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BeLeafer
10-31-2014, 10:27 PM
This game needs some BeLeafer magic. I'm 3-0 on GDTs.

The coaching staff grew a brain over the summer. Kessel and Kadri barely broke a sweat putting up 3 goals with Winnick. Should have some gas in the tank for this one.

It's a big test for the Leafs. Playing the second of back-to-backs against one of the better teams in the league. Plus, they are playing at home, where they risk having the crowd jump on them if Chicago comes out strong.

Reimer will need to be on his A game for this one.

JackBurton
10-31-2014, 10:29 PM
The Hawks aren't looking that good. We can take 'em. Although some of their core is due for a breakout.

BeLeafer
11-01-2014, 08:32 AM
They've been giving up only 1.9 goals per game. The good news is that Crawford is coming back after a long injury layoff. Hopefully, he's rusty and the Leafs test him.

LeafGm
11-01-2014, 10:39 AM
The Leafs have recalled Sam Carrick, and Stuart Percy has been returned to the Marlies.

So, it looks like the 7 defensemen/11 forward format will remain shelved for the time being. Since Carrick seems ideally suited for the role of fourth line center, Peter Holland may also be getting a shot at moving up the lineup. If Frattin also finally gets the boot, maybe we'll see something like this for the lineup tonight?

Daniel Winnik - Nazem Kadri - Phil Kessel
James van Riemsdyk - Tyler Bozak - David Clarkson
Leo Komarov - Peter Holland - Mike Santorelli
Carter Ashton - Sam Carrick - Richard Panik

hockeylover
11-01-2014, 10:40 AM
Nice call up.

Killer93
11-01-2014, 10:44 AM
Carrick is your ideal 4th line center and will be way more useful then Frattin

zeke
11-01-2014, 10:59 AM
oh nice that is perfect. holland is easily the best option we have to fill a top six wing spot, and carrick is a better fit as fourth line x anyways.

very nice.

BeLeafer
11-01-2014, 11:00 AM
The Leafs have recalled Sam Carrick, and Stuart Percy has been returned to the Marlies.

So, it looks like the 7 defensemen/11 forward format will remain shelved for the time being. Since Carrick seems ideally suited for the role of fourth line center, Peter Holland may also be getting a shot at moving up the lineup. If Frattin also finally gets the boot, maybe we'll see something like this for the lineup tonight?

Daniel Winnik - Nazem Kadri - Phil Kessel
James van Riemsdyk - Tyler Bozak - David Clarkson
Leo Komarov - Peter Holland - Mike Santorelli
Carter Ashton - Sam Carrick - Richard Panik

Looking forward to seeing Carrick. I like zeke's suggestion of trying Holland on the wing with Kadri. Since Winnick played almost 20 minutes last night, it might be good idea to slot Holland in there tonight.

Holland-Kadri-Kessel
JVR-Bozak-Clarkson
Leo-Santorelli-Winnick
Ashton-Carrick-Panik

Of course, Randy is unlikely to change that combo given the scoring they did last night.

Isn't it about time they just waive Frattin?

zeke
11-01-2014, 11:01 AM
The Hawks aren't looking that good. We can take 'em. Although some of their core is due for a breakout.

don't believe the hype.

they have been the best possession team in hockey this year, and are outshooting their opponents by like 15 shots a game. they've been a bit unlucky converting chances is all.

LeafGm
11-01-2014, 11:15 AM
Paul Hendrick ‏@HennyTweets 15m
Matt Frattin is getting bag skated this morning...Carrick is not which might indicate that Sam could make his nhl debut tonite.#tmltalk

Nice.

BeLeafer
11-01-2014, 11:17 AM
Nice that Carrick is getting in, bad that Randy thinks Frattin is worth the effort.

PKForce81
11-01-2014, 12:58 PM
Happy for Carrick(showed great potential in camp) and Frattin is just plain bad and we need to get rid of him.

I don't remember the last time we had 3 games(in a row) where we played well so to me this is going to be the best test. If we beat a good team like Chicago it will show that maybe we're heading in the right direction. I am surprised how good Winnik looks(still early though) but he's showing nice scoring touch as well. I thought he would do a decent job along the boards but woudln't do much else so it's nice to see him get some points. Hopefully it continues.

Naz's game has come so far. Love the way he takes out his guy(in that Buffalo game he made at least 3 huge defensive plays that could have been goals..and was great again last night)...It will take away from his offensive numbers a bit(but playing with Phil maybe not that much) but that doesn't bother me if he keeps playing this way.

Rielly is just so much awesomeness. I knew he could take the puck and skate with it well but some of the defensive plays he makes is really top notch stuff. Kid has potential to be our #1 defender..He's far ahead of Gardiner right now(Jake just isn't as consistent).

Volcanologist
11-01-2014, 01:14 PM
I don't understand their fascination with Frattin.

zeke
11-01-2014, 01:19 PM
Line 1

C N.Kadri (24): 10gms, 3gls, 4pts, 64.5cf%, 16:19 (82gms, 25gls, 33pts) ---- 44.3fo%
C A.Shaw (23): 10gms, 3gls, 4pts, 48.2cf%, 17:53 (82gms, 25gls, 33pts) ---- 47.8fo%

W P.Kessel (27): 10gms, 6gls, 13pts, 47.6cf%, 18:43 (82gms, 49gls, 107pts)
W P.Kane (26): 10gms, 3gls, 7pts, 46.3cf%, 20:24 (82gms, 25gls, 57pts)

W D.Winnik (29): 10gms, 1gls, 6pts, 65.3cf%, 16:03 (82gms, 8gls, 49pts)
W P.Sharp (33): 10gms, 3gls, 8pts, 60.3cf%, 18:50 (82gms, 25gls, 67pts)

Line 2

C T.Bozak (28): 10gms, 4gls, 10pts, 46.3cf%, 18:48 (82gms, 33gls, 82pts) ---- 54.7fo%
C J.Toews (26): 10gms, 4gls, 8pts, 57.9cf%, 20:46 (82gms, 33gls, 66pts) ---- 57.9fo%

W J.Vanriemsdyk (25): 10gms, 4gls, 6pts, 48.6cf%, 19:17 (82gms, 33gls, 49pts)
W M.Hossa (35): 10gms, 2gls, 5pts, 63.1cf%, 18:39 (82gms, 16gls, 41pts)

W D.Clarkson (30): 10gms, 3gls, 4pts, 53.0cf%, 15:48 (82gms, 25gls, 33pts)
W B.Bickell (28): 10gms, 1gls, 4pts, 52.8cf%, 12:22 (82gms, 8gls, 33pts)

Line 3

C M.Santorelli (29): 10gms, 1gls, 5pts, 50.5cf%, 12:31 (82gms, 8gls, 41pts) ---- 46.4fo%
C B.Richards (34): 10gms, 0gls, 4pts, 49.2cf%, 13:07 (82gms, 0gls, 33pts) ---- 46.0fo%

W L.Komarov (27): 10gms, 0gls, 6pts, 49.0cf%, 15:24 (82gms, 0gls, 49pts)
W B.Saad (22): 10gms, 1gls, 6pts, 50.0cf%, 17:07 (82gms, 8gls, 49pts)

W P.Holland (23): 10gms, 0gls, 2pts, 43.1cf%, 9:19 (82gms, 0gls, 16pts)
W K.Versteeg (28): 6gms, 2gls, 3pts, 56.8cf%, 13:44 (82gms, 27gls, 41pts)

Line 4

C S.Carrick (22): -------
C M.Kruger (24): 10gms, 0gls, 1pts, 68.8cf%, 12:28 (82gms, 0gls, 8pts) ---- 53.7fo%

W R.Panik (23): 9gms, 1gls, 1pts, 36.7cf%, 7:49 (82gms, 9gls, 9pts)
W J.Morin (23): 7gms, 0gls, 0pts, 65.3cf%, 7:12 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts)

