82gms, 12gls, 12pts)
D A.McQuaid (28): 9gms, 0gls, 1pts, 57.3cf%, 19:31 (82gms, 0gls, 9pts)

Pair 3

D M.Rielly (20): 7gms, 1gls, 2pts, 52.5cf%, 18:37 (82gms, 12gls, 23pts)
D M.Bartkowski (26): 3gms, 0gls, 0pts, 46.7cf%, 18:31 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts)

D J.Gardiner (24): 5gms, 0gls, 1pts, 47.3cf%, 20:28 (82gms, 0gls, 16pts)
D Z.Trotman (24): 0gms, 0gls, 0pts, 00.0cf%, 00:00 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts)

D S.Robidas (37): 6gms, 0gls, 2pts, 44.8cf%, 16:58 (82gms, 0gls, 27pts)
D ------------- (--): ------



Starting Goalies

G J.Bernier (26): 5gms, .915sv%
G T.Rask (27): 6gms, .880sv%

Backup Goalies

G J.Reimer (26): 3gms, .906sv%
G N.Svedberg (25): 4gms, .951sv%



Injured/Suspended

W B.Kozun (24): 5gms, 0gls, 1pts, 32.3cf%, 8:54 (82gms, 0gls, 16pts)
W D.Booth (30): -----

D Z.Chara (37): 9gms, 2gls, 3pts, 56.8cf%, 21:41 (82gms, 18gls, 27pts)
D K.Miller (26): 6gms, 0gls, 0pts, 51.4cf%, 14:35 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts)

Habspatrol
10-25-2014, 03:23 PM
http://i.imgur.com/mYlGWo7.gif


Hahahahaahahaha That's amazing.

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 03:30 PM
our face off percentages are awful.

Wayward DP
10-25-2014, 04:06 PM
Komarov takes a lot of draws for Santorelli so his number is a bit misleading. Winnik has been taking some draws too, and Holland doesn't take very many. Would be nice to see Kadri inch up over 50%, but I'm not too concerned yet, still very early.

That Boston D without Chara is pretty awful. Gotta get two points tonight.

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 05:30 PM
Tonight might be a night where we wish we had a McLaren or Orr in the lineup to keep some of the Bruins scum at bay.

Bleedsblue&white
10-25-2014, 05:44 PM
Zeke,
I've seen the rules over at HF...they're coming for you.

Bleedsblue&white
10-25-2014, 05:47 PM
A bit of blood and the promise of your eldest son's first ten years of labour is all you need to start a GDT, imagine what they require for a gif?







I am looking forward to seeing if Kessel can soar with the vulture tonight. We need a win at home too.

zeke
10-25-2014, 05:49 PM
Zeke,
I've seen the rules over at HF...they're coming for you.

did they change them?

i just got a PM threat of a perma ban.

Wayward DP
10-25-2014, 05:54 PM
did they change them?

i just got a PM threat of a perma ban.

caused by? You're a lot of things, stubborn, obstinate, steadfastly devoted to (twisting) the numbers, but I don't think I've ever seen you do much in the way of profanity or personal attacks...probably the most impressive part of your persona really.

zeke
10-25-2014, 05:59 PM
I think I said that one of the mods must be 8yrs old because of the idiocy of his +/- posts, and now it seems he has a vendetta against me.

its too bad, because those boards actually used to be good until they chased away a whole whack of good posters with their modding. Now I'm getting threats from one of the Big Mods. I expect I'll be banned shortly.

BeLeafer
10-25-2014, 06:02 PM
The modding over there is quite ridiculous.

rated
10-25-2014, 06:04 PM
Tonight might be a night where we wish we had a McLaren or Orr in the lineup to keep some of the Bruins scum at bay.

Not when they don't fight and only play 4-5 minutes a game

Wayward DP
10-25-2014, 06:06 PM
I think I said that one of the mods must be 8yrs old because of the idiocy of his +/- posts, and now it seems he has a vendetta against me.

its too bad, because those boards actually used to be good until they chased away a whole whack of good posters with their modding. Now I'm getting threats from one of the Big Mods. I expect I'll be banned shortly.

heh, sounds about par for the course there. Makes me really appreciate the moderation around here though.

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 06:35 PM
Not when they don't fight and only play 4-5 minutes a game

I hope we don't see any nonsense tonight with Lucic or Marchand. One of these boneheads runs Bernier or Kessel, and then what?

Makes me miss Darcy Tucker.

TimHorton
10-25-2014, 06:41 PM
They would run Kessel or Bernier even with Colton Orr sitting on the bench. Then Orr would take a stupid penalty and they'd score on top of it.

BeLeafer
10-25-2014, 06:45 PM
Yep.

pfft, not worried about the Bruins. That rat Marchand though needs to be seriously filled in.

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 06:49 PM
I'd take that rat on this team. This team needs more skilled rats. Komarov and Kadri are a good start. Give me more of those types.

Hoss
10-25-2014, 07:01 PM
Watching HNIC... I think Chris Phillips broke the hockey player record for saying "uhhh" sweet jeebus.

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 07:08 PM
Watching HNIC... I think Chris Phillips broke the hockey player record for saying "uhhh" sweet jeebus.

LOL. I was thinking that. Holy smokes. Well uhhh, you know uhhh, it was uhhh uhhh very emotional uhhh time for all of us uhhh, just uhhh watching uhhh the news uhhh.

Dummy.

Bleedsblue&white
10-25-2014, 07:14 PM
did they change them?

i just got a PM threat of a perma ban.

I was kidding too.

Feyd
10-25-2014, 07:23 PM
Clarkson just owned McQuaid

TimHorton
10-25-2014, 07:23 PM
David Clarkson hockey player is something I'm not used to. That is not a penalty btw.

BeLeafer
10-25-2014, 07:24 PM
2 minutes for hitting.

Welcome to ice dancing.

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 07:25 PM
F*CK.

SundinsTooth
10-25-2014, 07:25 PM
You gotta count on a goal when the refs call shit like that. ****ing turrible call.

CRL
10-25-2014, 07:26 PM
if you don't score you got scored on

Kritter
10-25-2014, 07:26 PM
2 fans and a goal... So leafy.

CRL
10-25-2014, 07:30 PM
team is not ready to play today, no points today

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 07:31 PM
Those passes through the crease.........wtf are they thinking?

TimHorton
10-25-2014, 07:32 PM
Goal aside we've played well here so far.

da_next_kid
10-25-2014, 07:33 PM
We are playing well, Kadri's line is looking dangerous.

CRL
10-25-2014, 07:33 PM
Goal aside we've played well here so far.

huh?

TimHorton
10-25-2014, 07:34 PM
The Leafs have had the better chances and matched Boston physically. Shitty goal aside, on a questionable penalty to boot, we've played well.

da_next_kid
10-25-2014, 07:39 PM
Holy **** talk about something else, Chara, chara, chara. Jim Hughson is terrible. just ****ing terrible.

TimHorton
10-25-2014, 07:45 PM
That's a dumb dumb penalty.

Hoss
10-25-2014, 07:45 PM
Wow, the refs have decided that whatever Clarkson does today will be a penalty.. FFS

BeLeafer
10-25-2014, 07:46 PM
Boston holding the stick ... 2 minutes for Clarkson.

CRL
10-25-2014, 07:48 PM
Bozak needs to sit for few games

TimHorton
10-25-2014, 07:50 PM
Bozak needs to sit for few games

He has been brutal tonight.

BeLeafer
10-25-2014, 07:52 PM
That first line is still a defensive abortion.

2nd and 3rd lines are strong. Kadri is due to explode offensively.

SundinsTooth
10-25-2014, 07:54 PM
Boy it's great to listen to these momo's fellate the bruins constantly.

TimHorton
10-25-2014, 07:56 PM
With a little luck that 2nd line could have 3 goals already.

CRL
10-25-2014, 07:57 PM
With a little luck that 2nd line could have 3 goals already.

we used that all vs NYI

SundinsTooth
10-25-2014, 07:57 PM
Too many turnovers. Too much time running around in our own end. That first line has to get going here.

Rask hasn't really faced any tough shots so its hard to say how things will turn out.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-25-2014, 08:22 PM
Randy has to break up the first and second lines.

leaffan2005
10-25-2014, 08:25 PM
Leafs in fine form again tonight.

MindzEye
10-25-2014, 08:28 PM
So uhhh...how is that hit by Lucic on Polak any different than the Clarkson hit that was called a penalty in the 1st? Both were shoulder to shoulder hits that drove the defender shoulder first into the boards...

MindzEye
10-25-2014, 08:29 PM
Leafs in fine form again tonight.

If this is sarcasm, it's misplaced. They're controlling play against the Bruins just haven't been able to crack the interior of their defence much. The Bruins only real chance was a goofy, bouncy goal that went in after 2-3 people swiped at it and missed....while on an undeserved PP.

SundinsTooth
10-25-2014, 08:30 PM
We really need to stop the turnovers. It's epidemic out there tonight.

