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BeLeafer
10-28-2014, 09:51 AM
Maybe if the Leafs lose this one, that will be the final nail in Randy's coffin!

You know he's desperate when he puts Kadri up with Kessel.

number17
10-28-2014, 10:02 AM
I don't think this one will be, but I think a loss tonight, and a BAD loss on Sat night might at least get Shanny thinking about a new coach.

And I'm not even sure why he decided to keep Carlyle to begin with, maybe there's some truth to all the Babcocks rumours, but why not sign say, Bylsma for 1 season and then go from there???

LeafGm
10-28-2014, 10:04 AM
Anyone else think the Leafs will lose this one tonight, and maybe against Columbus too, but then they'll convincingly beat the Blackhawks on Saturday?

Just to keep us confounded.

zeke
10-28-2014, 10:07 AM
I always laught at people using the term must win, even late in the season.

But **** me if it doesn't apply to this game in the first month of the season.

BG
10-28-2014, 10:13 AM
I would bet that most of the Leafs would rather play this game in Buffalo.

Maybe the ACC just needs to start pumping crowd noise through the PA System to drown out the boo-birds.

number17
10-28-2014, 10:14 AM
Losing to the pee-wee Sabres will be very bad ...

BeLeafer
10-28-2014, 10:16 AM
The real reason the Leafs don't like the booing is because the passion behind it is so utterly alien to them.

Leafyblue
10-28-2014, 10:18 AM
Maybe the ACC just needs to start pumping crowd noise through the PA System

Nah...just an app to do it for the people in the corporate seats.

Volcanologist
10-28-2014, 10:22 AM
You know things are tense when even zeke is feeling it.

It's hard to dispel the notion that this team is in trouble already. players-only meeting with not even 10 games gone on the schedule? yikes.

About time Kadri got a chance with Kessel. Let's keep it there for a few games and see what happens.

ForeverTML
10-28-2014, 10:27 AM
I have a feeling they'll come out decent in this one - i.e. some type of effort after they were lambasted by the media and the coach (and themselves) for essentially mailing it in on Saturday.

If this isnt a game where the leafs put up a top notch effort, we've got lots to worry about.

CTheBigPicture
10-28-2014, 10:31 AM
I don't think this one will be, but I think a loss tonight, and a BAD loss on Sat night might at least get Shanny thinking about a new coach.

And I'm not even sure why he decided to keep Carlyle to begin with, maybe there's some truth to all the Babcocks rumours, but why not sign say, Bylsma for 1 season and then go from there???

You don't sign a veteran coach like him for just one season. He won't sign either.

If it's really all about Babcocks then interim coach, one of the assistants, is really the only way to go.

blacksheep
10-28-2014, 10:37 AM
I bet they lose this one also, and Carlyle is not fired.

Killer93
10-28-2014, 10:44 AM
I know its very early, but they simply cannot lose this game tonight period.

BeLeafer
10-28-2014, 10:47 AM
The pressure is on! Almost a sure-fire recipe for them to crumble.

Killer93
10-28-2014, 10:48 AM
Looks like Randy is going with those line changes however power play is unchanged

Killer93
10-28-2014, 10:48 AM
Phaneuf/Rielly working 2nd PP unit, Franson/Gardiner on 1st PP unit

zeke
10-28-2014, 10:51 AM
Looks like Randy is going with those line changes however power play is unchanged

the fact that Kadri never gets 1st unit PP time is pretty crazy. his production the last two years without getting 1st unit PP time is fantastic, really. Not many players have scored as much as him without being on a top PP unit.

I'm sure it's all because of faceoffs.

leafman101
10-28-2014, 10:56 AM
It will be interesting to see how much of a better possession line, if any, the top line is with Kadri in there instead of Bozak.

It will also be interesting to see what JVR and Bozak can do without Kessel.

number17
10-28-2014, 10:59 AM
So who gets the 12th F spot now that Percy's been sent down?

If they did recall McLaren to take that spot someone shoot me please.

LeafGm
10-28-2014, 11:00 AM
It will be interesting to see how much of a better possession line, if any, the top line is with Kadri in there instead of Bozak.

It will also be interesting to see what JVR and Bozak can do without Kessel.
Yeah, this is the most interesting part of tonight's game for me. Whether or not playing with Kessel can reinvigorate Lupul, and whether Bozak and/or JVR are capable of anchoring a scoring line without Kessel are two pretty important questions to have answered when it comes to how this orgnization moves forward from here.

zeke
10-28-2014, 11:03 AM
It's actually pretty amazing how welded together Bozak and Kessel have been. Probably more than any other two players in hockey.

We really have no idea how Bozak will look without Kessel.

number17
10-28-2014, 11:04 AM
It's actually pretty amazing how welded together Bozak and Kessel have been. Probably more than any other two players in hockey.

We really have no idea how Bozak will look without Kessel.No ... but bozak and kessel are always together for a different reason ... ;)

BeLeafer
10-28-2014, 11:05 AM
I'll be surprised if this new first line last more than a game.

zeke
10-28-2014, 11:06 AM
I'm setting the over/under at 1.5 periods.

Killer93
10-28-2014, 11:11 AM
Going with under

number17
10-28-2014, 11:15 AM
I'd say Kadri goes back to 2nd line duty after BUF scores the first goal.

CTheBigPicture
10-28-2014, 11:16 AM
Taking the under on 1 period. Randy will double shift just after the 10-minute mark, and then fully go back to his first line towards the end of the period.

zeke
10-28-2014, 11:22 AM
knowing randy, the practice lines were just a 'warning shot' and he starts the game with the old lines.

zeke
10-28-2014, 11:33 AM
Jonas Siegel @jonasTSN1050
Randy Carlyle hints at playing 11 forwards again tonight. Would mean recalling another defenceman (Stuart Percy?) before game-time.