W C.Ashton (23): 1gms, 0gls, 0pts, 71.4%, 7:38 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts)
W B.Smith (26): 10gms, 1gls, 1pts, 60.6cf%, 13:54 (82gms, 8gls, 8pts)




Pair 1

D D.Phaneuf (29): 10gms, 0gls, 4pts, 56.7cf%, 21:54 (82gms, 0gls, 33pts)
D D.Keith (31): 10gms, 2gls, 6pts, 61.2cf%, 26:19 (82gms, 16gls, 49pts)

D C.Franson (27): 8gms, 1gls, 3pts, 59.3cf%, 19:05 (82gms, 10gls, 31pts)
D B.Seabrook (29): 10gms, 1gls, 4pts, 59.4cf%, 22:33 (82gms, 8gls, 33pts)

Pair 2

D R.Polak (28): 10gms, 1gls, 1pts, 53.3cf%, 20:33 (82gms, 8gls, 8pts)
D N.Hjalmarsson (27): 10gms, 0gls, 2pts, 57.9cf%, 21:37 (82gms, 0gls, 16pts)

D M.Rielly (20): 10gms, 1gls, 4pts, 56.0cf%, 19:10 (82gms, 8gls, 33pts)
D J.Oduya (33): 10gms, 1gls, 1pts, 48.3cf%, 20:13 (82gms, 8gls, 8pts)

Pair 3

D J.Gardiner (24): 8gms, 1gls, 2pts, 48.6cf%, 20:33 (82gms, 10gls, 21pts)
D T.Vanriemsdyk (23): 10gms, 0gls, 0pts, 56.7cf%, 12:50 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts)

D S.Robidas (37): 9gms, 0gls, 2pts, 44.0cf%, 16:48 (82gms, 0gls, 18pts)
D M.Rozsival (36): 6gms, 0gls, 0pts, 44.8cf%, 15:34 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts)




Starting Goalie

G J.Reimer (26): 4gms, .914sv%
G C.Crawford (30): 4gms, .926sv%

Backup Goalie

G J.Bernier (26): 8gms, .917sv%
G A.Raanta (25): 3gms, .933sv%




Injured / Suspended

W J.Lupul (31): 9gms, 2gls, 3pts, 63.6cf%, 18:09 (82gms, 18gls, 27pts)
W D.Booth (30): -------------
W B.Kozun (24): 5gms, 0gls, 1pts, 32.3cf%, 8:54 (82gms, 0gls, 16pts)

W D.Carcillo (29): 7gms, 1gls, 1pts, 60.0cf%, 7:38 (82gms, 12gls, 12pts)

LeafGm
11-01-2014, 01:24 PM
I don't understand their fascination with Frattin.
Particularly since the guy's turning 27 in January. He's not some young prospect that's just in need of more development.

JackBurton
11-01-2014, 02:53 PM
Let's hope this is better than last Saturday. As a Leaf fan I felt like a girl on a date with Jian Ghomeshi.

BeLeafer
11-01-2014, 02:56 PM
Just remember to use the Chicago feed for this game. I can't take those *******s on CBC.

Leafyblue
11-01-2014, 03:14 PM
I can't take those *******s on CBC.

Sadly, the other networks leave a lot to be desired too. Can we have Joe Bowen back, please? :shrug

BeLeafer
11-01-2014, 03:22 PM
Sadly, the other networks leave a lot to be desired too. Can we have Joe Bowen back, please? :shrug

Other than the clowns who call the Bruins games, I find opposing feeds to be miles better than HNIC. It's completely intolerable listening to those patronizing *******s.

Hoss
11-01-2014, 03:24 PM
No one thinks that Winnik will get another look with Kessel and Kadri? Adds some defensive ability on that line.

I kind of wish that Leivo was given some time with the top line. (is he still hurt?)

Winnik on the third with Leo and Santo, Carrick on the fourth with Holland and Panik and LET THEM PLAY

and give Leivo some time on the top.. .he has a knack for the net.

Blueman
11-01-2014, 03:37 PM
Commentators said that Frattin was being sent down, but stayed in due to the Lupul injury. Hopefully that's where this experiment ends.

zeke
11-01-2014, 04:40 PM
well, he's only played four games. they're not in love with him. no doubt he would be cut already if booth and kozun were healthy.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
11-01-2014, 06:57 PM
HNIC is unwatchable.

Leafin'
11-01-2014, 06:58 PM
Reimer in net... hopefully we see a good game from him.

CRL
11-01-2014, 07:07 PM
considering switching to punjabi broadcast

soco22
11-01-2014, 07:15 PM
HNIC is unwatchable.

Should really have a thread quoting all the idiotic shit they say throughout the year. Just too lazy to write it down haha

MindzEye
11-01-2014, 07:19 PM
Watching the Rangers/Jets game on Bell Mobile (can't get the Leaf game at the moment....) and Bob Cole is still the king. I could listen to this senile old man call anything.

zeke
11-01-2014, 07:20 PM
so happy carrick is here.

winnik-carrick fourth line when we're healthy will be awesome.

zeke
11-01-2014, 07:22 PM
kadri looks awake tonight.

Leafin'
11-01-2014, 07:24 PM
Watching the Rangers/Jets game on Bell Mobile (can't get the Leaf game at the moment....) and Bob Cole is still the king. I could listen to this senile old man call anything.

And we have to listen to scum Hughson.

zeke
11-01-2014, 07:25 PM
get out of the way stripes.

Leafin'
11-01-2014, 07:25 PM
Turnovers like that are going to kill us.

zeke
11-01-2014, 07:29 PM
man the hawks shoot from absolutely anywhere.

zeke
11-01-2014, 07:32 PM
that's a very nice first 10 minutes. we've legit been the better team.

Leafin'
11-01-2014, 07:32 PM
Clarkson is so good right now. Loving the fact he's playing well.

rated
11-01-2014, 07:35 PM
Clarkson is so good right now. Loving the fact he's playing well.

We need to figure out how to break his jaw so that mask stays on.

CRL
11-01-2014, 07:36 PM
We need to figure out how to break his jaw so that mask stays on.

FTW!

zeke
11-01-2014, 07:36 PM
remember the hawks have been outshooting their opponents by 10.6 shots per game this year. 38.1 to 27.5.

zeke
11-01-2014, 07:38 PM
the fourth line looks like a real line tonight. I'm thinking carrick might never get sent down again.

CRL
11-01-2014, 07:39 PM
will Leafs ever win without me drinking? Coze it never fails for me, but I can't drink that much

zeke
11-01-2014, 07:40 PM
****ing RIGHTs winnik. great ****ing play.

leaffan2005
11-01-2014, 07:41 PM
Leafs playing awesome so far. Please keep this up.

CRL
11-01-2014, 07:41 PM
Leafs scored?! What?! CBC didn't expect that... bunch of duche bags

Leafin'
11-01-2014, 07:41 PM
beauty.

zeke
11-01-2014, 07:42 PM
ach rook mistake.

big kill here. don't let them back in this so quickly.

rated
11-01-2014, 07:42 PM
Kessel got a point, we're going to win !
http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/450533/lockofweek2.jpg

leaffan2005
11-01-2014, 07:42 PM
Yeah, Hughson's lack of reaction/shock to the goal was amazing. They don't even try to hide their lack of objectivity.

CRL
11-01-2014, 07:44 PM
off to punjabi broadcast

Wayward DP
11-01-2014, 07:45 PM
Really encouraging stuff so far. Like what I've seen from Carrick. We finally look like we have four legit lines.

And Rielly... I love that kid, he's gonna be a stud.

zeke
11-01-2014, 07:45 PM
I've noticed that since the top line was broken up, Bozak's gone back to being one of the main PK guys. not sure that's a great idea.