SundinsTooth
10-25-2014, 08:31 PM
If this is sarcasm, it's misplaced. They're controlling play against the Bruins just haven't been able to crack the interior of their defence much. The Bruins only real chance was a goofy, bouncy goal that went in after 2-3 people swiped at it and missed....while on an undeserved PP.

Yeah we got this if we just start clicking.

SundinsTooth
10-25-2014, 08:32 PM
Nice couple of turnovers of our own now....sweet.

MindzEye
10-25-2014, 08:35 PM
Randy has to break up the first and second lines.

We're back to our break outs being typified by a defender having to out skate the forecheck with zero puck support.....

Healy is usually a clown, but he's spot on with his analysis on this one. Winger are on the wrong side of the red line, and standing still while the defenders are forced to turn back over and over, or to try to force a play through a tight, Bruin controlled neutral zone. Every time we enter the Bruin zone with speed, we look dangerous. We're just not doing it enough.

MindzEye
10-25-2014, 08:37 PM
We really need to stop the turnovers. It's epidemic out there tonight.

Bruins are trapping, and we're letting them. Short passes to puck support and moving through the neutral zone as a unit is how you break the trap, using speed to draw the weak side forward and reversing against the flow of the trap. We're skating right into it.

Surely Randy will notice this and make the right adjustment though.

BeLeafer
10-25-2014, 08:44 PM
These announcers are just intolerable. I usually don't tune in via cbc ... just an incredible annoyance.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-25-2014, 08:45 PM
**** this team

leaffan2005
10-25-2014, 08:45 PM
If this is sarcasm, it's misplaced. They're controlling play against the Bruins just haven't been able to crack the interior of their defence much. The Bruins only real chance was a goofy, bouncy goal that went in after 2-3 people swiped at it and missed....while on an undeserved PP.

Have we even had a scoring chance in this period? Too many turnovers, can't complete a pass and no energy at all to try and penetrate the zone.

And....another goal.

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 08:45 PM
THis is the leafs playing well? what game are you watching?

Our team defense is garbage.

TimHorton
10-25-2014, 08:45 PM
That's horrific.

SundinsTooth
10-25-2014, 08:46 PM
Yeah that should do it for tonight. Trap isn't making for very exciting hockey tonight.

leaffan2005
10-25-2014, 08:46 PM
Mentally one of the weakest Leafs teams I have ever watched. I mean we have been shitty before but there was usually some kind of passion.

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 08:46 PM
Phaneuf puck watching. F*cking bum.

JackBurton
10-25-2014, 08:47 PM
Phaneuf has been shit since last season.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-25-2014, 08:47 PM
Kessel and Dion playing butter soft. Alfie would have been proud of Phil on that one.

These are our so called top players.

JackBurton
10-25-2014, 08:49 PM
Dion for 7 years @ 7 million? Jesus.

What "Advanced" stats will we use to tell us he's a top D-Man?

Since signing that contract he's been awful. And I defended him a lot the last few years.

Killer93
10-25-2014, 08:50 PM
Yep Phaneuf HAS to be better. He was WAY to soft on that play

leaffan2005
10-25-2014, 08:52 PM
All a bunch of losers. Every single one of them, not just Phaneuf.

CRL
10-25-2014, 08:52 PM
Yep Phaneuf HAS to be better. He was WAY to soft on that play

soft?! he didn't do shit
Question is - will we score a goal tonite?

JackBurton
10-25-2014, 08:52 PM
The coach has to be fired. They're not even trying. That's the only answer at this point.

JackBurton
10-25-2014, 08:53 PM
Dion is dumb, soft, bad defensively and lacks mobility from what I've seen.

MindzEye
10-25-2014, 08:53 PM
The coach has to be fired. They're not even trying. That's the only answer at this point.

+1

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-25-2014, 08:53 PM
Boo'ed off the ice again. This is going to get ugly.

Anyone tell Kadri that its a contract year?

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 08:54 PM
That is not the only answer. Get rid of the soft losers on this team.

JackBurton
10-25-2014, 08:55 PM
That is not the only answer. Get rid of the soft losers on this team.

Yeah but you can't trade everyone.

Matrim
10-25-2014, 08:55 PM
This leaf team is talented but isn't very smart, which is why they need a coach that can bring in a structured system, because its clear Carlyle doesn't have one.

Leafyblue
10-25-2014, 08:56 PM
Rask better not get one of those "things that shall not be named" tonight.

BeLeafer
10-25-2014, 08:56 PM
huh, I thought they had some nice energy shifts after that second goal.

Phaneuf ... just not a very smart player. It trickles down from there.

JackBurton
10-25-2014, 08:57 PM
It's a joke they've been on the level of Buffalo since the last quarter of last season. Look at their talent.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-25-2014, 09:02 PM
It's a joke they've been on the level of Buffalo since the last quarter of last season. Look at their talent.

Geez, how embarrassing.

JackBurton
10-25-2014, 09:03 PM
Maybe they can tank for Mcdavid.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-25-2014, 09:03 PM
It's also quite clear SN is ****ing up Hockey coverage.

JackBurton
10-25-2014, 09:06 PM
A lot of my friends love Strombo. Not sure why. Poor Ron Mclean barely speaks now.

Feyd
10-25-2014, 09:14 PM
Disgusting.

Killer93
10-25-2014, 09:15 PM
Typical home performance; what a joke

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 09:15 PM
Excellent! Beauty!

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 09:15 PM
F*CKING BUMS

Matrim
10-25-2014, 09:15 PM
That was brutal, gardiner and phaneuf just awful there

MindzEye
10-25-2014, 09:15 PM
It might be time to trade Gardiner. He's absolutely pussified on the puck. That was embarrassing.

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 09:15 PM
Phaneuf has gotta go. What a loser.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-25-2014, 09:16 PM
It is clear that Randy has ruined Gardiner here.

Dion is a pussy.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-25-2014, 09:17 PM
Bloody losers, everyone of them.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-25-2014, 09:17 PM
4-0

Love it!

Feyd
10-25-2014, 09:17 PM
Gardiner is ****ing awful tonight. WOW.

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 09:17 PM
How are we so garbage defensively. There is no way these goals tonight are the coaches fault.

Matrim
10-25-2014, 09:18 PM
Wow Gardiner again

JackBurton
10-25-2014, 09:18 PM
What a lazy team. Pathetic.

ForeverTML
10-25-2014, 09:19 PM
Gardiner has been utter shit for a while now. He really has forgotten how to play hockey

Leafyblue
10-25-2014, 09:20 PM
I don't suppose we can play 82 away games eh?

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 09:21 PM
It is clear that Randy has ruined Gardiner here.

Dion is a pussy.

Ruined nothing, the guy has no brain. Our defensive IQ is zero. These goals tonight have nothing to do with the coach or the goalie. Where the f*ck are the players? Puck watching, holding the stick with one hand.

CRL
10-25-2014, 09:22 PM
We have 7 more years of tanking/sucking until Dion retires

TimHorton
10-25-2014, 09:22 PM
That is SOME penalty call.

CRL
10-25-2014, 09:23 PM
Gardiner has been utter shit for a while now. He really has forgotten how to play hockey

He is following coaches guidelines

MindzEye
10-25-2014, 09:24 PM
We have 7 more years of tanking/sucking until Dion retires

Never thought of it that way....

Only thing that makes sense now would be for you to go kill yourself, right?

ForeverTML
10-25-2014, 09:25 PM
The whole team litterally just stands there. With or without the puck. They have no idea whats going on.

No emotion, no hits. Nothing. Utterly nothing.

Hoss
10-25-2014, 09:25 PM
Staal for Phaneuf and Leivo. Yes please.

CRL
10-25-2014, 09:26 PM
Never thought of it that way....

Only thing that makes sense now would be for you to go kill yourself, right?

I dont care, they can suck for 20 more yeArs

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 09:26 PM
This is embarrassing. The compete level is laughable.

Our wins this season have been against teams that are equally inconsistent as the Leafs, save for Lundqvist having an off night. Every other game against quality opponents, this is whats happened. Our offense has been quiet, and our defense has been atrocious.

This is our core. Signed in for the next decade. LAUGH OUT LOUD.

MindzEye
10-25-2014, 09:26 PM
I was a bit emotional in reacting to the first Gardiner shitfest earlier in this period, but in all honestly, I don't think I would trade anyone until I punted Randy and saw what everyone looked like with a new coach on house.

Carlyle is definitely a problem. A lot of good coaches have made a lot of dumb players, look really smart.

Hoss
10-25-2014, 09:26 PM
I am of the mind as well that Carlyle has to go.. give the job to the Assistant coaches. FFS. Then back a brinks truck to Babcock and done.

Feyd
10-25-2014, 09:27 PM
Carlyle should have been fired in the summer for last season's collapse. He's already deep into borrowed time.

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 09:28 PM
Never thought of it that way....

Only thing that makes sense now would be for you to go kill yourself, right?

What a garbage response.

Team is sucking the bag. I hope the entire ACC throws their Jerseys on the ice to show how garbage the effort was.