Metalleaf
10-28-2014, 11:33 AM
It would be nice to see Gardiner give a shit tonight.

worm
10-28-2014, 11:49 AM
this game is only going 1 of 2 ways
- leafs play great and lose
- leafs play terrible and win

LeafGm
10-28-2014, 12:04 PM
So who gets the 12th F spot now that Percy's been sent down?

If they did recall McLaren to take that spot someone shoot me please.
They still do have Carter Ashton and Matt Frattin on the roster.

Presumably one of them would draw in, barring a last-minute call-up of another forward or defenseman.

number17
10-28-2014, 12:10 PM
Didn't Dubas hint at the beginning of the season if a player isn't dressed regularly he should be sent back to the AHL to save some $$?

Maybe that's what they were doing with Percy, but meanwhile we're just wasting cap space on Frattin and Ashton while they sit.

PKForce81
10-28-2014, 01:07 PM
It's actually pretty amazing how welded together Bozak and Kessel have been. Probably more than any other two players in hockey.

We really have no idea how Bozak will look without Kessel.

He will be just fine without Phil. If JVR can suck a bit less along the wall(Winnik is pretty strong at that part), they'll make a good 2nd line.

PKForce81
10-28-2014, 01:10 PM
Buffalo sucks bad though so a loss tonight would be terrible(although it means changes will come quicker so...)

zeke
10-28-2014, 04:51 PM
I'm using Zone-Adjusted 5v5 corsi CLOSE for percentage here for now. It IS adjusted for zone starts and for score effects, but is NOT adjusted for quality of competition or quality of teammate.


Line 1

C N.Kadri (24): 8gms, 2gls, 2pts, 63.6cf%, 16:34 (82gms, 21gls, 21pts) ---- 45.4fo%
C T.Ennis (25): 9gms, 3gls, 3pts, 33.1cf%, 18:03 (82gms, 27gls, 27pts) ---- 35.5fo%

W P.Kessel (27): 8gms, 4gls, 8pts, 43.9cf%, 19:29 (82gms, 41gls, 82pts)
W M.Moulson (30): 9gms, 0gls, 2pts, 35.7cf%, 17:39 (82gms, 0gls, 18pts)

W J.Lupul (31): 8gms, 2gls, 3pts, 63.6cf%, 18:17 (82gms, 21gls, 31pts)
W C.Stewart (27): 9gms, 0gls, 1pts, 43.2cf%, 16:56 (82gms, 0gls, 9pts)

Line 2

C T.Bozak (28): 8gms, 3gls, 8pts, 44.2cf%, 18:38 (82gms, 31gls, 82pts) ---- 53.0fo%
C Z.Girgensons (20): 9gms, 2gls, 3pts, 40.8cf%, 17:25 (82gms, 18gls, 27pts) ---- 43.8fo%

W J.Vanriemsdyk (25): 8gms, 3gls, 5pts, 47.1cf%, 19:15 (82gms, 31gls, 51pts)
W D.Stafford (29): 9gms, 0gls, 4pts, 27.7cf%, 16:23 (82gms, 0gls, 36pts)

W D.Clarkson (30): 8gms, 2gls, 3pts, 48.9cf%, 15:07 (82gms, 21gls, 31pts)
W M.Foligno (23): 8gms, 2gls, 3pts, 35.1cf%, 15:09 (82gms, 21gls, 31pts)

Line 3

C M.Santorelli (29): 8gms, 1gls, 4pts, 49.4cf%, 12:22 (82gms, 10gls, 41pts) ---- 43.9fo%
C T.Mitchell (29): 9gms, 1gls, 1pts, 39.1cf%, 13:43 (82gms, 9gls, 9pts) ---- 35.1fo%

W L.Komarov (27): 8gms, 0gls, 5pts, 48.3cf%, 15:20 (82gms, 0gls, 51pts)
W C.Hodgson (24): 9gms, 1gls, 2pts, 36.3cf%, 16:02 (82gms, 9gls, 18pts)

W D.Winnik (29): 8gms, 0gls, 2pts, 67.6cf%, 16:10 (82gms, 0gls, 21pts)
W B.Gionta (35): 9gms, 0gls, 1pts, 41.5cf%, 15:53 (82gms, 0gls, 9pts)

Line 4

C P.Holland (23): 8gms, 0gls, 1pts, 6sh, 41.9cf%, 9:04 (82gms, 0gls, 10pts) ---- 43.6fo%
C S.Reinhart (19): 7gms, 0gls, 1pts, 34.3cf%, 10:24 (82gms, 0gls, 12pts) ---- 24.2fo%

W R.Panik (23): 7gms, 1gls, 1pts, 31.0cf%, 6:45 (82gms, 12gls, 12pts)
W N.Deslauriers (23): 9gms, 1gls, 1pts, 36.6cf%, 8:37 (82gms, 9gls, 9pts)

W M.Frattin (26): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts, 50.0cf%, 6:09 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts)
W C.Ashton (23): -------
W C.McCormick (31): 9gms, 0gls, 1pts, 36.2cf%, 10:34 (82gms, 0gls, 9pts)



Pair 1

D D.Phaneuf (29): 8gms, 0gls, 3pts, 54.2cf%, 22:37 (82gms, 0gls, 31pts)
D T.Myers (24): 9gms, 0gls, 0pts, 39.9cf%, 24:38 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts)

D C.Franson (27): 6gms, 1gls, 3pts, 60.7cf%, 18:37 (82gms, 14gls, 41pts)
D J.Gorges (30): 9gms, 0gls, 0pts, 34.5cf%, 21:36 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts)