ForeverTML
11-01-2014, 07:46 PM
bozak ****s up a 2 on one again.

zeke
11-01-2014, 07:46 PM
poop

leaffan2005
11-01-2014, 07:46 PM
Damn.

zeke
11-01-2014, 07:46 PM
reimer.

CRL
11-01-2014, 07:47 PM
weak

ForeverTML
11-01-2014, 07:47 PM
cbc sucking duncan keiths dong.

So expected.

SundinsTooth
11-01-2014, 07:47 PM
On the plus side, the CBC crew is now nattering like an excited sewing circle.

Volcanologist
11-01-2014, 07:47 PM
dammit. ok get that back.

Wayward DP
11-01-2014, 07:48 PM
Ach, c'mon Reims.

zeke
11-01-2014, 07:48 PM
I hate how the leafs play the couple shifts after giving up a goal. all jittery, every time.

CRL
11-01-2014, 07:48 PM
OMNI2 is punjaby and it is so much fun, like driving taxi from airport

Hoss
11-01-2014, 07:48 PM
I loved how Healey compliments Crawford for staying deep in his net so he could see the tip a little longer. In no universe will you hear that comment said in a positive light to any team not playing the leafs.

leaffan2005
11-01-2014, 07:49 PM
Not really much he can do there. Double screen and rolling puck with a perfectly placed shot.

CRL
11-01-2014, 07:50 PM
Not really much he can do there. Double screen and rolling puck with a perfectly placed shot.

maybe not standing on his knees before shot even done

Wayward DP
11-01-2014, 07:50 PM
Reimer looks shaky early.

zeke
11-01-2014, 07:53 PM
welp, woulda been nice to have the lead but that was one of the more encouraging periods of the year.

Wayward DP
11-01-2014, 07:54 PM
Not really much he can do there. Double screen and rolling puck with a perfectly placed shot.

There was practically no screen. Goalies have to fight through that stuff on the PK. The shot beat him clean.

Wayward DP
11-01-2014, 07:55 PM
welp, woulda been nice to have the lead but that was one of the more encouraging periods of the year.

It's funny, I've been watching the Hawks broadcast and they're incredibly complimentary of the Leafs. Correctly pointed out they were the better team most of the period.

Good stuff so far, although I'm a little worried about running out of gas later on.

leaffan2005
11-01-2014, 07:57 PM
Looks like an overtime/shootout type of game.

zeke
11-01-2014, 08:00 PM
Shots: TOR 10 - CHI 10
Corsi: TOR 13 - CHI 13
Fenwick: TOR 11 - CHI 10



Kadri 6:18 (18:54) - 67%
Kessel 7:08 (21:24)
Winnik 6:56 (20:48)

Bozak 6:01 (18:03) - 50%
Vanryk 5:25 (16:15)
Clarkson 4:08 (12:24)

Santo 5:31 (16:33) - 50%
Komo 5:41 (17:03)
Holland 6:03 (18:09)

Carrick 1:43 (5:09) - 0%
Ashton 1:53 (5:39)
Panik 1:47 (5:21



Phaneuf 7:52 (23:36)
Franson 6:38 (19:54)

Gardiner 7:23 (22:09)
Robidas 6:27 (19:21)

Rielly 5:58 (17:54)
Polak 5:42 (17:06)

BeLeafer
11-01-2014, 08:01 PM
Awesome first period.

That first shift by Carrick was ridulous. Too bad about the bad hooking penalty.

Just keep skating and doing what yer doing, boys.

CRL
11-01-2014, 08:03 PM
Kadri 67% ??!! what!?

BeLeafer
11-01-2014, 08:05 PM
Oh yeah, Kadri ... first line centre!

Wayward DP
11-01-2014, 08:07 PM
Awesome first period.

That first shift by Carrick was ridulous. Too bad about the bad hooking penalty.

Just keep skating and doing what yer doing, boys.

Yeah, Carrick and the fourth line look good. Would like to see them get a bit more ice.

Leafin'
11-01-2014, 08:07 PM
I wonder who was truly behind the line juggling we've seen. Was it Carlyle initiated or did it come from up top?

zeke
11-01-2014, 08:07 PM
Kadri 67% ??!! what!?

Kadri has been owning the matchup vs. Shaw (on the Kane line) all over the ice.

zeke
11-01-2014, 08:08 PM
and to be fair, Bozak is doing yeoman's work up against Toews, too.

Wayward DP
11-01-2014, 08:09 PM
Naz has been really good defensively early on this season. Gets missed with everyone focusing on his production (or lack thereof), but he's been damn good in his own end, really encouraging. Just makes such smart reads all over the ice. He keeps playing like this and the points will come.

BeLeafer
11-01-2014, 08:10 PM
Yeah, Carrick and the fourth line look good. Would like to see them get a bit more ice.

He should get a fair bit if he continues strong play ... they are on the backside of a back-to-back.

zeke
11-01-2014, 08:11 PM
though to temper our enthusiasm, chicago really balanced their icetime out that period. top guys aside from Keith are mostly well under their typical minutes so far.

zeke
11-01-2014, 08:12 PM
bozie keeps screwing them up.....but it's pretty awesome that bozie/jvr keep getting this long oddman rushes even without Kessel. That's 3 already tonight.

zeke
11-01-2014, 08:13 PM
though to temper our enthusiasm, chicago really balanced their icetime out that period. top guys aside from Keith are mostly well under their typical minutes so far.

then again, coach just might be pissed that his team is getting outplayed.

zeke
11-01-2014, 08:15 PM
holland looking better.

zeke
11-01-2014, 08:18 PM
bah. garbage call.

CRL
11-01-2014, 08:18 PM
WTF!?

leaffan2005
11-01-2014, 08:19 PM
Nice call ref!

zeke
11-01-2014, 08:19 PM
fack.

leaffan2005
11-01-2014, 08:19 PM
And of course they score off the BS penalty.

zeke
11-01-2014, 08:20 PM
big test here. let's see how we respond.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
11-01-2014, 08:20 PM
oh **** off Reimer.

leaffan2005
11-01-2014, 08:20 PM
Would be nice if Reimer made a save every once in a while too. Can't usually beat the Hawks with sub-bar goaltending.

leaffan2005
11-01-2014, 08:21 PM
Wooo! What a terrible giveaway.

CRL
11-01-2014, 08:21 PM
JVR!

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
11-01-2014, 08:22 PM
JVR bails out Reimer!

BeLeafer
11-01-2014, 08:22 PM
Brutal call.

Leafin'
11-01-2014, 08:22 PM
Beauty.

zeke
11-01-2014, 08:22 PM
beautiful ****ing response shift by santorelli. exactly what we needed.

and then Holland forces the turnover with great pressure even though he was at the end of a looong shift.

fantastic.

BeLeafer
11-01-2014, 08:23 PM
JVR!

Nice.

Deckie007
11-01-2014, 08:23 PM
JVARRR

zeke
11-01-2014, 08:24 PM
Kadri = #1 Center

BeLeafer
11-01-2014, 08:25 PM
Great game.

CRL
11-01-2014, 08:26 PM
Kadri = #1 Center

clearly, toolzak is 2-nd at best before kid comes from sweeden

Volcanologist
11-01-2014, 08:26 PM
Nice response goal.

Kessel is so, so good.

Deckie007
11-01-2014, 08:26 PM
That's some response by the Leafs after the PP goal. Great handful of shifts strung together.

Leafin'
11-01-2014, 08:28 PM
Holy rebound Reimer.

leaffan2005
11-01-2014, 08:33 PM
Leafs dominating the game 5-on-5.

zeke
11-01-2014, 08:36 PM
clearly, toolzak is 2-nd at best before kid comes from sweeden

Bozak doesn't deserve that nickname tonight, not with what he's doing up against Toews.

soco22
11-01-2014, 08:36 PM
Is there any difference between cbc and Rogers doing s broadcast? Don't even notice those new camera angles anymore...looks like there is no ref camera as nothing on their helmets.