Embarrassing game.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-25-2014, 09:29 PM
What a garbage response.

Team is sucking the bag. I hope the entire ACC throws their Jerseys on the ice to show how garbage the effort was.

Embarrassing game.

ME thought the Leafs were playing well up until the 3rd.

ForeverTML
10-25-2014, 09:29 PM
wow. 2nd to the loose puck, almost 100 percent of the time. They dont care. Its both the players and the coach. Its all a pile of crap.

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 09:30 PM
ME thought the Leafs were playing well up until the 3rd.

They haven't played well for a second this game. Garbage effort.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-25-2014, 09:31 PM
They haven't played well for a second this game. Garbage effort.

I know, I am saying that M.E. as in Mindzeye thought they were playing well.

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 09:32 PM
Carlyle has plenty to be blamed for. This loss is not one of them. Where is the effort? This team is getting bullied.

Not moving your legs and giveaway are not the coaches fault.

Healy is correct, where are the leaders of this team?

GEEMAN
10-25-2014, 09:32 PM
Ruined nothing, the guy has no brain. Our defensive IQ is zero. These goals tonight have nothing to do with the coach or the goalie. Where the f*ck are the players? Puck watching, holding the stick with one hand.

Bang on he simply has poor defensive skills it was his problem in College and Anaheim wasn't going to hand you a top pairing guy for nothing. Like Dion he is overrated

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 09:34 PM
I know, I am saying that M.E. as in Mindzeye thought they were playing well.

I got that. I was more saying how i'm not sure what game Mindz has been watching. This has been awful from the start.

MindzEye
10-25-2014, 09:36 PM
ME thought the Leafs were playing well up until the 3rd.

You mean back when the only 5 on 5 goal was a stupid pinch by Franson...

Yeah, the possession battle was more or less even and neither team had many good chances. There's no reason to be mad about that. Since then, sure, be as mad as you want at 2 lazy, horrific plays ending up in the back of our net.

This game was pretty evenly played until the Franson pinch.

Leafyblue
10-25-2014, 09:36 PM
Lifting a stick into your own face is a penalty.

Feyd
10-25-2014, 09:36 PM
Lifting a stick into your own face is a penalty.
It doesn't even matter anymore.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-25-2014, 09:38 PM
The Leafs made need some armed guards to make it out of the arena tonight.

CRL
10-25-2014, 09:39 PM
They haven't played well for a second this game. Garbage effort.

if you ask me I say - game after game team is coming on the ice unprepared and with no clear game plan, playing same game after game, it is like Randy find out who's we playing just on the bench, have you ever seen this team changing flow during the game? Same shit what we seen with Wilson, it is like management have no idea what game of hockey is.
And why this team start playing when game is out of the reach?

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-25-2014, 09:39 PM
Nice to see Kadri try and show some effort when its over.

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 09:39 PM
Panik in Toronto. Fitting for this thread.

TimHorton
10-25-2014, 09:39 PM
At least they didn't get blanked! I wonder who's name is on the Jersey that gets chucked on the ice tonight?

MindzEye
10-25-2014, 09:42 PM
I got that. I was more saying how i'm not sure what game Mindz has been watching. This has been awful from the start.

It's like you people don't know what trap hockey looks like. The Bruins were trapping their asses off for the first two periods. Possession battle was pretty even and the difference in the game was a goofy PP call that ended up in our net off a few bounces.

If you want to conflate that with what happened after, have at it, but we didn't play a bad first 30 minutes at all. Boring, because of the Bruin trap, but not bad. Not nearly the type of play to justify the amount of bitch tears there was in the thread.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-25-2014, 09:42 PM
Shame it takes 53 minutes of being out worked and out classed in every way before they finally show a little bit of emotion. Pathetic.

Habsy
10-25-2014, 09:44 PM
Bad night?

CRL
10-25-2014, 09:44 PM
Shame it takes 53 minutes of being out worked and out classed in every way before they finally show a little bit of emotion. Pathetic.

well now we can't blame them for no effort

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-25-2014, 09:44 PM
Bad night?

Just your average night being a Laugh fan.

CRL
10-25-2014, 09:44 PM
Bad night?


team decided to take nite off

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 09:44 PM
if you ask me I say - game after game team is coming on the ice unprepared and with no clear game plan, playing same game after game, it is like Randy find out who's we playing just on the bench, have you ever seen this team changing flow during the game? Same shit what we seen with Wilson, it is like management have no idea what game of hockey is.
And why this team start playing when game is out of the reach?

Believe me when i say that Carlyle is to blame for a lot of the garbage that we see. Tonight is not all his fault. Its sad to see that we finally start to play after being down 0-4. Our defense is a group of pylons. Our forwards don't even understand the term "defense".

The problem with this team is that our apparent leaders are a group of boys. They do not play the game like hardened veteran men. They are weak mentally. The going gets tough, where are they?

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-25-2014, 09:45 PM
Dion is the worst.

CRL
10-25-2014, 09:47 PM
Believe me when i say that Carlyle is to blame for a lot of the garbage that we see. Tonight is not all his fault. Its sad to see that we finally start to play after being down 0-4. Our defense is a group of pylons. Our forwards don't even understand the term "defense".

The problem with this team is that our apparent leaders are a group of boys. They do not play the game like hardened veteran men. They are weak mentally. The going gets tough, where are they?
so what is it? lack of leadership? lack of motivation?

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 09:48 PM
It's like you people don't know what trap hockey looks like. The Bruins were trapping their asses off for the first two periods. Possession battle was pretty even and the difference in the game was a goofy PP call that ended up in our net off a few bounces.

If you want to conflate that with what happened after, have at it, but we didn't play a bad first 30 minutes at all. Boring, because of the Bruin trap, but not bad. Not nearly the type of play to justify the amount of bitch tears there was in the thread.

No bitch tears. It's just garbage when you care more as a fan, than they care as players. I guess thats on me though. I want this team to be good so bad its sickening.

I can give a shit about the individual players on this team.

Leafin'
10-25-2014, 09:50 PM
Our leaders are wimps. If we had 20 Clarksons we'd be a better team than what we have now. That guy gives a shit atleast, can't say the same about the other guys.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-25-2014, 09:51 PM
Since the last 14 games of last year, the Leafs are 5-16-1

#nothinghaschanged

Habsy
10-25-2014, 09:52 PM
team decided to take nite off
Hate those nights. I feel for you. When you know your team is better than the effort put forth.

MindzEye
10-25-2014, 09:54 PM
No bitch tears. It's just garbage when you care more as a fan, than they care as players. I guess thats on me though. I want this team to be good so bad its sickening.

I can give a shit about the individual players on this team.

Meh, there was a whole lot of crying on here when the game was 1-0, possession was dead even and the Leafs were having a tough time cracking the Bruins trap (I'd argue that this is where coaching is important, and I even made a crack about Randy surely noticing this with adjustments incoming). We're going to look really good against teams that let us skate and turn the neutral zone into a track meet. Where we've struggled in the past is in games like this where it's a war of attrition against well coached teams giving us fits getting through the neutral zone. What I saw in the first 30 minutes was a team grinding out possessions and starting to figure out how to crack the Bruins trap (at one point in the middle of the 2nd, we had 3-4 shifts in a row that shredded the trap with skating and gained deep possession)....then boom, shitty pinch, shitty weak defensive play, we're down 2-0 and boom...mentally done, the wheels fall off.

I agree that this team has been very mentally weak, but anyone complaining about the first 30 minutes just doesn't understand what they're looking at. You're not going to look like a ****ing all star team against a veteran group trapping their ass off.

Pronger84
10-25-2014, 09:58 PM
Hate those nights. I feel for you. When you know your team is better than the effort put forth.

To me its not even that the Leafs lost, its HOW they lost the game, It was a disgusting all-around effort from this team tonight, on a night against a rival team, on their home soil and after just honoring the two fallsen soldiers this team comes out with a puke worthy effort from top to bottom.

Pretty much all game save for the 2nd half of the 3rd period the forwards were standing aroound cheating and not moving their legs which caused a lot of turnovers, not to mention all the puck battles they lost in the rorners and just lackustre offense when they did get the puck.

This IS the same core that chokes bad when it matters the most, and I really think its time to look at moving out some key pieces both upfront and on the blueline... I'm not saying tank but its time to cut our losses with this core, realize they will never step up and do anything good, move them for some assets and fix this team the right way.

Wayward DP
10-25-2014, 10:02 PM
Jeez, it's like when the Leafs are losing half the members of this board lose the ability to pay attention to what they're seeing. ME is right, the Leafs put in a good showing before the Krejci goal and even most of the way through the first two periods. Aside from fluky goal #1 and a dumbo Franson pinch, the game was very, very even. The Leafs were doing a better job breaking through the Bruins trap. Then Gardiner's brainfarts happened and they packed it in during the third, which is definitely troubling.