Pair 2

D J.Gardiner (24): 6gms, 0gls, 1pts, 49.4cf%, 20:36 (82gms, 0gls, 14pts)
D R.Ristolainen (20): 9gms, 0gls, 0pts, 37.9cf%, 16:14 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts)

D R.Polak (28): 8gms, 1gls, 1pts, 51.5cf%, 20:16 (82gms, 10gls, 10pts)
D A.Benoit (30): 9gms, 0gls, 0pts, 34.9cf%, 21:18 (82gms, 0gls, 9pts)

Pair 3

D M.Rielly (20): 8gms, 1gls, 2pts, 52.6cf%, 18:34 (82gms, 10gls, 21pts)
D A.Meszaros (29): 8gms, 0gls, 1pts, 35.3cf%, 18:28 (82gms, 0gls, 10pts)

D S.Robidas (37): 7gms, 0gls, 2pts, 42.0cf%, 16:43 (82gms, 0gls, 23pts)
D M.Weber (27): 9gms, 0gls, 0pts, 38.5cf%, 16:30 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts)



Starting Goalies

G J.Bernier (26): 6gms, .904sv%
G J.Enroth (26): 6gms, .914sv%

Backup Goalies

G J.Reimer (26): 4gms, .914sv%
G M.Neuvirth (26): 3gms, .916sv%



Injured/Suspended

W B.Kozun (24): 5gms, 0gls, 1pts, 32.3cf%, 8:54 (82gms, 0gls, 16pts)
W D.Booth (30): -----

W P.Kaleta (28): ------
D M.Psysk (22): ------

zeke
10-28-2014, 04:52 PM
christ almighty losing to that team would be pitiful.

Leafin'
10-28-2014, 04:53 PM
If we lose tonight, holy smokes the media will destroy them.

hockeylover
10-28-2014, 04:55 PM
11 goals for... total... in 9 games?

Holy ****.

Leafin'
10-28-2014, 04:59 PM
Their defense has 1 point? Really?

rated
10-28-2014, 05:01 PM
Pumped to watch the puck watchers watch some hockey players tonight.

Wayward DP
10-28-2014, 05:49 PM
Wow, the Sabres are atrocious. Anything less than a convincing shit-kicking tonight will leave me pretty disappointed. Let's hope the boys can figure out how to play in Toronto.

Bleedsblue&white
10-28-2014, 05:55 PM
Tonight's a no-win situation...but they better win.

I'm not sure that Shanahan isn't letting the team sink, but my guess is that if we lose tonight we'll know one way or the other; If we lose and nothing at all is done in the week ahead, I think he's looking a a top 5 pick for Babcock.

If we win we were supposed to, so we'll stave off the doomsters for a bit, but IMO this team is going to be a bit touchy all season. I mean tight.

rated
10-28-2014, 06:40 PM
If we lose and nothing at all is done in the week ahead,



kneejerk reactions have continued to hurt this franchise for a long time

blacksheep
10-28-2014, 07:06 PM
kneejerk reactions have continued to hurt this franchise for a long time

After three meltdowns in a row, and a shitty start to the fourth season, you think this would be a knee-jerk reaction?

Leafyblue
10-28-2014, 07:06 PM
Anybody know of a decent stream?

LeafOfFaith
10-28-2014, 07:29 PM
Tonight's a no-win situation...but they better win.

I'm not sure that Shanahan isn't letting the team sink, but my guess is that if we lose tonight we'll know one way or the other; If we lose and nothing at all is done in the week ahead, I think he's looking a a top 5 pick for Babcock.

If we win we were supposed to, so we'll stave off the doomsters for a bit, but IMO this team is going to be a bit touchy all season. I mean tight.

Yeah, it's an interesting game. Knowing us, we'll beat them and everything will be roses again, with all the rotting continuing and the rioting on hold till the next one.

If we do lose and they do nothing, and their intent is to tank, I think they'd also need to look into trading a vet or two off the roster for picks that maybe provide ammo to trade up in the draft.

Can't believe we're already talking about the draft less than 10 games in. This ****ing team.

Bleedsblue&white
10-28-2014, 07:50 PM
kneejerk reactions have continued to hurt this franchise for a long time
I think that the way this team had played coupled with an embarrassing loss to Buffalo would necessitate something...doesn't have to be big, but something.

Bleedsblue&white
10-28-2014, 07:51 PM
And man, Buffalo is bad.
Real bad.

Volcanologist
10-28-2014, 07:52 PM
kneejerk reactions have continued to hurt this franchise for a long time

It wouldn't be a kneejerk reaction in the least.

CTheBigPicture
10-28-2014, 07:59 PM
I am missing this. What are the lines?

Bleedsblue&white
10-28-2014, 08:00 PM
How was that not a penalty shot?

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-28-2014, 08:06 PM
Terrible 5 on 3 by the Leafs. Give me a break.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-28-2014, 08:08 PM
Lupul looks like a man possessed today. 6 shots in the first, with a post and post glance to boot.

Pronger84
10-28-2014, 08:08 PM
I am missing this. What are the lines?

Lupul-Kadri-Kessel
JVR-Bozak-Clarkson
Komarov-Santo-Winnik
Panik-Holland-Frattin

Those are the 4 lines going tonight.

CTheBigPicture
10-28-2014, 08:09 PM
Lupul-Kadri-Kessel
JVR-Bozak-Clarkson
Komarov-Santo-Winnik
Panik-Holland-Frattin

Those are the 4 lines going tonight.
Thank you. So Randy did change things up...for now at least.

leaffan2005
10-28-2014, 08:11 PM
So this is one of those rare games where we make the opposing goalie look like Hasek?