CRL
11-01-2014, 08:37 PM
our 3-rd line rocks

Leafin'
11-01-2014, 08:37 PM
Where was this team to start the year?

since that "player only" meeting we've seen a different team.

zeke
11-01-2014, 08:41 PM
yes, Dion.

(and pretty sweet work at his own blueline by Franson there too).

zeke
11-01-2014, 08:42 PM
Bozak is better without Kessel.

leaffan2005
11-01-2014, 08:42 PM
Where was this team to start the year?

since that "player only" meeting we've seen a different team.

Well they look like they give a shit now. Not sure what made the light switch on but it has been an encouraging week, win or lose tonight.

CRL
11-01-2014, 08:45 PM
we need to start november strong since it use to be our worst month

zeke
11-01-2014, 08:46 PM
thattaboy, carrick.

BeLeafer
11-01-2014, 08:46 PM
Bozak is better without Kessel.

Yep. A pleasant surprise.

CRL
11-01-2014, 08:47 PM
Yep. A pleasant surprise.

he wants him back?

zeke
11-01-2014, 08:51 PM
man we better win this one.

CRL
11-01-2014, 08:52 PM
he-he Kadri is doing his best on intimidating other team best players

PKForce81
11-01-2014, 08:55 PM
man we better win this one.

Yeah we've been the better team. They're catching up a bit but still.


The reason Bozak is doing better is because he doesn't have to always look for Kessel(which he did way too often) and also because this style(more cycle game, getting into dirty areas) is better for him as he's not much about skill like Kessel and Kadri are.

Also nice to see Carrick working out much better than Frattin.

zeke
11-01-2014, 09:02 PM
Shots: TOR 20 - CHI 21
Corsi: TOR 28 - CHI 34
Fenwick: TOR 22 - CHI 25




Bozak 14:55 (22:23) - 56%
Vanryk 14:12 (21:18)
Clarkson 12:21 (18:32)

Kadri 11:38 (17:27) - 67%
Kessel 12:19 (18:29)
Winnik 12:58 (19:27)

Santo 9:48 (14:42) - 50%
Komo 9:35 (14:23)
Holland 9:52 (14:48)

Carrick 3:32 (5:18) - 40%
Panik 3:29 (5:14)
Ashton 3:18 (4:57)



Phaneuf 15:46 (23:39)
Franson 13:38 (20:27)

Polak 14:07 (21:11)
Rielly 11:51 (17:46)

Gardiner 13:03 (19:35)
Robidas 11:35 (17:23)



Reimer 19/21 - .905sv%

Wayward DP
11-01-2014, 09:04 PM
Another strong period. PK's let us down so far (and Reims), but otherwise really encouraging stuff.

Notes from the Chicago broadcast: really pimping our third line. They've been dominant. Super impressed with Phaneuf and to a lesser extent Franson. Lotsa praise for Phil and Naz too.

Guys are really flying out there, great stuff to watch against a really good opponent. Hope they can keep it up in the third.

And yeah, Bozak is better without Phil. Really no complaints about anyone in the lineup, other than Winnik who's been fighting the puck a bit tonight.

zeke
11-01-2014, 09:07 PM
What's so nice to see about our 3rd line is that they have been great no matter who has played right wing - Clarkson, Winnik, Panik, or Holland.

No matter who's in there, they've been the same great cycling line.

Volcanologist
11-01-2014, 09:11 PM
great stop Reimer.

zeke
11-01-2014, 09:12 PM
heh.

TROLLMAROV

CRL
11-01-2014, 09:12 PM
AHAHAHA!

MindzEye
11-01-2014, 09:12 PM
I.****ing.Love.Leo

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
11-01-2014, 09:13 PM
HOLLAND!

BeLeafer
11-01-2014, 09:14 PM
Holland!!

Leo, I love you.

Deckie007
11-01-2014, 09:14 PM
I.****ing.Love.Leo

Cock in hand right now. Also Holland is productive with better than 4th liners, shocker!

zeke
11-01-2014, 09:15 PM
I can't believe they're calling that.

every little fake they make the refs are biting.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
11-01-2014, 09:16 PM
What a trash call that was!

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
11-01-2014, 09:16 PM
Reimer standing tall!

Volcanologist
11-01-2014, 09:17 PM
#TeamReimer

zeke
11-01-2014, 09:17 PM
it's REIM TEIM, baby.

BeLeafer
11-01-2014, 09:18 PM
St. James the Redeemer

Cojo
11-01-2014, 09:18 PM
Reimer is rock solid now

Cojo
11-01-2014, 09:19 PM
OMF, the reffing is atrocious

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
11-01-2014, 09:19 PM
This game is crazy good. End to end!

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
11-01-2014, 09:20 PM
WTF refs!

CRL
11-01-2014, 09:21 PM
wow I thought refin was bad before but this is new level

ForeverTML
11-01-2014, 09:21 PM
****ing atrocious reffing. What in the hell?

BeLeafer
11-01-2014, 09:21 PM
These refs are ****ing brutal.

ForeverTML
11-01-2014, 09:22 PM
We are absolutely playing amazing.

zeke
11-01-2014, 09:23 PM
Kessel is ****ing great.

BeLeafer
11-01-2014, 09:23 PM
That the Leafs have had one pp is a sad joke.

zeke
11-01-2014, 09:25 PM
they should put Dion back on the top unit.

zeke
11-01-2014, 09:30 PM
ach.

we've reverted back into the Randy Shell technique of protecting leads.

not good.

zeke
11-01-2014, 09:34 PM
man the hawks can dance the blue line.

boys look tired on the back to back now.

Volcanologist
11-01-2014, 09:34 PM
patented Carlyle era 3rd. let's hope they can hang on.

CRL
11-01-2014, 09:35 PM
oh common!

zeke
11-01-2014, 09:36 PM
**** these refs.

BeLeafer
11-01-2014, 09:36 PM
Ridiculous

C'mon James!

Leafin'
11-01-2014, 09:38 PM
Just when i praise Clarkson, he takes a dumb penalty like that.

And yea, legs looking tired out there.

zeke
11-01-2014, 09:38 PM
heh.

robidas the wily vet!

total dive but the refs HAD to call that one.

Leafin'
11-01-2014, 09:42 PM
Holy f*ck i thought it went in.

zeke
11-01-2014, 09:44 PM
what an awful third period.

bit of an excuse with the back-to-backs but man I hate the way we play with a late lead.

CRL
11-01-2014, 09:48 PM
Leo is ****ing hero of the game

Deckie007
11-01-2014, 09:49 PM
Uncle Leo = 1st star and 1st in my heart. Also Reimer was kinda good too.

Leafin'
11-01-2014, 09:49 PM
Reimer saved our bacon tonight. First two periods were great, third you can tell our guys were gassed.

Excellent win. All the media talking how we can only beat garbage teams can suck a d*ck.

BeLeafer
11-01-2014, 09:49 PM
Ho Lee ****, Reimer was unreal. First star all the way!

zeke
11-01-2014, 09:50 PM
Great game for two periods, but that third really left a bad taste.

That being said - it was about time our goalie stole us a game this year. That's the first time this year our goalie has let us win a game we were outplayed in, and against this team in this situation, this is exactly when we needed it.

ForeverTML
11-01-2014, 09:51 PM
horrrid 3rd

CRL
11-01-2014, 09:51 PM
Great game for two periods, but that third really left a bad taste.