CRL
10-25-2014, 10:03 PM
To me its not even that the Leafs lost, its HOW they lost the game, It was a disgusting all-around effort from this team tonight, on a night against a rival team, on their home soil and after just honoring the two fallsen soldiers this team comes out with a puke worthy effort from top to bottom.

Pretty much all game save for the 2nd half of the 3rd period the forwards were standing aroound cheating and not moving their legs which caused a lot of turnovers, not to mention all the puck battles they lost in the rorners and just lackustre offense when they did get the puck.

This IS the same core that chokes bad when it matters the most, and I really think its time to look at moving out some key pieces both upfront and on the blueline... I'm not saying tank but its time to cut our losses with this core, realize they will never step up and do anything good, move them for some assets and fix this team the right way.

we had that chance but Nonis decided go different path

ForeverTML
10-25-2014, 10:14 PM
Chris Johnston @reporterchris 14m 14 minutes ago
It's more than 10 minutes after that #leafs loss and the dressing room is still closed.

MindzEye
10-25-2014, 10:18 PM
Chris Johnston @reporterchris 14m 14 minutes ago
It's more than 10 minutes after that #leafs loss and the dressing room is still closed.

Instead of yelling, perhaps Randy should consider adjusting in game strategies to more effectively combat a trapping club? It's bad enough that we came into this game with a break out format that doesn't work against the trap, we kept using it.

Volcanologist
10-25-2014, 10:19 PM
Missed this one, sounds like I didn't miss much.

ForeverTML
10-25-2014, 10:25 PM
David Alter ‏@dalter 14m14 minutes ago
Players held a meeting with themselves shortly after Carlyle delivered his post-game message. #leafs

CRL
10-25-2014, 10:26 PM
David Alter ‏@dalter 14m14 minutes ago
Players held a meeting with themselves shortly after Carlyle delivered his post-game message. #leafs

few hours too late, should have done it before the game

CRL
10-25-2014, 10:26 PM
Missed this one, sounds like I didn't miss much.

you the luckiest one

Habsy
10-25-2014, 10:29 PM
Not firing Carlyle has got to be one of the most baffling moves Toronto has made since the Ballard era. Truly baffling. The players have completely tuned him out and his attempts to regain their attention have been disastrous.

lecoqsportif
10-25-2014, 10:43 PM
No point in firing him until Babcock's contract expires. Also reduces the compensation, I imagine.

Volcanologist
10-25-2014, 10:47 PM
I think we've won around 5 of our last 20 games going back to last season.

Carlyle and Nonis should have been fired long ago.

Pronger84
10-25-2014, 11:11 PM
No point in firing him until Babcock's contract expires. Also reduces the compensation, I imagine.

Sorry but I gotta disagree here, there is many reasons for firing Carlyle! We shouldn't be waiting on a "what if" when it comes to Babcock, there is NO gurantee he signs here so we shouldn't be assuming he does, the Leafs need to fix things now not later.

They can always appoint Spott as interim coach if they fire Randy for the remainder of the season... if (big if) Babcock signs here then Spott goes back to being the assitant, if not he remains on BUT we can't put all our eggs in one basket where Babcock is concerned.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-25-2014, 11:32 PM
I think we've won around 5 of our last 20 games going back to last season.

Carlyle and Nonis should have been fired long ago.

5-16-1 since last year

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-26-2014, 12:13 AM
Jonas Siegel ‏@jonasTSN1050 6m6 minutes ago
Blasted by Randy Carlyle, the Leafs held a players only meeting after yet another blowout loss. http://www.tsn.ca/1.116226

I am sure Dion didn't call it.

wiseguy1
10-26-2014, 12:20 AM
Jonas Siegel ‏@jonasTSN1050 6m6 minutes ago
Blasted by Randy Carlyle, the Leafs held a players only meeting after yet another blowout loss. http://www.tsn.ca/1.116226

I am sure Dion didn't call it.

Maybe Gerry Dee called it , whispered it in the player's ears (see photo in the link)

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-26-2014, 01:04 AM
Who is Gerry Dee?

TheCountofMonteCristo
10-26-2014, 01:18 AM
Who is Gerry Dee?
Comedian

BeLeafer
10-26-2014, 02:36 AM
This team is just too soft. Soft in the head, soft hearts, and soft on the body.

Dare I say, they need some truculence!

That said, get Carlyle the **** out of this town. Outside of the 12-13 shortened season, they've sucked under is guidance. Get us a coach that has a clue, please!

Pronger84
10-26-2014, 04:55 AM
I think this is rock bottom for the leafs, losing tonight badly in front of a sold out crowd and emotional pregime ceremony is an all time low for the leafs... I expect some changes coming soon, I think carlyles leash just got a lot tighter after tonight's embarrassing loss.

Wayward DP
10-26-2014, 08:03 AM
I think this is rock bottom for the leafs, losing tonight badly in front of a sold out crowd and emotional pregime ceremony is an all time low for the leafs... I expect some changes coming soon, I think carlyles leash just got a lot tighter after tonight's embarrassing loss.

Your age really shows in posts like this

Pronger84
10-26-2014, 08:15 AM
Your age really shows in posts like this

Tell me something was any part of my post untrue... Do u have a legit rebuttal or would u rather bury your head in the sand when it comes to the leafs.

Wayward DP
10-26-2014, 08:28 AM
Well, for one, you don't reach "rock bottom" less than ten games into the season, when you're a game below .500

I look forward to you demonstrating how exactly I've buried my head in the sand though. Unless that was just another one of your throwaway cliches that you don't really have anything to substantiate.

hockeylover
10-26-2014, 09:24 AM
Missed this one, sounds like I didn't miss much.

+1.

leafman101
10-26-2014, 09:32 AM
Brutal game. This team still relies on Kessel way too much. Any time he has an off night the whole team shits the bed. Some one has to step up sometimes and share the load. Kadri, phaneuf, bernier, JVR...anyone. A team can't need it's best player to have a big night every game to win.

Killer93
10-26-2014, 09:36 AM
Have not been impressed with Kadri or Gardiner one bit

JackBurton
10-26-2014, 10:44 AM
The most disappointing thing is, this team has picked-up right where they left off. Sure, it's a "Small Sample Size" for the 2014-15' season, but it's really dating back farther than that. The sample size is pretty big when you look at the play since that collapse started.

And it was pathetic watching Carlyle's "System" against a trap team. Holy ****. How can we expect to make the playoffs with this shitshow?

If we want a shot at a top pick, leave that idiot as coach and give Babcock a blank cheque next summer.

TimHorton
10-26-2014, 10:55 AM
This team regardless of who coaches it will never be bad enough to get a top pick.

hockeylover
10-26-2014, 10:57 AM
Could potentially pick up another guy in around the spot we got Nylander in but I agree, this team is too good for a top pick. Of course, all the non-playoff teams get a shot at #1 this year...

JackBurton
10-26-2014, 10:59 AM
This team regardless of who coaches it will never be bad enough to get a top pick.

That's what I thought. But the fact is they are in top pick territory the last 30 games. They should not be anywhere close to Buffalo, but somehow are.

Chances are, if you do can Carlyle, A new coach gives you a 5+ game bump in performance and costs you a better pick.

LeafGm
10-26-2014, 11:14 AM
Carlyle's gotta go, but he's not the only problem. On paper, I still think we have the makings of a good team, but beyond what's on paper, there's something fundamentally rotten at the core of this group. It's the only explanation I can come up with for the way the team was dominated and outshot by a 2-1 margin night-in and night-out last year with no change or improvement, and also for the annual historic collapses that have been going on for three years now.

Bringing in new depth for the third and fourth lines is a good idea. Bringing in a couple of veteran mid/bottom pair defensemen is fine too. But at a certain point, we need to be finding new homes for some of our top-six forwards and top-3 defensemen, and bring in some fresh blood.

GEEMAN
10-26-2014, 12:31 PM
we had that chance but Nonis decided go different path

nope Burke had the chance 5 years ago to do it the right way , right now the Leafs could of had some of the top young talent to move forward. Problem is the lockout gave the Leafs a false sense of hope , a bit of success then they kept this team intact and overpaying the wrong guys . Chances are they would of missed the playoffs that year in a full year and the direction may have been changed. There was no way Nonnis or any other GM would of gutted the lineup when you came within 10 minutes of knocking off Boston and telling your fans Dion and Phil arent coming back.

Now you have big money tied to decent assets but the wrong core capable of winning anything.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-26-2014, 12:35 PM
Percy to the Marlies

blacksheep
10-26-2014, 12:47 PM
Jonas Siegel ‏@jonasTSN1050 6m6 minutes ago
Blasted by Randy Carlyle, the Leafs held a players only meeting after yet another blowout loss. http://www.tsn.ca/1.116226

I am sure Dion didn't call it.

That's probably true, and is the most troubling aspect of this team, beyond the fact that it's coach can't change, and the lineup is full of holes.
Double Dion is no leader. He's a top line defender, but not a leader.

blacksheep
10-26-2014, 12:52 PM
Not firing Carlyle has got to be one of the most baffling moves Toronto has made since the Ballard era. Truly baffling. The players have completely tuned him out and his attempts to regain their attention have been disastrous.