PKForce81
10-28-2014, 08:12 PM
So this is one of those rare games where we make the opposing goalie look like Hasek?

Looks like it. Nice to see they're playing well though..even though it's only Buffalo.

PKForce81
10-28-2014, 08:13 PM
Shots 17-4 Leafs.

PKForce81
10-28-2014, 08:13 PM
First line with so much chemistry..Lupul on fire with many chances.

Cojo
10-28-2014, 08:14 PM
Really surprised Bernier got the start today.

zeke
10-28-2014, 08:14 PM
weird that lupes kadri kessel look good together. who woulda thunk it?

zeke
10-28-2014, 08:15 PM
1. buffalo is horrific
2. they would be absolute morons to trade myers

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-28-2014, 08:15 PM
Leafs looked so good that period. Best period of the year. Guys were back checking, hitting, shooting, crashing the net.

hockeylover
10-28-2014, 08:16 PM
Dominating on the shots.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-28-2014, 08:16 PM
Buffalo is embarrassing though, wow!

Metalleaf
10-28-2014, 08:22 PM
@draglikepull: Kessel's Corsi that period was 79% and TyBo's was 38%.

BeLeafer
10-28-2014, 08:23 PM
Only complaint that period is why the hell does Randy go back to Bozak on the first pp when Kadri's line was utterly dominating at even strength?

zeke
10-28-2014, 08:24 PM
kadri 6:25 (19:15) - 33%
kessel 6:52 (20:36)
lupul 5:52 (17:36)

bozak 5:38 (16:54)
vanryk 6:02 (18:06)
clarkson 4:53 (14:39)

winnik 4:33 (13:39) - 75%
komarov 4:48 (14:24)
santo 3:44 (11:12)

holland 3:46 (11:18) - 50%
panik 2:56 (8:48)
frattin 2:25 (7:15)

ForeverTML
10-28-2014, 08:26 PM
Only complaint that period is why the hell does Randy go back to Bozak on the first pp when Kadri's line was utterly dominating at even strength?

Makes no sense whatsoever.

zeke
10-28-2014, 08:29 PM
gardiner 8:14 (24:42)
polak 5:58 (17:54)

rielly 7:29 (22:27)
robidas 5:33 (16:39)

franson 7:19 (21:57)
phaneuf 5:33 (16:39)

Wayward DP
10-28-2014, 08:30 PM
First period thoughts:
1) Buffalo is atrocious. They could set records for futility this year
2) Loving our new top line. Lupul finally looks like PPG Lupul again
3) Strong period from our D, generally good reads and smart decisions, although a lot of credit for that probably goes to Buffalo sucking
4) 5 on 3 was uninspiring
5) Bozak & JVR don't look nearly as good without Phil
6) A post and a cross bar and three or four other top notch chances already are encouraging.

leaffan2005
10-28-2014, 08:38 PM
Would be nice to finish some of these chances. Boys at least look like they give a shit tonight which is refreshing.

hockeylover
10-28-2014, 08:40 PM
Shots 23 to 5?

Weird for us. But it is the Sabres.

zeke
10-28-2014, 08:42 PM
have to say it - not only is clarkson the best one on the 2nd line tonight, but the third line doesn't look nearly as good without him, either.

leaffan2005
10-28-2014, 08:43 PM
have to say it - not only is clarkson the best one on the 2nd line tonight, but the third line doesn't look nearly as good without him, either.

Yup, most encouraging development of this putrid start for sure is the play of Clarkson.

Volcanologist
10-28-2014, 08:43 PM
outshot by the Leafs 22-5.

Murray better get something good for Myers when they move him.

hockeylover
10-28-2014, 08:44 PM
have to say it - not only is clarkson the best one on the 2nd line tonight, but the third line doesn't look nearly as good without him, either.

In the games I've been able to sit down and watch (not a lot mind you), yeah, I agree. He's not only been "not useless" but actually pretty damn good. Shocking.

leaffan2005
10-28-2014, 08:46 PM
Bury the ****ing puck. My goodness.

LeafOfFaith
10-28-2014, 08:47 PM
We're setting ourselves up for a 1-0 shutout loss again.

leaffan2005
10-28-2014, 08:49 PM
Would be a very Leafs thing to do to finally play well and lose after all of the stinkers thus far. Hopefully we light the lamp soon because you don't want to keep Buffalo in this game for very long and give them a glimmer.

WellPlayed
10-28-2014, 08:49 PM
Randy just can't fully commit to that 1st line. Puts Phil back with JVR and Bozak for the PP. The ****?

SundinsTooth
10-28-2014, 09:00 PM
Hilarious inability to finish here is going to be the story of this game.

SundinsTooth
10-28-2014, 09:01 PM
Ouch that didn't look good.

LeafGm
10-28-2014, 09:01 PM
Ach. That could be a blown knee for Dion.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-28-2014, 09:01 PM
Kadri just crippled Dion.

WellPlayed
10-28-2014, 09:01 PM
Phaneuf is going to be out a while. Knees are not supposed to bend that way.

Metalleaf
10-28-2014, 09:03 PM
LOL Bozak...

LeafGm
10-28-2014, 09:03 PM
Sweet. Huge to get that goal before the third period.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-28-2014, 09:03 PM
FINALLY!

CRL
10-28-2014, 09:04 PM
hm... Dion is only out for few min and already success

Bleedsblue&white
10-28-2014, 09:04 PM
About tucking time!