That being said - it was about time our goalie stole us a game this year. That's the first time this year our goalie has let us win a game we were outplayed in, and against this team in this situation, this is exactly when we needed it.

well Chi never had good chance 5on5 if to be fear

BeLeafer
11-01-2014, 09:51 PM
Ah screw any bad taste. They've won three in row and beat the Hawks on the backend of a B2B. No complaints, none.

trujaysfan
11-01-2014, 09:54 PM
I assume any complaining about to Komarov contract has stopped. Set up winner and blocks shot in dying seconds

BeLeafer
11-01-2014, 09:57 PM
That game was a pretty fine illustration why one should be leery of possession stats. The Hawks were shooting from everywhere. Tons of low percentage shots.

Wayward DP
11-01-2014, 10:02 PM
Nice win. Third period was ugly, but on the back end of a back-to-back against Chicago... I'll take it. Reffing was really quite bad in this one.

Uncle Leo is a gem, Phaneuf was a beast, Kessel and Kadri backchecked hard all game, and Reimer got in the groove late; the save he made on Kane was pretty ridiculous.

They really bombarded us all period in the third, beating us to loose pucks in our end way too much, and preventing what should have been easy clears.

A couple tactical notes to this point in the season... it seems they've figured out the stretch pass/redirect deep from our own end play. Looks like they're using it to break other team's traps, pass to one side of the ice, if nothing there back to the D, then stretch pass/tip in back to the weak side, was really effective in the early going.

Offensively, our D men are stepping up a lot more in the O zone and neutral zone, which has been really effective because our puck support is eons better this year.

Also in all three ends the Leafs are finally taking advantage of the boards more. Far fewer giveaways up the middle of the ice, just chips up the boards with excellent puck support.

All three of those traits are unique to this season, and seem to be leading to much better possession.

Our third line is a treat, and Bozak held his own against Toews (same with Kessel against the Kane line too).

Three game winning streak, suicide watch postponed yet again.

CRL
11-01-2014, 10:05 PM
now we are on short road trip, lets see how good we are away for long time
I'm probably one who thinks that Dion and Franson weren't that good

Leafin'
11-01-2014, 10:10 PM
I assume any complaining about to Komarov contract has stopped. Set up winner and blocks shot in dying seconds

I was one of those. Once again, like often, glad to be wrong.

Good to win against a really good team like Chicago.

BeLeafer
11-01-2014, 10:11 PM
Factoid: Leafs record is identical to that of the Hawks.

zeke
11-01-2014, 10:23 PM
Mark Masters @markhmasters
JVR on Leafs holding on: "If you play the right way your energy levels don't need to be as high to be effective"

this is exactly why I got so upset last year about randy and fans complaining about "needing more effort".

our system last year forced us to work twice as hard as the other team just to keep up.

MindzEye
11-01-2014, 10:24 PM
That game was a pretty fine illustration why one should be leery of possession stats. The Hawks were shooting from everywhere. Tons of low percentage shots.

You have to possess the puck, to take a high volume of those shots. Convention wisdom is that those type of shots are giveaways, the Hawks seem to prove that to not be true.

MindzEye
11-01-2014, 10:25 PM
Factoid: Leafs record is identical to that of the Hawks.

I love that 5 days ago the Leafs were already written off by the universe.

CRL
11-01-2014, 10:26 PM
I love that 5 days ago the Leafs were already written off by the universe.

we are willing to wait during such sitback on McDavid pursuit

zeke
11-01-2014, 10:27 PM
Factoid: Leafs record is identical to that of the Hawks.

and we have two more regulation wins than them, no less.

BeLeafer
11-01-2014, 10:27 PM
You have to possess the puck, to take a high volume of those shots. Convention wisdom is that those type of shots are giveaways, the Hawks seem to prove that to not be true.

I'm not disputing that high shot totals mean better possession. Leafs used to have great possession under Maurice. They were still quite shitty. The issue is whether all possession is the same.

Wayward DP
11-01-2014, 10:28 PM
I love that 5 days ago the Leafs were already written off by the universe.

It's strange how much quieter these boards seem to be after a win... or even better three in a row...

MindzEye
11-01-2014, 10:30 PM
we are willing to wait during such sitback on McDavid pursuit

We're not remotely bad enough to be in the McDavid sweeps....like last year we weren't remotely bad enough to be in the Ekblad sweeps, despite giving up the most shots against in modern NHL history and having one of the largest spreads between shots for and against in modern NHL history.

The Leafs performed as bad as they possibly could have from a systems stand point last season, with a complete joke of a bottom 6, and still were barely bad enough to crack the bottom 10.

MindzEye
11-01-2014, 10:33 PM
I'm not disputing that high shot totals mean better possession. Leafs used to have great possession under Maurice. They were still quite shitty. The issue is whether all possession is the same.

In an individual game? No, but I think if your data set gets large enough (like, a season), any variance between quality of possession is just noise.

There was some interesting analysis done on hockey metrics by one of the heavyweights on the baseball sabremetrics communities last season and he poked some holes in a lot of the corsi zealot assumptions. The biggest thing that I took away from it was that there was zero correlation between in game corsi and winning. Where there is correlation is over the course of a season, and even then the correlation isn't overwhelming. Some of our assumptions, that possession is a pillar of roughly equal importance to goaltending, and skill, is backed up by a lot of the work that's been done.

CRL
11-01-2014, 10:36 PM
We're not remotely bad enough to be in the McDavid sweeps....like last year we weren't remotely bad enough to be in the Ekblad sweeps, despite giving up the most shots against in modern NHL history and having one of the largest spreads between shots for and against in modern NHL history.

The Leafs performed as bad as they possibly could have from a systems stand point last season, with a complete joke of a bottom 6, and still were barely bad enough to crack the bottom 10.
to make such statement we shall wait till end of the november first and end of march to be sure, this team is laking leadership big time, believe me, Dion is no leader nor man who can take this team on any kind of journey

MindzEye
11-01-2014, 10:37 PM
Go home, you're drunk.

CRL
11-01-2014, 10:38 PM
Go home, you're drunk.

please, not even close, it takes much more than bottle of irish whiskey to take me down these days

MindzEye
11-01-2014, 10:40 PM
Fine, stay home, you're an alcoholic

CRL
11-01-2014, 10:45 PM
Fine, stay home, you're an alcoholic

alcoholic would past away after 3-rd shot but I'm here with u, 1 hr since bottle went to blue bin

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
11-01-2014, 11:12 PM
26 shots allowed in the 3rd though sort of stains the entire effort. Good lord.

Wayward DP
11-01-2014, 11:17 PM
26 shots allowed in the 3rd though sort of stains the entire effort. Good lord.

2nd night of a back to back against one of the premier teams in the league, and a lot of those shots came on some undeserved PPs. Far from ideal, but I'll take it. The Leafs were 'receiving the game' for much of the period though, which was concerning, but hopefully just a small blip.

BG
11-01-2014, 11:36 PM
... Leafs win the "gimme" on Friday, trailed the hawks for all of 1 minute on Saturday night, come away with a win - and people are complaining about the effort?

Seriously - had the Leafs lost 3-2, Reimer would have been lauded for his effort and the players would have been excused for running out of gas in the third.

PKForce81
11-01-2014, 11:36 PM
Not sure why people are surprised that in the 3rd period being up by 1 we would defend more. This is not just a Leafs thing, it's how most teams play and natural really. You dont want to go hard at them(getting multiple players caught behind their net for example) when you're up by a goal. We did it in the first and they had some odd man rushes but we were able to get away with it. Huge majority of those shots were crap anyways so couldn't care less really.

BeLeafer
11-01-2014, 11:42 PM
Ahem

BeLeafer: 4-0

CRL
11-01-2014, 11:43 PM
Ahem

BeLeafer: 4-0

McDavid hates you so much

leafman101
11-01-2014, 11:54 PM
to make such statement we shall wait till end of the november first and end of march to be sure, this team is laking leadership big time, believe me, Dion is no leader nor man who can take this team on any kind of journey

I don't know. After the shit game in Boston they held a players only meeting and have responded with three good games.