And the ONLY justification for it is the possibility that Shanny has convinced Babcock to come here this summer. If, and only if, that's a certainty, then holding on to Carlyle as a lame duck in the interim makes sense.
Otherwise, this team is all about making just enough improvements to convince us lemmings to keep buying in.

Leafin'
10-26-2014, 01:00 PM
Percy to the Marlies

That is hilarious. They just took away the option of Carlyle running 7 defenseman. Good. Get him away from this shitshow before it ruins him.

blacksheep
10-26-2014, 01:01 PM
What I saw in the first 30 minutes was a team grinding out possessions and starting to figure out how to crack the Bruins trap (at one point in the middle of the 2nd, we had 3-4 shifts in a row that shredded the trap with skating and gained deep possession)....then boom, shitty pinch, shitty weak defensive play, we're down 2-0 and boom...mentally done, the wheels fall off.

I agree that this team has been very mentally weak, but anyone complaining about the first 30 minutes just doesn't understand what they're looking at. You're not going to look like a ****ing all star team against a veteran group trapping their ass off.

Obviously this mental weakness is not something we can pin on one individual, but there is a group that would be charged with this task on any team, starting at the top with the head coach. Carlyle has not been able to instil the confidence in his players that they need to be mentally strong enough to fight a game like this. Double Dion sucks as a captain. We had a very young team over the last couple seasons, and while some vets have been sprinkled in here and there, we still have a team comprised mostly of kids. Carlyle pins his hopes on key individuals far too much. He expects Franson to anchor the blueline like a boss, but yet again, Franson flubs and it counts against us. Krejci's goal was kinda soft, let's be honest. Bernier should have had that one. But the manner in which the team crumbled right after that goal is the stuff of legends. Someday, this organization will become the blueprint manual on how NOT to manage a team in the NHL. It's already a frontrunner in that category.

BeLeafer
10-26-2014, 01:20 PM
That is hilarious. They just took away the option of Carlyle running 7 defenseman. Good. Get him away from this shitshow before it ruins him.

I suspect that is the case. They are forcing the dummy to ice his fourth line. And, yes, he seems to be incredibly bad for high skilled young guys coming into the league.

Hopefully, this is a signal that they are about to can his ass.

BeLeafer
10-26-2014, 01:23 PM
Carlyle's gotta go, but he's not the only problem. On paper, I still think we have the makings of a good team, but beyond what's on paper, there's something fundamentally rotten at the core of this group. It's the only explanation I can come up with for the way the team was dominated and outshot by a 2-1 margin night-in and night-out last year with no change or improvement, and also for the annual historic collapses that have been going on for three years now.

Bringing in new depth for the third and fourth lines is a good idea. Bringing in a couple of veteran mid/bottom pair defensemen is fine too. But at a certain point, we need to be finding new homes for some of our top-six forwards and top-3 defensemen, and bring in some fresh blood.

Agreed almost across the board. Get a new coach and have that coach remove the C from Dion's jersey. It was a stupid move by Burke to name him the captain. Problem, of course, is I can't see anyone on the current roster to fit the C.

PKForce81
10-26-2014, 02:59 PM
Carlyle's gotta go, but he's not the only problem. On paper, I still think we have the makings of a good team, but beyond what's on paper, there's something fundamentally rotten at the core of this group. It's the only explanation I can come up with for the way the team was dominated and outshot by a 2-1 margin night-in and night-out last year with no change or improvement, and also for the annual historic collapses that have been going on for three years now.

Bringing in new depth for the third and fourth lines is a good idea. Bringing in a couple of veteran mid/bottom pair defensemen is fine too. But at a certain point, we need to be finding new homes for some of our top-six forwards and top-3 defensemen, and bring in some fresh blood.

Yep. Been saying this for awhile. I gave up after first period yesterday and it's mostly because the pattern is exactly the same every time. We simply don't have enough on our top 6 to play the way a good team needs to. I barely feel like watching games any longer because of this shit. We finally have our goalies not ruining it(for most part) and we have some decent options on the bottom 6, but the top 6 just isn't good enough when it comes to their overall play(compete level, defensive work etc)...and yea Carlyle needs to be changed too but i gotta warn those who think this team will be better without any other changes...It simply won't work if those top 6 stay the same(this isn't down to Bozak either as some think).

Leafin'
10-26-2014, 03:00 PM
James Mirtle @mirtle
Leafs score-adjusted possession down to 44% after last night, third worst in NHL fenwick-stats.com

Not looking good.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-26-2014, 04:14 PM
On a night filled with emotion and Canadian pride the Laughs still couldn't get up for the game. Ottawa played with a lot of heart, Montreal was excellent and yet the Leafs couldn't even fake their way through the game. Disgusting.

Pronger84
10-26-2014, 05:02 PM
Well, for one, you don't reach "rock bottom" less than ten games into the season, when you're a game below .500

I look forward to you demonstrating how exactly I've buried my head in the sand though. Unless that was just another one of your throwaway cliches that you don't really have anything to substantiate.


Nice deflection, but you still did not answer my question about having a legit rebuttal to how pathetic the leafs were last night, tells me you know it is true but just can't admit it. There are different classifications of what rock bottom means, everyone has a different threshold for that criteria to you it seems to be being well bellow .500 during the season, to me right now I feel the leafs have hit their lowest point coming on a night where they play a divisional rival, on a night where the fallen soldiers are being honoured and on a night sold out capacity including many members of the Canadian military and yet not only do they lose but they get badly outplayed for most of the game.

The players seem to agree with me as well, given they held s lengthy behind doors meeting after the loss and after being blasted by randy.

Pronger84
10-26-2014, 05:05 PM
Brutal game. This team still relies on Kessel way too much. Any time he has an off night the whole team shits the bed. Some one has to step up sometimes and share the load. Kadri, phaneuf, bernier, JVR...anyone. A team can't need it's best player to have a big night every game to win.

Thats the thing with Kessel he has elite skill and is probably a top 5 winger in the league but he's not someone you build around or rely on, on a contender he'd be a very nice complimentary piece ala Gaborik in Los angeles.

leafman101
10-26-2014, 05:16 PM
Thats the thing with Kessel he has elite skill and is probably a top 5 winger in the league but he's not someone you build around or rely on, on a contender he'd be a very nice complimentary piece ala Gaborik in Los angeles.

No thats ridiculous. No player can carry a team on their back to success by themselves.

Kessel isn't the problem.

Pronger84
10-26-2014, 05:20 PM
No thats ridiculous. No player can carry a team on their back to success by themselves.

Kessel isn't the problem.

He isn't the solution either, again all the good teams don't built around their wingers its usually in net then blueline as well as some the middle.

Leafin'
10-26-2014, 05:24 PM
5-16-1 is the record since last season right? Sounds like rock bottom to me.

leafman101
10-26-2014, 05:27 PM
Phil Kessel would be one of the top players, and a key building block on every single team in the league.

The issue isn't with Kessel.

Killer93
10-26-2014, 05:29 PM
Love how some people are pointing the finger at one of the rare great assets on this team

Pronger84
10-26-2014, 05:30 PM
5-16-1 is the record since last season right? Sounds like rock bottom to me.

This! Of course wayward probably wont't even reply or find a way to justify the Leafs play.... It's time to make some major changes with the Leafs.

Pronger84
10-26-2014, 05:32 PM
Love how some people are pointing the finger at one of the rare great assets on this team

I'm not laying all the blame for the Leafs problem on Kessel, he has elite skill and he does what he can out there within his abilities. That being said, when was the last time a successful NHL team built around a winger?

Pronger84
10-26-2014, 05:33 PM
Phil Kessel would be one of the top players, and a key building block on every single team in the league.

The issue isn't with Kessel.

Well he's been our best player and most expensive one, what exactly have the Leafs accomplished since landing him? Again incredibly skilled player BUT it's not feasible to build a solid contender around a winger... no team in the league does it and gets away with it.

Wayward DP
10-26-2014, 05:33 PM
Nice deflection, but you still did not answer my question about having a legit rebuttal to how pathetic the leafs were last night, tells me you know it is true but just can't admit it. There are different classifications of what rock bottom means, everyone has a different threshold for that criteria to you it seems to be being well bellow .500 during the season, to me right now I feel the leafs have hit their lowest point coming on a night where they play a divisional rival, on a night where the fallen soldiers are being honoured and on a night sold out capacity including many members of the Canadian military and yet not only do they lose but they get badly outplayed for most of the game.

The players seem to agree with me as well, given they held s lengthy behind doors meeting after the loss and after being blasted by randy.

You can't expect me to read your mind. You accused me of burying my head in the sand (a quote), that's what I responded to. And you still haven't shown how/if/what I did that qualifies.

The Leafs didn't play well last night, I won't argue that. But they were very much in the game through the first two periods and only trailed as a result of a series of unlucky bounces and a bonehead pinch by Franson coupled with lazy coverage by Kessel and Phaneuf. I'd be curious to see what the possession stats indicated through the first two periods as well.