Volcanologist
10-28-2014, 09:07 PM
that didn't look good with Dion.

zeke
10-28-2014, 09:07 PM
hilarious.

most dominant performance i've ever seen.....so of course we lose the captain for the season.

being a leafs fan is awesome.

Metalleaf
10-28-2014, 09:08 PM
hm... Dion is only out for few min and already success

And you aren't even from Woodbridge.

Metalleaf
10-28-2014, 09:09 PM
Riellys time to shine...

zeke
10-28-2014, 09:10 PM
franson 15:55 (23:52)
phaneuf 11:31 (17:26)

gardiner 14:45 (22:08)
polak 12:15 (18:23)

rielly 14:34 (21:51)
robidas 9:26 (14:09)

hockeylover
10-28-2014, 09:14 PM
@brandonlustig: Phaneuf gets hurt and the leafs score a minute later. No coincidence there #goleafsgo
@A_ndrewJohnson: *phaneuf injures his knee and leaves the game* *leafs score right after*

Leaf fans are the best.

zeke
10-28-2014, 09:15 PM
kadri 12:22 (18:33) - 31%
kessel 13:40 (20:30)
lupul 12:40 (19:00)

bozak 13:00 (19:30) - 78%
vanryk 13:10 (19:45)
clarkson 12:30 (18:45)

santo 7:26 (11:09) - 100%
komo 7:51 (11:46)
winnik 7:48 (11:42)

holland 6:07 (9:11) - 50%
panik 5:07 (7:41)
frattin 4:18 (6:27)

LeafGm
10-28-2014, 09:17 PM
I guess we were sort of due. It's kind of freakish that we went an entire season without a single game missed from one of our top six defensemen.

Metalleaf
10-28-2014, 09:21 PM
It's funny, I'm not all that worried if Dion is out for a bit...but maybe that's just me having faith in Rielly, Percy, Gardiner, Polak, and Robidas

Killer93
10-28-2014, 09:22 PM
Im with metal; lets see who steps up

Metalleaf
10-28-2014, 09:22 PM
@dalter: Dion Phaneuf has returned! #TMLtalk

Metalleaf
10-28-2014, 09:22 PM
Im with metal; lets see who steps up

Well then never mind, lol.

LeafGm
10-28-2014, 09:23 PM
Wow, Dion starts the third.

I guess his tendons are made of elastic?

Metalleaf
10-28-2014, 09:24 PM
Wow, Dion starts the third.

I guess his tendons are made of elastic?

Adamantium

zeke
10-28-2014, 09:25 PM
its pretty hilarious:

5v5 corsi%

kadri 74%
lupul 69%
kessel 64%

bozak 42%
vanryk 46%
clarkson 65%

santo 50%
komo 57%
winnik 55%

holland 46%
panik 46%
frattin 33%


now don't ask me how bozak and jvr still suck even with clarkson dominating at even strength...but there it is.

zeke
10-28-2014, 09:28 PM
dirty phil.

Metalleaf
10-28-2014, 09:28 PM
More 3 minute shifts in the other end please!!

axlsalinger
10-28-2014, 09:29 PM
Phil says, "R-E-L-A-X".

LeafGm
10-28-2014, 09:29 PM
Hilarious trick shot by Phil.

Bleedsblue&white
10-28-2014, 09:29 PM
We earned that one.

Metalleaf
10-28-2014, 09:30 PM
Flood gates

axlsalinger
10-28-2014, 09:30 PM
Floodgates now officially open.

leaffan2005
10-28-2014, 09:31 PM
Dirty pass by Rielly.

Hoss
10-28-2014, 09:31 PM
What a pass from Reilly

zeke
10-28-2014, 09:34 PM
bozak gets split from kessel, posts an awful corsi, and gets two points to go over a ppg for the year.

poor steve burtch.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-28-2014, 09:35 PM
PP coming up, I want 4.

BeLeafer
10-28-2014, 09:35 PM
Those corsi stats are rather telling. I'm trying to figure out how anyone on the Leafs isn't over 50%.

The Leafs have done as they must. They definitely deserved those goals. 3-0 is still flattering the Sabres (aka Tank Machine).

Metalleaf
10-28-2014, 09:35 PM
@draglikepull: His assist on that goal is just the 12th point of TyBo's career without Kessel on the ice.

leaffan2005
10-28-2014, 09:40 PM
Gardiner really should have shot that, but nice goal.

axlsalinger
10-28-2014, 09:40 PM
Jake Orr with the score.

Metalleaf
10-28-2014, 09:41 PM
Gardiner can be too fancy, but dammit he's entertaining.

zeke
10-28-2014, 09:42 PM
the Snake!

leaffan2005
10-28-2014, 09:43 PM
Such a weird year. We either blow people out or get blown out. Can we play Buffalo every game?

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-28-2014, 09:43 PM
Nice goal Jake, always entertaining.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-28-2014, 09:45 PM
You think Georges is happy where he is?

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-28-2014, 09:50 PM
Kadri at 29% in faceoffs!

Does he ever work on them before games and at practice?

LeafGm
10-28-2014, 09:51 PM
You think Georges is happy where he is?
I have to admit, there is a certain satisfaction in seeing a couple of longtime dirty Habitants like Gorges and Gionta playing the back-side of their careers for a bottom feeder.

Metalleaf
10-28-2014, 09:53 PM
Hey Gorges also gets a discount at Seneca Casino.

hockeylover
10-28-2014, 09:55 PM
Kadri at 29% in faceoffs!

Does he ever work on them before games and at practice?

FYI: Nylander ~75% on the draw today. Just seemed like a good time to throw that in there.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-28-2014, 09:58 PM
Can we bring Nylander back or is he gone for the year in Sweden?

leaffan2005
10-28-2014, 10:00 PM
Well they did what they needed to do.