That sounds like leadership is there to me. Something that hadn't happened the last few years.

Leafin'
11-02-2014, 01:32 AM
Not much to complain about tonight folks. The 3rd period could've been better if you really want to nitpick.

There are areas of the team that we would like to see improved.

Losing Lupul sucks. Mr Glass. Don't know what to do with him. Doubt anyone touches him in trade.

Carrick looked pretty good. It would be nice if our 4th line can contribute on the score sheet. I've liked the energy.

Pronger84
11-02-2014, 01:33 AM
I don't know. After the shit game in Boston they held a players only meeting and have responded with three good games.

That sounds like leadership is there to me. Something that hadn't happened the last few years.

I don't know... I mean we played a very shitty Buffalo team and won, we played a banged up jackets team and won... As we should have, I didn't and still don't read anything into those games. Now tonight otoh, we played an elite team on home ice on a back to back night and pulled off a near perfect win... To me tonight was a step forward imo, heck even if we lost but still put in a solid effort Id applaud them.

Wayward DP
11-02-2014, 01:37 AM
I don't know... I mean we played a very shitty Buffalo team and won, we played a banged up jackets team and won... As we should have, I didn't and still don't read anything into those games. Now tonight otoh, we played an elite team on home ice on a back to back night and pulled off a near perfect win... To me tonight was a step forward imo, heck even if we lost but still put in a solid effort Id applaud them.

They held Buffalo to a franchise record low SOG total. No matter how much they stink, that's still impressive.

Pronger84
11-02-2014, 01:39 AM
They held Buffalo to a franchise record low SOG total. No matter how much they stink, that's still impressive.

Like I said.... It's Buffalo and yes it's a good thing the leafs could set w franchise record for the right reason for a change I'm still reading zip into that game. Tonight was a big test, and the leafs aced the exam as far as I'm concerned... I hope they can build on this win tonight and extend their streak.

Wayward DP
11-02-2014, 01:43 AM
Like I said.... It's Buffalo and yes it's a good thing the leafs could set w franchise record for the right reason for a change I'm still reading zip into that game. Tonight was a big test, and the leafs aced the exam as far as I'm concerned... I hope they can build on this win tonight and extend their streak.

It's still Buffalo when they play every other team in the league, and that was their worst performance. You can continue to choose not to credit the Leafs, but that just makes you look kinda silly. I mean I can pick and choose which games I factor in when evaluating the Leafs, exclude the ones that don't fit with my narrative, and arrive at an absurd result.

For example, the Penguins and Bruins are the Penguins and Bruins, so I'm not going to read anything into those games. Therefore, aside from one game, the Leafs have looked amazing this season.

See how easy that is?

Pronger84
11-02-2014, 01:48 AM
I think you missed my post then because I gave the leafs tons of credit for beating a well rested Hawks team who is far superior to us on home ice where we struggle and on the end of a back to back... Leafs played incredibly well tonight, they deserved this win.

Come on about Buffalo I think we both can agree on how terrible they are, this is the type of team the leafs should have zero problems thrashing and they did what they were supposed to do. As for Columbus they are banged up pretty bad so the leafs winning really isn't a sign of anything other then they were able to do what they should have done take advantage of a depleted team... Again to me I read nothing into the leafs winning those 2.

I could easily say your silly for reading too much into the Buffalo game given the state of that team... See how that works, it works both ways.

Wayward DP
11-02-2014, 01:52 AM
I think you missed my post then because I gave the leafs tons of credit for beating a well rested Hawks team who is far superior to us on home ice where we struggle and on the end of a back to back... Leafs played incredibly well tonight, they deserved this win.

Come on about Buffalo I think we both can agree on how terrible they are, this is the type of team the leafs should have zero problems thrashing and they did what they were supposed to do. As for Columbus they are banged up pretty bad so the leafs winning really isn't a sign of anything other then they were able to do what they should have done take advantage of a depleted team... Again to me I read nothing into the leafs winning those 2.

In a lot of years past the Leafs lost a ton of those games where they were 'expected' to win. I'm not going to take anything for granted this season. Buffalo, while yes, they are atrocious, was a key test for us just to see how we responded after the Bruins game, and I don't really think you could have asked for a better performance.

Columbus, same deal, yes they're ravaged by injuries, but the Leafs still took it to them.

Point being that the Leafs 'doing what they're supposed to do' is a positive in and of itself.

Regardless of the quality of opponent, I was encouraged by both the effort and execution they demonstrated. And yeah, tonight speaks for itself. The third period was pretty messy, but a solid effort and we got the two points.

Pronger84
11-02-2014, 01:58 AM
In a lot of years past the Leafs lost a ton of those games where they were 'expected' to win. I'm not going to take anything for granted this season. Buffalo, while yes, they are atrocious, was a key test for us just to see how we responded after the Bruins game, and I don't really think you could have asked for a better performance.

Columbus, same deal, yes they're ravaged by injuries, but the Leafs still took it to them.

Point being that the Leafs 'doing what they're supposed to do' is a positive in and of itself.

Regardless of the quality of opponent, I was encouraged by both the effort and execution they demonstrated. And yeah, tonight speaks for itself. The third period was pretty messy, but a solid effort and we got the two points.

Yes that's true the leafs lost to teams they should beat and beat the ones they shouldn't have, that's always been a perplexing thing for the past few years with that team. The Boston game was pukeworthy all around and yes they did a complete 180' against Buffalo but keep in mind they were icing a bunch of youngsters, rookies and a few aging vets again that type of team isn't hard to dominate, and the leafs did what they were supposed to do, again I can't really call it a step forward or measuring mark to where this team is at, same goes for Columbus.

I think tonight's game though is something to measure and get a read on- we kept an elite team on their heels for 40 minutes on our turf despite playing the night before, tells me we have it in us to be a successful team as long as our work ethic can match the skill. The 3rd was embarrassing but I'll lay off criticizing because of the back to back and the fact Chicago can explode on anyone with their roster... Again credit to the leafs and riemer for shutting them down in the 3rd.

Metalleaf
11-02-2014, 01:59 AM
Good teams win games they should win and find ways to win games they shouldn't. Last years Leafs team would have let Buffalo take 30 shots and a W wouldn't have been so sure.

Wayward DP
11-02-2014, 02:00 AM
Yes that's true the leafs lost to teams they should beat and beat the ones they shouldn't have, that's always been a perplexing thing for the past few years with that team. The Boston game was pukeworthy all around and yes they did a complete 180' against Buffalo but keep in mind they were icing a bunch of youngsters, rookies and a few aging vets again that type of team isn't hard to dominate, and the leafs did what they were supposed to do, again I can't really call it a step forward or measuring mark to where this team is at, same goes for Columbus.

I think tonight's game though is something to measure and get a read on- we kept an elite team on their heels for 40 minutes on our turf despite playing the night before, tells me we have it in us to be a successful team as long as our work ethic can match the skill. The 3rd was embarrassing but I'll lay off criticizing because of the back to back and the fact Chicago can explode on anyone with their roster... Again credit to the leafs and riemer for shutting them down in the 3rd.

The Leafs didn't do 'what they were supposed to d'o against Boston, or Pittsburgh, or Detroit. Wouldn't then doing that against Buffalo be a step forward? (especially from the Bruins game)

Pronger84
11-02-2014, 02:02 AM
The Leafs didn't do 'what they were supposed to d'o against Boston, or Pittsburgh, or Detroit. Wouldn't then doing that against Buffalo be a step forward? (especially from the Bruins game)

Not really... Considering Buffalo was icing pretty much an all calibre roster. Now, if the leafs played the Hawks for instance after the Bruins game... I know hypothetical but I would consider that a step forward as opposed to the Buffalo game, again that's just me though.