Players only meeting =/= rock bottom. Save the hyperbole and cliches for some 12 year olds.

And you continuing to affirm that this is the "Leafs lowest point" only further demonstrates how little ****ing clue you have. It's been 8 games this season. Eight. I know you like to ignore the fact that substantial portions of the roster have changed from last year, and just pretend that this is last year's team, but it isn't.

LeafGm
10-26-2014, 05:35 PM
Phil Kessel would be one of the top players, and a key building block on every single team in the league.

The issue isn't with Kessel.
Yeah, Kessel obviously isn't the issue here. The "leadership group" and core built around him though?

Unless we want to see history keep repeating itself, a bunch of those guys need to be tossed overboard.

Wayward DP
10-26-2014, 05:35 PM
It's weird, in a lot of ways these guys are the exact opposite of the Quinn era. Which sucks, a lot.

leafman101
10-26-2014, 05:36 PM
I'm not laying all the blame for the Leafs problem on Kessel, he has elite skill and he does what he can out there within his abilities. That being said, when was the last time a successful NHL team built around a winger?

What does "built around a winger mean"? One of Chicago's key building blocks is Kane. The Bruins have Lucic. The Rangers have St. Louis. St Louis has Steen. Anaheim Perry. Montreal Max Pac. Pretty much every good team has great wingers as key core building blocks.

By necessity you need more than just wingers to have success. But that doesn't mean that wingers cannot be building blocks for a team. That makes no sense.

Leafin'
10-26-2014, 05:38 PM
our team defense is the problem. Kessel has his fair share of warts, but he is our best player.

The only concern you can raise for Kessel is what kind of leadership does he provide?

And before anyone jumps on me, yes it is important for your best player to display leadership on and off the ice. There are losers in every sport with all the talent in the world but just can't win. Look no further than a guy like Vince Carter. Some of the best individual talent a guy can have, work ethic of a guy that isn't hungry to be the best. He's had a great career individually but has never won. He has never been able to lead a team.

I mentioned a quote before about what Pat Burns said to Doug Gilmour when we acquired him. He was also a guy with a lot of individual skill. Burns told him to be a leader in practice as well as in the locker room. Be the first to arrive and last to leave. The team will follow.

I don't have the exact quote but you get the idea.

If Kessel is the guy Leiweke was talking about having all the talent in the world but a poor attitude, we do not need him. I have no way to say with 100% certainty that he's the person mentioned.

Another guy is Kadri. You guys see his interview after the game? "we have to uhhh, care more". Uhhh really?

leafman101
10-26-2014, 05:38 PM
Yeah, Kessel obviously isn't the issue here. The "leadership group" and core built around him though?

Unless we want to see history keep repeating itself, a bunch of those guys need to be tossed overboard.

Well yeah, that is how this started. Because I said the problem is the lack of anyone other than Kessel stepping up. Every time he doesn't have a big game they get killed.

They need guys like Kadri, Lupul, Phaneuf, Bernier, JVR to have some impactful games, and not just rely on Kessel every night.

Wayward DP
10-26-2014, 05:50 PM
Kadri needs to be better. Expect bigger things from him in a contract year.

The second line has 3 ES goals this season, they've played really well for the most part, but that's not going to cut it.

WellPlayed
10-26-2014, 05:53 PM
Remember when Kadri would just run guys over out of nowhere? Where has that part of his game gone? Would like to see him get involved physically again.

Leafin'
10-26-2014, 05:58 PM
Remember when Kadri would just run guys over out of nowhere? Where has that part of his game gone? Would like to see him get involved physically again.

That could be Carlyle.

Kadri would get benched immediately after a missed assignment. It could be Carlyle telling him not leave himself exposed in case he misses the hit. Same can probably be said about Phaneuf.

F*ck this team is frustrating. So many good individual pieces, but they just can't seem to work well together. Hell, even Carlyle has a nice resume.

JackBurton
10-26-2014, 07:08 PM
I don't understand how a guy like Percy can't get playing time. Most other organizations would find a place for them. The LA Kings just won a cup and they find places for their young players.

Pronger84
10-26-2014, 07:24 PM
No... the Leafs were badly outplayed for the majority of the game, for long stretches being hemmed in their own end and producing a lot of turnovers the wrong way, any offense mustered up was mimisucal and most of their somewhat good chances came in the 3ed period when the game was essentially over.

Players tend to hold "player only meetings" when things are going real sour, the fact is the players know this team is going in the wrong direction otherwise why hold a meeting like that? This is not about it being "8 games into this season", the issues on this team date back to well before that and you could argue they go back as far as the Game 7 collapse against Boston.. yes this roster has seem major overhauls yet its the same result, how you can sit there and think this is a small issue shows how much in denial you're in about this team.

Wayward DP
10-26-2014, 07:24 PM
I don't understand how a guy like Percy can't get playing time. Most other organizations would find a place for them. The LA Kings just won a cup and they find places for their young players.

Which d-man should come out of the lineup for him?

And he did get playing time, he dressed in 7 of the teams first 8 games, and averaged 18 minutes.

Wayward DP
10-26-2014, 07:25 PM
No... the Leafs were badly outplayed for the majority of the game, for long stretches being hemmed in their own end and producing a lot of turnovers the wrong way, any offense mustered up was mimisucal and most of their somewhat good chances came in the 3ed period when the game was essentially over.

Players tend to hold "player only meetings" when things are going real sour, the fact is the players know this team is going in the wrong direction otherwise why hold a meeting like that? This is not about it being "8 games into this season", the issues on this team date back to well before that and you could argue they go back as far as the Game 7 collapse against Boston.. yes this roster has seem major overhauls yet its the same result, how you can sit there and think this is a small issue shows how much in denial you're in about this team.

Please stop attempting to read my mind and putting words in my mouth (assuming this was addressed to me). Your analysis would be significantly more relevant if you actually addressed the things I do say, instead of the things you somehow infer I mean, through processes unbeknownst to me.

Pronger84
10-26-2014, 07:26 PM
Which d-man should come out of the lineup for him?

And he did get playing time, he dressed in 7 of the teams first 8 games, and averaged 18 minutes.

Gardiner to me is a fair canadiate to take a break from the lineup.

Pronger84
10-26-2014, 07:28 PM
Please stop attempting to read my mind and putting words in my mouth (assuming this was addressed to me). Your analysis would be significantly more relevant if you actually addressed the things I do say, instead of the things you somehow infer I mean, through processes unbeknownst to me.

I'm not trying to read your mind, I'm going by what you have posted and you said the Leafs are only 8 games into the season and with several new players.... I was replying that the issues on this team stem back to the Boston series, what part.. not sure what's so hard for you to comprehend.

Wayward DP
10-26-2014, 07:31 PM
Gardiner to me is a fair canadiate to take a break from the lineup.

Yeah, fair enough. Jake is pretty frustrating, he shows stretches of dominance, and then puts up stinkers like against the Bruins. I didn't have a problem when Randy sat Jake, but I still think the best thing for his development is being in the line-up, and not the press box. Growing pains are part of developing young d-men.

At the same time, I'm not hugely upset that he's in the lineup over Percy. If Percy gets #1 minutes with the Marlies, and Jake continues to get ~20/night with the big club hopefully he can more consistently maintain his stretches of great play.

Wayward DP
10-26-2014, 07:31 PM
No... the Leafs were badly outplayed for the majority of the game, for long stretches being hemmed in their own end and producing a lot of turnovers the wrong way, any offense mustered up was mimisucal and most of their somewhat good chances came in the 3ed period when the game was essentially over.

Players tend to hold "player only meetings" when things are going real sour, the fact is the players know this team is going in the wrong direction otherwise why hold a meeting like that? This is not about it being "8 games into this season", the issues on this team date back to well before that and you could argue they go back as far as the Game 7 collapse against Boston.. yes this roster has seem major overhauls yet its the same result, how you can sit there and think this is a small issue shows how much in denial you're in about this team.

Where did I say that?

Pronger84
10-26-2014, 07:32 PM
What does "built around a winger mean"? One of Chicago's key building blocks is Kane. The Bruins have Lucic. The Rangers have St. Louis. St Louis has Steen. Anaheim Perry. Montreal Max Pac. Pretty much every good team has great wingers as key core building blocks.

By necessity you need more than just wingers to have success. But that doesn't mean that wingers cannot be building blocks for a team. That makes no sense.

It means to either go out and acquire an elite winger before having the other pieces in place and/or paying the winger as the highest paid player on the team.

Chicago is built around Toewes, Crawford, Keith and Seabrooke.... Kane is a very nice complimentary piece for that team. The Bruins are built around Chara, Raask, Bergeron and Krejci... again Lucic is a surrounding piece to the puzzle. As for the Rangers they added St Louis at the deadline last year, he was meant to be brought in as an added piece.... that team is soley built around King Henry. St Louis is a team that doesn't have any stars or franchise players, just a solid team that plays for each other. Montreal is clearly built around Price, as he goes so does the team.