Metalleaf
10-28-2014, 10:01 PM
10 shots allowed, franchise record...

BeLeafer
10-28-2014, 10:02 PM
huh, they cheer when you play well. go figure. #dummies

Hopefully they can build some confidence from this.

BeLeafer: 3-0

LeafGm
10-28-2014, 10:04 PM
Can we bring Nylander back or is he gone for the year in Sweden?
He'll only be available to us after Modo's season is finished. Depending on whether they get into the playoffs and how far they get, that could be anywhere between the first week of March to the third week of April.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-28-2014, 10:05 PM
He'll only be available to us after Modo's season is finished. Depending on whether they get into the playoffs and how far they get, that could be anywhere between the first week of March to the third week of April.

Thank you

Metalleaf
10-28-2014, 10:06 PM
That's the first full 60 minute game I have seen in a long time.

zeke
10-28-2014, 10:08 PM
gotta give them credit. that was a fantastic effort, no matter the opppnent. that's as lopsided a leaf win as i've ever seen, and i'm pretty sure that's buffalo's worst performance of the year. neuvirth kept the scoreline respectable for them at least.

columbus without bobrovsky on friday should be a good chance to build more confidence heading into a tough game vs. the hawks on saturday.

good news is that thanks to this performance randy gets blocked from changing the lines back.

Wayward DP
10-28-2014, 10:08 PM
Well that was a treat. Well earned, although the Sabres are hilariously awful. Any time anyone on these boards mentions the possibility of tanking for McDavid or Eichel they should re-watch this game.

In a twist of irony too, the Leafs team with the record for fewest shots allowed in regulation is coached by Randy Carlyle.

And despite dominating, and being our best line at even strength tonight, neither Lupul nor Kadri got any points. Funny how hockey works sometimes.

Winnik and Clarkson are both really winning me over early on too.

zeke
10-28-2014, 10:09 PM
You think Georges is happy where he is?

pretty funny that he'd xhoose to live in a shithole like buffalo instead of playing in the hockey capital of the world.

Metalleaf
10-28-2014, 10:16 PM
Last year the fewest shots allowed was 22...

Metalleaf
10-28-2014, 10:17 PM
@jonasTSN1050: Jonathan Bernier says that was the best game he's seen Leafs play since he's been here. Also, agreed that it was his easiest shutout.

CRL
10-28-2014, 10:17 PM
I would wait few days before getting exited, after saturday game at least

Bleedsblue&white
10-28-2014, 10:23 PM
Buffalo is so bad...it was like watching pond hockey and you're playing against your younger brothers crew.

Won't get a real idea of these line changes until Friday, I guess.

LeafGm
10-28-2014, 10:23 PM
I would wait few days before getting exited, after saturday game at least
Meh, just enjoy the victory and good performance.

Worry about tomorrow when it comes.

zeke
10-28-2014, 10:25 PM
that's also the fewest shots for in buffalo history.

BeLeafer
10-28-2014, 10:31 PM
Funny things ... Kadri on top line, ice a fourth line, balanced blueline toi ... best showing all year.

First time I can recall them playing a solid 60 minutes since the 2012 playoffs. Not an ugly spot in the lineup. Hopefully they've gotten sick of being shitty and will start to build some confidence.

Metalleaf
10-28-2014, 10:44 PM
Robidas: "If we play like we did tonight every night, I'll bet we'll win a lot more games than we're going to lose."

Words of Wisdom.

hockeylover
10-28-2014, 10:47 PM
The only thing is that this team still folds like a cheap tent when they face any kind of adversity. A win like this you'll take for sure but kinda wonder what the outcome would've been if they'd dominated in the first and second but NOT scored the first goal - like say a shitty bounce or something.

But anyways, some really great things out of tonight it sounds like. Hope we come out like this in the next one.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-28-2014, 10:57 PM
Terry Koshan ‏@koshtorontosun 19m19 minutes ago
Correction from #Leafs - tied team record for fewest shots against in a game (10). Also did it in January 2002 vs. Ottawa

Metalleaf
10-28-2014, 11:05 PM
Robert Reichel had 2 points in that game.

number17
10-29-2014, 09:05 AM
Buffalo is a team the Leafs (and pretty much ANY team in the league) can stomp all over, and after Sat, we sure needed to take it on someone. Good for the boys to prove themselves last night.

It's a game where everything that could go right for the Leafs, did, even though there were some scary moments in the 1st ... Rielly made a few bad turnovers as well but BUF didn't make him pay.

All in all it's a solid game against a doormat team, it should be a confidence builder against the CBJ's and then the Hawks in the weekend series.

Few points ...

- As expected, Kessel didn't look any less dangerous with Kadri (good for Carlyle to keep them together all game long ... ), but Kadri looked better with Kessel, and Bozak imo also looked better WITHOUT Kessel in a way he wasn't overpassing. Maybe Kadri - Bozak as a 1-2 punch is better than Bozak - Kadri (well I'm pretty sure it is, I just hope Carlyle sees that now)

- That said, our PP is still PATHETIC. New assistants or not, it's the same stupid system where everybody but the puck carrier is completely static. It's no surprise we couldn't even score on the 5 on 3.

- Right from the get go Lupul was on the puck like a dog on a bone ... his aggressiveness really stood out and that's what I expected from everyone after that stinker on Sat night.

leafman101
10-29-2014, 09:21 AM
Just a dominant performance. You couldn't ask for a better response from the game on saturday.

With the Kadri/Bozak swap Kessel put up insane possession numbers (70%, 15.10 Corsi Rel). Meanwhile Bozak/JVR still had a negative Corsi Rel. Just further reinforcement that the "top lines" defensive/possession issues aren't related to Kessel. At all.