Wayward DP
11-02-2014, 02:05 AM
Not really... Considering Buffalo was icing pretty much an all calibre roster. Now, if the leafs played the Hawks for instance after the Bruins game... I know hypothetical but I would consider that a step forward as opposed to the Buffalo game, again that's just me though.

Game 1: Leafs don't do what they're supposed to
Game 2: Leafs do do what they're supposed to

Game 2 isn't an improvement over Game 1?

Pronger84
11-02-2014, 02:09 AM
Given the opponent the game after.... I'd fully expect them to have a better game and if they couldn't beat the lowly Sabres then I'd say this team has even bigger issues then I thought.

So in that context, yes I would say between those 2 games I'd say it's a step forward. If your expecting me to think after beating the Sabres that I suddenly think the leafs are a good team and a solid chance at making the playoffs then no I wouldn't read that based on beating the Sabres which was my point from the get go... Which is in the grand scheme of things I don't read much into the Sabres or even jackets game the other night.

Wayward DP
11-02-2014, 02:12 AM
Yeah I understand what you're saying, I'm just kind of being an argumentative dick for the fun of it (either that or study for an exam, sorry).

It's tough to get a gauge of how good you really are when you beat up on bottom feeders. I think we agree though that the performance against Chicago tonight was encouraging, but we'll need to see that kind of play more consistently before we can conclude the team has taken a big step forward.

Pronger84
11-02-2014, 02:16 AM
It's all good, no need to apologize, actually I enjoy these kinds of debates where we use questions to get the other person to think outside the box.

Agreed, tonight was a very good sign and yea I need to see the leafs put up this kind of effort for the next 10-15 games at least before I can say this is the real deal, I want to believe it but given all the erratic play from the leafs over past while I'm a bit skeptical.

Wayward DP
11-02-2014, 02:35 AM
It's all good, no need to apologize, actually I enjoy these kinds of debates where we use questions to get the other person to think outside the box.

Agreed, tonight was a very good sign and yea I need to see the leafs put up this kind of effort for the next 10-15 games at least before I can say this is the real deal, I want to believe it but given all the erratic play from the leafs over past while I'm a bit skeptical.

Yeah, this week was encouraging, but they've still got a lot to prove. Hopefully they can keep it up.

Pronger84
11-02-2014, 02:42 AM
Yup. I know they play Arizona on Tuesday but who comes after that tho

Wayward DP
11-02-2014, 02:49 AM
Yup. I know they play Arizona on Tuesday but who comes after that tho

Colorado, in Denver

Pronger84
11-02-2014, 02:52 AM
Hmmm... I think I smell 2 more wins coming up lol

Wayward DP
11-02-2014, 02:53 AM
Hmmm... I think I smell 2 more wins coming up lol

I've learned some important lessons about counting chickens before they hatch with this team...

Pronger84
11-02-2014, 02:56 AM
I've learned some important lessons about counting chickens before they hatch with this team...

Touché. Good point.

Cojo
11-02-2014, 06:49 AM
I wonder if Reimer gets some more starts now, he's certainly earned it.

leafman101
11-02-2014, 08:36 AM
I think you missed my post then because I gave the leafs tons of credit for beating a well rested Hawks team who is far superior to us on home ice where we struggle and on the end of a back to back... Leafs played incredibly well tonight, they deserved this win.

Come on about Buffalo I think we both can agree on how terrible they are, this is the type of team the leafs should have zero problems thrashing and they did what they were supposed to do. As for Columbus they are banged up pretty bad so the leafs winning really isn't a sign of anything other then they were able to do what they should have done take advantage of a depleted team... Again to me I read nothing into the leafs winning those 2.

I could easily say your silly for reading too much into the Buffalo game given the state of that team... See how that works, it works both ways.

It doesn't matter who they played. It is about how they played. They gave 3 good efforts in a row, something they hadn't done all year, probably longer than that, immediately after the leaders of this team got fed up with the effort and held a closed door meeting.

That closed door meeting worked. And it is leadership that this team hasn't had for years.

I remember the same thing happening with Sundin and Roberts in the Quinn years.

The Leafs leaders stepped up here, and it worked. That is leadership.

In the past the Leafs spiralled out of control, and had no answers when things started to go wrong.

leafman101
11-02-2014, 08:53 AM
The Kadri and Holland goals tonight were perfect examples of why guys like Winnik and Komarov were such great additions. Both goals were set up with their hands, and making nice passes. The Winnik one in particular was great. He took a puck that bounced off the defenders skate, went back hand to forhand, gave a little saucer pass over the defensemans stick, right on to Kadri's tape, that was hard enough to deflect right in the net.

These guys work their asses off, are puck hounds, play physical, both play down low defensively. But unlike guys like McClement, they have a little bit of skill and when they have the puck they can make things happen. They not great offensive players by any means, but they can make plays. You need to have guys like that. And now that Clarkson is back to himself the Leafs lineup is filled with guys like that now.

PKForce81
11-02-2014, 08:54 AM
These small changes with lines have a lot more to do with our success than any meeting really. We go back to same lines as before and no meeting will fix it. You have to be able to put players in positions where you can get most out of them. We tried Clarkson with skilled guys and he sucked and as soon as we put him together with someone who plays similar style he looks much better..Same with Naz going up with Phil, Bozak moving down, etc.

leafman101
11-02-2014, 08:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AzCRusPRiQ

leafman101
11-02-2014, 08:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq9-wtlOtLU

Pronger84
11-02-2014, 08:58 AM
I wonder if Reimer gets some more starts now, he's certainly earned it.

Given that randy is still here... Odds are he goes with bernier next game.

leafman101
11-02-2014, 08:58 AM
These small changes with lines have a lot more to do with our success than any meeting really. We go back to same lines as before and no meeting will fix it. You have to be able to put players in positions where you can get most out of them. We tried Clarkson with skilled guys and he sucked and as soon as we put him together with someone who plays similar style he looks much better..Same with Naz going up with Phil, Bozak moving down, etc.

Nah thats ridiculous. The players held each other accountable, which never happened the last few years here.

That is the definition of leadership.

And Clarkson is playing with skilled guys (Bozak JVR) and looks great. Lines always change. Players have to be able to play well with anyone. Like Winnik has played all over the place this season and it hasn't made any difference to his game.

Pronger84
11-02-2014, 09:02 AM
Nah thats ridiculous. The players held each other accountable, which never happened the last few years here.

That is leadership.

And Clarkson is playing with skilled guys (Bozak JVR) and looks great. Lines always change.

So it's ridicioulus because he doesn't agree with you... I'm with him on this one to b successful as a team u have to fit the players in the right spots, actually this was something burns used to do in the early 90s and we got within a bad call of making it to the finals.

Clarkson really doesn't work with North south players like Kessel and kadri, he needs to work with guys that play physical and love to do a cycle game... Thats why he's clicking with kom and santo out there a big reason.

leafman101
11-02-2014, 09:04 AM
No its ridicuclous to think shuffling the lines is more impacful than the players stepping up and holding each other accountable.

The lines have been shuffled all season and it made no difference.

Opening night they were:

JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Kozun
Komarov-Santorelli-Clarkson
Winnik-Holland-Frattin.

The first line was literally the only line that hadn't changed already before this week.

Line shuffling is a regular occurance, and players need to be able to play up and down the lineup like guys like Clarkson, Winnik, and Holland have shown they can.

leafman101
11-02-2014, 09:08 AM
And I just can't fathom how anyone could simply ignore, and write off the leadership group here holding a players only meeting at the right time.

On what planet is that not a sign of leadership?

PKForce81
11-02-2014, 09:10 AM
Nah thats ridiculous. The players held each other accountable, which never happened the last few years here.

That is the definition of leadership.

And Clarkson is playing with skilled guys (Bozak JVR) and looks great. Lines always change. Players have to be able to play well with anyone. Like Winnik has played all over the place this season and it hasn't made any difference to his game.