GEEMAN
10-26-2014, 07:40 PM
Well he's been our best player and most expensive one, what exactly have the Leafs accomplished since landing him? Again incredibly skilled player BUT it's not feasible to build a solid contender around a winger... no team in the league does it and gets away with it.

bang on :worshippy:

You need to have Toews , Doughty , Quick and Kopitar in place first then you get Phil to compliment them just like Gaborik and Hossa were , excellent point

Like I said before Phil and Dion cant be your first 2 cornerstone acquisitions and build around them

leafman101
10-26-2014, 07:41 PM
You are just making meaningless, arbitrary distinctions. Seabrook is a member of the Hawks core but Kane isn't? Thats insane. Kane is arguably the best player on that team.

This idea that a winger can't be a building block for a franchise is just wrong. A winger can only be a complimentary piece? Where is the evidence to back this up? What about the list of all the elite winger in the history of the game. Esposito, Richards, Howe, Lafleur, Jagr, Hull, Shanahan, Selanne, Kane, etc. The list of franchise players that won cups and were winger goes on forever.

Kane, Perry, Kessel, Ovechkin, Sedin, Hall, Benn, Iginla etc. Some of the best players in the league are wingers. Of course wingers can be building blocks.

Deckie007
10-26-2014, 07:42 PM
It means to either go out and acquire an elite winger before having the other pieces in place and/or paying the winger as the highest paid player on the team.

Chicago is built around Toewes, Crawford, Keith and Seabrooke.... Kane is a very nice complimentary piece for that team. The Bruins are built around Chara, Raask, Bergeron and Krejci... again Lucic is a surrounding piece to the puzzle. As for the Rangers they added St Louis at the deadline last year, he was meant to be brought in as an added piece.... that team is soley built around King Henry. St Louis is a team that doesn't have any stars or franchise players, just a solid team that plays for each other. Montreal is clearly built around Price, as he goes so does the team.

No, he is not. Do you even NHL? He's their best offensive player, and much more important than Seabrooke.

Have you heard of Pietrangelo?

rated
10-26-2014, 07:42 PM
Kane is a very nice complimentary piece for that team.

This is why you constantly get made fun of on here and never taken seriously.

leafman101
10-26-2014, 07:43 PM
bang on :worshippy:

You need to have Toews , Doughty , Quick and Kopitar in place first then you get Phil to compliment them just like Gaborik and Hossa were , excellent point

Like I said before Phil and Dion cant be your first 2 cornerstone acquisitions and build around them

For some reason you seem to think that the fact they need a center means they wouldn't need a Kessel or a Phaneuf. If they didn't have those guys they would need a center, a Kessel and a Phaneuf. You need those guys too.

It doesn't matter what order you find them in.

MindzEye
10-26-2014, 07:43 PM
Chicago is built around Toewes, Crawford, Keith and Seabrooke.... Kane is a very nice complimentary piece for that team. .

This is painfully stupid analysis.

GEEMAN
10-26-2014, 07:49 PM
It means to either go out and acquire an elite winger before having the other pieces in place and/or paying the winger as the highest paid player on the team.

Chicago is built around Toewes, Crawford, Keith and Seabrooke.... Kane is a very nice complimentary piece for that team. The Bruins are built around Chara, Raask, Bergeron and Krejci... again Lucic is a surrounding piece to the puzzle. As for the Rangers they added St Louis at the deadline last year, he was meant to be brought in as an added piece.... that team is soley built around King Henry. St Louis is a team that doesn't have any stars or franchise players, just a solid team that plays for each other. Montreal is clearly built around Price, as he goes so does the team.

Once again well said and thats why St. Louis has won zilch when everyone thought Miller was the missing piece , they got nice pieces but no legit franchise player ( maybe FP one day ) but their core pieces of Backes , Steen , Oshie , etc are all good no doubt but they cant compete with what LA or Chicago has , these players are the complimentary pieces as you said Pronger 84 , not the star core parts.

Wayward DP
10-26-2014, 08:07 PM
It means to either go out and acquire an elite winger before having the other pieces in place and/or paying the winger as the highest paid player on the team.

Chicago is built around Toewes, Crawford, Keith and Seabrooke.... Kane is a very nice complimentary piece for that team. The Bruins are built around Chara, Raask, Bergeron and Krejci... again Lucic is a surrounding piece to the puzzle. As for the Rangers they added St Louis at the deadline last year, he was meant to be brought in as an added piece.... that team is soley built around King Henry. St Louis is a team that doesn't have any stars or franchise players, just a solid team that plays for each other. Montreal is clearly built around Price, as he goes so does the team.

Heh. Really?

Deckie007
10-26-2014, 08:13 PM
Pronger strikes me as someone that only watches the Leafs. Anyone that's actually watched Chicago would know how important Kane is to the 'Hawks.

JackBurton
10-26-2014, 08:22 PM
The media blows Toews and makes embarrassing comments about how he's the best player in the world. Kane is easily more talented and has been more clutch in the playoffs.

He's money to everyone but his cab driver.

GEEMAN
10-26-2014, 08:38 PM
For some reason you seem to think that the fact they need a center means they wouldn't need a Kessel or a Phaneuf. If they didn't have those guys they would need a center, a Kessel and a Phaneuf. You need those guys too.

It doesn't matter what order you find them in.

You are missing the point here , cup teams typically win with a 1C, 1G, 1D forget the order as your foundation base, you need the Phil or Kane piece absolutely but I totally agree with Pronger 84 on his rankings. Is Justin Williams now LA`s best player cause he won the Conn Smythe ? Not a chance that team is built around Quick , Doughty , Kopitar with that trio in place then you add Carter , Gaborik , Williams etc... You can have a winger like Williams being your best player in a playoffs series and get hot at the right time but he cant be your most important player.

They are solid pieces but not the foundation . You need wingers to win cups but he is right a team wont win with a winger as its best foundation player.

Remember when Hossa took all that abuse in Ottawa and Atlanta for not being a leader , then he finally landed on 3 straight cup final teams and fit in nicely where he belongs as the complimentary star to Sid, Malkin, Lidstrom , Datzuk, Toews, Keith , etc.....

I am a habs fan but if I have to rely on Pacioretty as my best player were fked . We will go as far as Price , PK , and maybe hopefully one day Galchenyuk as my 1C as my core foundation .

GEEMAN
10-26-2014, 08:44 PM
The media blows Toews and makes embarrassing comments about how he's the best player in the world. Kane is easily more talented and has been more clutch in the playoffs.

He's money to everyone but his cab driver.

JT is the best elite 5/5 complete 200 foot player in the game next to Bergeron and the aging Datsyuk , Kane is a star but how many GM`S would take Kane over TJ to start their team ?

No one has more skill than Ovechkin a 235 pound freight train , his stats are stupid but he cant be your best player .

Thats fine we agree disagree .

Deckie007
10-26-2014, 08:46 PM
JT is the best elite 5/5 complete 200 foot player in the game next to Bergeron and the aging Datsyuk , Kane is a star but how many GM`S would take Kane over TJ to start their team ?

No one has more skill than Ovechkin a 235 pound freight train , his stats are stupid but he cant be your best player .

Thats fine we agree disagree .

Crosby?

And Toews > Bergeon offensively....Beregon is a elite defensive player but not offensively while Toews is close to Elite in both aspects.

TimHorton
10-26-2014, 08:46 PM
JT is the best elite 5/5 complete 200 foot player in the game next to Bergeron and the aging Datsyuk

He's not, Crosby is.

Wayward DP
10-26-2014, 08:50 PM
You are missing the point here , cup teams typically win with a 1C, 1G, 1D forget the order as your foundation base, you need the Phil or Kane piece absolutely but I totally agree with Pronger 84 on his rankings. Is Justin Williams now LA`s best player cause he won the Conn Smythe ? Not a chance that team is built around Quick , Doughty , Kopitar with that trio in place then you add Carter , Gaborik , Williams etc... You can have a winger like Williams being your best player in a playoffs series and get hot at the right time but he cant be your most important player.

They are solid pieces but not the foundation . You need wingers to win cups but he is right a team wont win with a winger as its best foundation player.

Remember when Hossa took all that abuse in Ottawa and Atlanta for not being a leader , then he finally landed on 3 straight cup final teams and fit in nicely where he belongs as the complimentary star to Sid, Malkin, Lidstrom , Datzuk, Toews, Keith , etc.....

I am a habs fan but if I have to rely on Pacioretty as my best player were fked . We will go as far as Price , PK , and maybe hopefully one day Galchenyuk as my 1C as my core foundation .

Nah, you're missing the point. Ask Stan Bowman if Kane is a "nice complementary piece" or part of the core.

Wayward DP
10-26-2014, 08:50 PM
And yeah, Crosby > Toews. Not really a contest.

Leafin'
10-26-2014, 08:59 PM
Who moves. Something isn't working. Someone will eventually be moved. Who needs to go?

Phaneuf? Lupul? Bozak? Kessel?

That is our leadership group. Who moves?