The Leafs biggest problem at this point is finding a way to win when the top line doesn't score. It was great to see Kessel, JVR and Bozak be the guys to step up offensively. But they need some other guy to start picking up the slack.

zeke
10-29-2014, 10:03 AM
The Leafs biggest problem at this point is finding a way to win when the top line doesn't score. It was great to see Kessel, JVR and Bozak be the guys to step up offensively. But they need some other guy to start picking up the slack.

Not sure that's totally true. the bounces have gone the top line's way and not the second line's way, but that's more luck than anything else IMO.

leafman101
10-29-2014, 10:11 AM
Over the last 2 years the Leafs are 7-30-2 when Kessel doesn't get a point. 35-10-7 when he does score.

Thats pretty unlucky.

The Leafs just haven't been able to win enough games when Kessel doesn't carry them offensively.

leafman101
10-29-2014, 10:22 AM
The two previous years, with Kadri/Lupul and Grabo/Mac lines being consistently reliable they were 14-26-4 when Kessel didn't score. That is a 60 point pace versus a 34 point pace the last two years.

A teams record will obviously be better when their best player has a good game. But it can't be that bad when he doesn't.

LeafGm
10-29-2014, 10:27 AM
Over the last 2 years the Leafs are 7-30-2 when Kessel doesn't get a point. 35-10-7 when he does score.
Thats pretty unlucky.

The Leafs just haven't been able to win enough games when Kessel doesn't carry them offensively.
This is the perfect stat to throw in the face of anyone who thinks Kessel is a problem with this team. The scoring support for Phil just hasn't been good enough.

Of course, someone who's anti-Kessel would probably just spin that stat as proof that Kessel is "inconsistent".

BG
10-29-2014, 11:04 AM
The only Sabre that came to play was Neuvirth, the rest of the players really weren't engaged at all. There is enough speed and talent on that team to win some games, makes you wonder if they've all just bought into the plan to tank for McDavid? With the average length of an NHL career, voluntarily giving up a year is a high price to pay for a few extra lottery balls.

zeke
10-29-2014, 11:14 AM
The funny thing is that the Sabres aren't really any younger than the Leafs, even accounting for how big a role the kids play.

the only difference is that they're giving Reinhart a 9gm tryout while we sent Nylander back to sweden.

LeafGm
10-29-2014, 11:17 AM
I really didn't understand just how bad the Sabres actually were until I saw them last night. Oil change is a Stanely Cup contender by comparison.

This has to be the most blatant attempt at tanking for the #1 pick since the Penguins did it for Mario. It's too bad that the new rules for the draft lottery won't take effect until 2016. As a result, the Sabres are basically guaranteed one of Jack Eichel or Connor McDavid.

zeke
10-29-2014, 11:18 AM
We have to remember that as bad as they have been, we just made them look worse than anyone else has this year.

SENSible
10-29-2014, 11:47 AM
We have to remember that as bad as they have been, we just made them look worse than anyone else has this year.

Must be because the Leafs are superawesome.

zeke
10-29-2014, 11:59 AM
They were last night. And they were against NYR, NYI, and COL too.

Volcanologist
10-29-2014, 12:06 PM
I really didn't understand just how bad the Sabres actually were until I saw them last night. Oil change is a Stanely Cup contender by comparison.

This has to be the most blatant attempt at tanking for the #1 pick since the Penguins did it for Mario. It's too bad that the new rules for the draft lottery won't take effect until 2016. As a result, the Sabres are basically guaranteed one of Jack Eichel or Connor McDavid.

Well, I'm not a tanker....but that's a plan. A direction.

What's our plan?

I'm not really sure right now.

LeafGm
10-29-2014, 12:18 PM
Well, I'm not a tanker....but that's a plan. A direction.

What's our plan?

I'm not really sure right now.
Whatever the "plan" is, it doesn't seem that what happens this season is particularly important to the people in charge.

zeke
10-29-2014, 12:21 PM
"Being Shitty" isn't much of a plan, IMO.

Volcanologist
10-29-2014, 12:56 PM
Whatever the "plan" is, it doesn't seem that what happens this season is particularly important to the people in charge.

Not so far, but it's still early. For all we know the plan could be trying to hang around a bubble spot and making a big acquisition at the deadline.

leafman101
10-29-2014, 01:00 PM
Their plan is to build a strong organization, from management down to the ice with a big focus on the draft and analytics.

PKForce81
10-29-2014, 01:01 PM
I just hope Randy doesn't mess with the top 2 lines now..We're not going to look as good against Chicago and other top teams but if we show effort like that, it should be good enough to win more games and hopefully get into playoffs.

Some were happy with the 4th line and they did ok in this one but Frattin still looks shit imo..Buffalo only got 10 shots and one was a huge save due to Frattin's incompetence.

worm
10-29-2014, 01:13 PM
We have to remember that as bad as they have been, we just made them look worse than anyone else has this year.

Did they also have a 12 shot game?

Bleedsblue&white
10-29-2014, 04:27 PM
Well, I'm not a tanker....but that's a plan. A direction.

What's our plan?

I'm not really sure right now.

I really believe that Shanahan, beyond the whole Babcock thing, is using this time to decide what to do...better IMO, than coming in and making changes before you get to know the team and it's assets/detriments.

Any GM or Pres gets a freebie when hired, and as long as Shanahan is a wise man we'll be okay.
All the patience in the world won't matter if he ends up being an idiot.

I think that's our plan; he is going to watch and learn, and as time goes on he'll start knowing what to do and hopefully how to do it.