Who believes that Kessel is a detriment to this club off the ice? if so, how big of an impact is that on the ice in comparison to his production? It would be pretty shitty to move the Brett Hull of this generation. Is he a good influence for the team?

TimHorton
10-26-2014, 09:05 PM
Lupul, Bozak, one of Kadri or Gardiner. Those are the pieces that will move.

edit: Trading Phil Kessel should be a firing offence.

Leafyblue
10-26-2014, 09:13 PM
You have to wonder though, if you trade Bozak, does Phil asked to be moved?

Deckie007
10-26-2014, 09:14 PM
edit: Trading Phil Kessel should be a executable offence.

FYP

Leafin'
10-26-2014, 09:22 PM
You guys are nuts. Kessel gets moved in the right deal if it comes. This untouchable nonsense is just that. Shanahan will be moving players to get out of the "Burke" era, and i wouldn't be the least surprised to see him move Kessel.

Say a trade like this came up:

Kessel

for

Seth Jones + Filip Forsberg + 2015 1st Rounder

You say no?

TimHorton
10-26-2014, 09:24 PM
This isn't NHL 2015, you can't just make up impossible trades because one guy is rated 94 and the other two aren't.

What is Pittsburgh offers Malkin, 2 Primanti brother sandwiches and a handy from Howard Stern's wife?

Deckie007
10-26-2014, 09:24 PM
You guys are nuts. Kessel gets moved in the right deal if it comes. This untouchable nonsense is just that. Shanahan will be moving players to get out of the "Burke" era, and i wouldn't be the least surprised to see him move Kessel.

Say a trade like this came up:

Kessel

for

Seth Jones + Filip Forsberg + 2015 1st Rounder

You say no?

Well thankfully you aren't our GM.

JackBurton
10-26-2014, 09:29 PM
Crosby is the best player in the world. End of story.

JackBurton
10-26-2014, 09:31 PM
JT is the best elite 5/5 complete 200 foot player in the game next to Bergeron and the aging Datsyuk , Kane is a star but how many GM`S would take Kane over TJ to start their team ?

No one has more skill than Ovechkin a 235 pound freight train , his stats are stupid but he cant be your best player .

Thats fine we agree disagree .

So Toews, Bergeron and Datsyuk are better than Crosby?

wiseguy1
10-26-2014, 10:21 PM
Who is Gerry Dee?

Watches the Laughs and get the Laughs for a living.

LeafOfFaith
10-27-2014, 02:28 AM
Boy does it suck shit sucking shit every single ****ing year.

And every single ****ing year the cause is apparent to the fans, and a total mystery to management.

Gee, maybe the goalie is a problem every season?

Oh, now that we have a goalie, let's get another and ruin both?

Let's try running a pair or two on D that can't get jobs anywhere else in the NHL. As long as we have one pair that's good, we'll be fine.

Let's keep Maurice well past his expiration date. Now that we learned now to keep a coach in place before it's too late, let's try the experiment one more time with Wilson. And just to be sure that it's not a good idea to keep a coach who can't seem to get his players to play any kind of semi-organized game, let's let Carlyle run the show for three or four years despite awful records and numbers across the board despite elite talent to ice.

Is it so hard to recognize the Maurices, Wilsons, Carlyles, Rangers, Frasers, Lebdas, Gustavssons, and all the other crap in the league? And then when you have a Burke, who takes a shit roster and turns it into one brimming with high end youth, you shitcan him after a successful playoff run and watch for two years as his successor can't seem to pull off even one trade that can match the Phaneuf, JVR, Lupul/Gardiner, etc. deals.

Stupidity engenders failure, and the reason we have so much of the latter is because we just can't get enough of the former.

Wayward DP
10-27-2014, 03:03 AM
Yeah, you guys are right, I'm not going to bother watching the last 74 games of the season, Leafs clearly suck and are done for the season.

LeafOfFaith
10-27-2014, 03:17 AM
No doubt they'll win a bunch of games and look good for stretches here and there, because there's too much talent to bottom out despite the retard we have for a head coach. But it's not looking like we're going to be competitive, or at the very least consistent, this year to warrant considering ourselves a threat.

Not sure, given how the same problems have plagued us throughout Carlyle's tenure, why you'd expect any different than what the regular, year to year pattern has shown us.

UWHabs
10-27-2014, 07:11 AM
No doubt they'll win a bunch of games and look good for stretches here and there, because there's too much talent to bottom out despite the retard we have for a head coach. But it's not looking like we're going to be competitive, or at the very least consistent, this year to warrant considering ourselves a threat.

Not sure, given how the same problems have plagued us throughout Carlyle's tenure, why you'd expect any different than what the regular, year to year pattern has shown us.

For a team that I'd say has done a pretty decent job of rebuilding, making some good trades and acquisitions, you've sure sucked on the ice more often than not. It's not Oilers-bad, obviously, but it's been bad. Which is why it's even more stunning that you have a change in management, and he decides to extend your coach.

You're stuck with him for this year - I think it would be hard to sack him and save face. Which means if you keep sucking, someone may try to pull off the desperation move. You just have to hope that it doesn't kill whatever future you might have.

SundinsTooth
10-27-2014, 08:12 AM
For a team that I'd say has done a pretty decent job of rebuilding, making some good trades and acquisitions, you've sure sucked on the ice more often than not. It's not Oilers-bad, obviously, but it's been bad. Which is why it's even more stunning that you have a change in management, and he decides to extend your coach.

You're stuck with him for this year - I think it would be hard to sack him and save face. Which means if you keep sucking, someone may try to pull off the desperation move. You just have to hope that it doesn't kill whatever future you might have.

Good point and if history is any indication, a likely scenario.

Aberdeen
10-27-2014, 08:50 AM
On the bright side I think we're building an excellent management structure. And of in fact Babcock is on the horizon we should be in great shape eventually.

The bad news is that the effect of this strong management will take years to manifest.

LeafGm
10-27-2014, 09:23 AM
For a team that I'd say has done a pretty decent job of rebuilding, making some good trades and acquisitions, you've sure sucked on the ice more often than not. It's not Oilers-bad, obviously, but it's been bad. Which is why it's even more stunning that you have a change in management, and he decides to extend your coach.

You're stuck with him for this year - I think it would be hard to sack him and save face. Which means if you keep sucking, someone may try to pull off the desperation move. You just have to hope that it doesn't kill whatever future you might have.
I don't think that's really a legitimate possibility. It might be if Dave Nonis was still in charge, but what would motivate Brendan Shanahan to allow Nonis to make some short-sighted move in an attempt to keep his job? This is Shanahan's first season on the job, and the team on the ice is still a Burke/Nonis production for the most part. If they bottom out, it's no real setback to Shanahan personally. He may even think it's a good thing; his team gets a higher draft pick, and he has all the excuse he needs to fire Nonis and bring in his own guy.

hockeylover
10-27-2014, 10:02 AM
Yeah, Shanahan is pretty clearly calling all the shots here. I'm not concerned about a desperation move at all.

number17
10-27-2014, 10:07 AM
Just to be fair, I can't remember the last youth / future prospect that Nonis has traded away, either here in TO or back in the days in Vancouver.

zeke
10-27-2014, 10:10 AM
**** me was that awful, even through a boozy haze.

fire randy already.

leafman101
10-27-2014, 10:49 AM
Yeah, Nonis never makes moves out of desperation. He was fired in Vancouver for being too patient.

BeLeafer
10-27-2014, 10:55 AM
It was patently stupid to think Carlyle was suddenly going to start coaching well. Worse, thinking he could be controlled. If you think that's necessary, seriously ... there's no saving face in any event. Better to cut your losses early than cause riots outside the ACC. The natives are restless.

blacksheep
10-27-2014, 11:14 AM
It was patently stupid to think Carlyle was suddenly going to start coaching well. Worse, thinking he could be controlled. If you think that's necessary, seriously ... there's no saving face in any event. Better to cut your losses early than cause riots outside the ACC. The natives are restless.

That's interesting, isn't it? If the management feels the coach needs to be controlled, then they need to change the coach.

LeafOfFaith
10-27-2014, 11:30 AM
For a team that I'd say has done a pretty decent job of rebuilding, making some good trades and acquisitions, you've sure sucked on the ice more often than not. It's not Oilers-bad, obviously, but it's been bad. Which is why it's even more stunning that you have a change in management, and he decides to extend your coach.

You're stuck with him for this year - I think it would be hard to sack him and save face. Which means if you keep sucking, someone may try to pull off the desperation move. You just have to hope that it doesn't kill whatever future you might have.

Actually, that was my concern quietly as I was watching Nylander look like a superstar in those videos last night. I thought, how typical would it be if they traded him for Staal.

LeafGm
10-27-2014, 11:31 AM
Actually, that was my concern quietly as I was watching Nylander look like a superstar in those videos last night. I thought, how typical would it be if they traded him for Staal.
If Staal gets traded, nobody will be giving up a prospect of Nylander's calibre for him. Least of all the Leafs.