Bleedsblue&white
10-29-2014, 04:29 PM
I know that's simplistic, but we'll have some one year contracts out of the way, he'll have a handle on the dressing room and who works and who isn't...

Wayward DP
10-29-2014, 06:28 PM
I really believe that Shanahan, beyond the whole Babcock thing, is using this time to decide what to do...better IMO, than coming in and making changes before you get to know the team and it's assets/detriments.

Any GM or Pres gets a freebie when hired, and as long as Shanahan is a wise man we'll be okay.
All the patience in the world won't matter if he ends up being an idiot.

I think that's our plan; he is going to watch and learn, and as time goes on he'll start knowing what to do and hopefully how to do it.

Yup, seems to be the case. And can't say I'm too upset with this approach. Take stock of what you have before making any rash decisions.

Pronger84
10-29-2014, 08:27 PM
Based on what I have seen and read, I think Shanahan is bulding the foundation through the front office... he's made big moves up top which is key going forward. I think when it comes to the coaching sttaff he's shooting an arrow right at Carlyle saying he's on borrowed time, given that he's fired his buddies who worked with him and I think with the players like it's been said here before that he wants to evalaute what is working and what's failing.

I fully expect changes to begin as early as trade deadline day, if were out of the playoffs... I don't see the core being touched but wouldn't shock me to see guys like Franson, Lupul, Bozak and possibly even a guy like HGardiner moved for assets.

Wayward DP
10-29-2014, 08:55 PM
Based on what I have seen and read, I think Shanahan is bulding the foundation through the front office... he's made big moves up top which is key going forward. I think when it comes to the coaching sttaff he's shooting an arrow right at Carlyle saying he's on borrowed time, given that he's fired his buddies who worked with him and I think with the players like it's been said here before that he wants to evalaute what is working and what's failing.

I fully expect changes to begin as early as trade deadline day, if were out of the playoffs... I don't see the core being touched but wouldn't shock me to see guys like Franson, Lupul, Bozak and possibly even a guy like HGardiner moved for assets.

What do you consider to be a team's "core"?

Pronger84
10-30-2014, 06:22 PM
What do you consider to be a team's "core"?

To me I'd consider the Leafs core as- Bernier, Phaenuf, Rielly, Kessel, JVR. Sorry it took me so long to reply was having issues logging in to the site.

Wayward DP
10-30-2014, 07:12 PM
To me I'd consider the Leafs core as- Bernier, Phaenuf, Rielly, Kessel, JVR. Sorry it took me so long to reply was having issues logging in to the site.

Okay, a couple more questions (to be used to establish parameters for future discussions about a 'core').
1) Are cores always limited to only 5 players?
2) When assessing a team's core, does the position they play factor in at all?
3) Generally what criteria can you use to determine a team's core players? Age? Contract? Production?

And 4), I've often heard you mention how the Leafs core is 'toxic' and has 'choked' for three years in a row. Of the core you identified, 40% of those players were new to the team last season. That meant only 60% of the team's current 'core' was in place for the 18-wheeler and then the Bruins series. Do you not think that really waters down your argument that there are significant problems with the core? After all this core has only been in place since last season...

Pronger84
10-30-2014, 07:18 PM
Okay, a couple more questions (to be used to establish parameters for future discussions about a 'core').
1) Are cores always limited to only 5 players?
2) When assessing a team's core, does the position they play factor in at all?
3) Generally what criteria can you use to determine a team's core players? Age? Contract? Production?

And 4), I've often heard you mention how the Leafs core is 'toxic' and has 'choked' for three years in a row. Of the core you identified, 40% of those players were new to the team last season. That meant only 60% of the team's current 'core' was in place for the 18-wheeler and then the Bruins series. Do you not think that really waters down your argument that there are significant problems with the core? After all this core has only been in place since last season...

1. No it doesnt', I was just using those 5 players as an example
2. Postion for sure factors in to what the core of a team is
3. To me I use position, age, contract and yes production... all those things to me factor in
4. Yes I have argued this team is mentally weak and has collapsed for the past 3 years, the core plays a role in it but so does the rest of the team and coaching staff IMO. Do I think there are problems with the core? I do, espically the top line who while are elite offensively also struggle defensively as well, there as much a liability out there as a weapon. Hope that answers your questions.

Wayward DP
10-30-2014, 08:37 PM
1. No it doesnt', I was just using those 5 players as an example
2. Postion for sure factors in to what the core of a team is
3. To me I use position, age, contract and yes production... all those things to me factor in
4. Yes I have argued this team is mentally weak and has collapsed for the past 3 years, the core plays a role in it but so does the rest of the team and coaching staff IMO. Do I think there are problems with the core? I do, espically the top line who while are elite offensively also struggle defensively as well, there as much a liability out there as a weapon. Hope that answers your questions.

I'm trying to understand your criteria for establishing what core players are so that in future discussions we are debating on the same terms. Your answers didn't really help clarify things.

Let's pick five teams, and identify their cores: Toronto, Chicago, Montreal, Philadelphia, and Vancouver

For me, core involves a teams top players (based on production and usage), players that have significant contractual commitments, and young players that can reasonably be considered as building blocks. A core also would be at most probably 6-7 players (no more than a third of the active roster).

So, for Toronto: Kessel, Kadri, Lupul, Phaneuf, Rielly, (Gardiner's on the fringe) Bernier
Chicago: Towes, Kane, Sharp, Keith, Crawford
Montreal: Patches, Galchenyuk, Markov, Subban, Price
Philadelphia: Giroux, Voracek, Couturier, Mason (this one's really tricky though)
Vancouver: Sedins, Bieksa, Edler, Miller

Your turn.