Yeah i'm the ridiculous one to think that all we needed was to have a meeting(you really think they haven't had that before?) after all the shitshow we saw for the past few years. Maybe you know very little about psychology but if these guys are playing well because of that meeting, we're going to go back to playing shitty very soon simply because players don't change their habits that quickly. You simply shouldn't need a meeting to try harder...The thing is, i don't think that was the issue anyways. Guys just simply didn't have good chemistry because they didn't play with those with similar skills and those who can raise their level of play(Naz can make Phil better and vice versa while it's obvious Bozak is better away from Phil). Think what you want but this team is playing very different hockey since those changes and it's ridiculous to think that all we needed was a meeting after all that time of suckage.

Leafyblue
11-02-2014, 09:12 AM
Randy is breathing easier I would guess. :sweatdrop:

leafman101
11-02-2014, 09:12 AM
And lets be honest. After the "Big Lineup Shuffle" Lupul got hurt and the lines were shuffled again. So it can't simply be a result of perfect line combos.

Lupul was replaced by Winnik. They are two completely different players. Winnik was replaced by Holland. They are two compeltely different players. And Holland and Frattin were replaced with Ashton and Carrick. So it wasn't some magical combination they found that worked. The mix has change significantly since then and nothing else changed.

leafman101
11-02-2014, 09:14 AM
Yeah i'm the ridiculous one to think that all we needed was to have a meeting(you really think they haven't had that before?) after all the shitshow we saw for the past few years. Maybe you know very little about psychology but if these guys are playing well because of that meeting, we're going to go back to playing shitty very soon simply because players don't change their habits that quickly. You simply shouldn't need a meeting to try harder...The thing is, i don't think that was the issue anyways. Guys just simply didn't have good chemistry because they didn't play with those with similar skills and those who can raise their level of play(Naz can make Phil better and vice versa while it's obvious Bozak is better away from Phil). Think what you want but this team is playing very different hockey since those changes and it's ridiculous to think that all we needed was a meeting after all that time of suckage.

Players stepping up and demanding more from each other is unquestionably the defnition of leadership. And it is something that the Leafs have been missing in the past. They brought in a bunch of vets this offseason and they are showing their impact early on.

But yeah, its all because they moved Clarkson to JVR and Bozak's wing.

Pronger84
11-02-2014, 09:16 AM
And I just can't fathom how anyone could simply ignore, and write off the leadership group here holding a players only meeting at the right time.

On what planet is that not a sign of leadership?

Calling a meeting to discuss things is leadership, no doubt about that. I do feel you are also not taking into account that we played a team that iced ahl roster and the next game we played a badly wounded jackets team, I'm sorry but those two things also have to be taken into consideration here as well.

leafman101
11-02-2014, 09:17 AM
Calling a meeting to discuss things is leadership, no doubt about that. I do feel you are also not taking into account that we played a team that iced ahl roster and the next game we played a badly wounded jackets team, I'm sorry but those two things also have to be taken into consideration here as well.

No they don't. They played THREE good games in a row, against THREE different teams, including some of the best and worst teams in the NHL.

The opposition hasn't mattered at all.

What is important is how the Leafs have played.

Pronger84
11-02-2014, 09:23 AM
No they don't. They played THREE good games in a row, against THREE different teams, including some of the best and worst teams in the NHL.

The opposition hasn't mattered at all.

What is important is how the Leafs have played.

Yes they do factor into this, Buffalo is a terrible team, if we can't beat them then this team has disturbing issues and as for Columbus nothing to see there except we were able to take advantage of a weakened team. As for Chicago, as I've said before true test right there and we aced it... That game to me is something to build on going forward.

I'm not naive, of course also the efforts has to be there and recently it has but to say the leafs have turned the ship around after the past 3 games is a huge stretch.

leafman101
11-02-2014, 09:25 AM
They have turned the ship around the last 3 games.

No one is making any predictions for the future here. I'm just saying the fact that the leadership group here stepped up when it was needed is a really encouraging sign, and something the team hasn't had in a long time.

It should be recognized.

Pronger84
11-02-2014, 09:27 AM
Have they though... Despite playing a solid 2 periods against an elite club they fall back on old habits in the third by sitting back and giving up close to 30 shots in one period, I know fatigue played its part but old habits reared there ugly heads... Is that really a sign of righting the ship.

PKForce81
11-02-2014, 09:30 AM
Players stepping up and demanding more from each other is unquestionably the defnition of leadership. And it is something that the Leafs have been missing in the past. They brought in a bunch of vets this offseason and they are showing their impact early on.

But yeah, its all because they moved Clarkson to JVR and Bozak's wing.

No idea how to even respond to your nonsense really. Pretty much everyone on here is seeing a different style of play, guys simply know how to find each other easier, and if you think that some meeting after sucking for so long was the main difference, keep going but not sure i could take much that you say seriously any longer. It's worse than the whole "Frattin is not bad defensively" when we talked about it this past summer. You and most others wanted to see Naz on the first line and it's working out great so not sure why you would argue these changes are working for us.

Artnes
11-02-2014, 09:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq9-wtlOtLU

It was funny watching some of the PPP crew grasping on to their Komarov is very overpaid/bad singing argument from the summer last night.

"Winnik/Santo bring just as much offence at 1/3 of the price"

"all assists. Hands of stone"

Let it go gents the guy has been one of our next since game 1.

PKForce81
11-02-2014, 09:38 AM
Have they though... Despite playing a solid 2 periods against an elite club they fall back on old habits in the third by sitting back and giving up close to 30 shots in one period, I know fatigue played its part but old habits reared there ugly heads... Is that really a sign of righting the ship.

It's more of how they played in the past 3 games then anything else really. A lot more organized, guys finding each other easier, puck possession...It's not a coincidence that when Lupul went back up to first line he was so dominant he had close to 10 shots alone(this is why i said we needed a guy who can hang on to the puck on the boards for our first line). It was instant success and Winnik is able to do the same with less skill of course. How people dont' see this is beyond me. Literally the only thing the first line couldn't do is have more puck possession so they get that other element in there...so now we're much more complete in the way we can play and all of our lines can do at least a bit of cycling.

leafman101
11-02-2014, 09:48 AM
No idea how to even respond to your nonsense really. Pretty much everyone on here is seeing a different style of play, guys simply know how to find each other easier, and if you think that some meeting after sucking for so long was the main difference, keep going but not sure i could take much that you say seriously any longer. It's worse than the whole "Frattin is not bad defensively" when we talked about it this past summer. You and most others wanted to see Naz on the first line and it's working out great so not sure why you would argue these changes are working for us.

Come on man. Are you seriously going to waste time arguing that the only problem with this team the last few years is the line combinations?

Yes the lines are better. The first line needed a guy like Winnik that can play down low defensively, be a puck hound, physical and open up time and space for the stars. You know, Hoglund and Renberg. Ideally you wanted Bozak to be that guy, but he isn't. And in fairness those guys have shown they can score a little more in those roles too. Just look at Clarkson in Jersey playing with Kovy. Kadri is obviously better than Bozak too. And Clarkson brings that same skillset to the second line. Bozak and JVR are still playing a little two loose. There were two or three 2-on-1's last night where they were looking to pass for the pretty play, but the defenseman took it away but they still looked for the pass. Clarkson slows down their pace a bit though, and that is good.

But the biggest problem for this team is they quit. Sometime when things go bad, sometime before the game even started. But you can't deny there were way too many games over the last few years where they just looked like they weren't trying. And they got killed. And it happened pretty regularly. That is where this leadership was missing. That is where they didn't have these guys who had won things to step up and say this shit is unacceptable. That is where the accountability was missing.

It doesn't look like thats missing anymore.

PKForce81
11-02-2014, 10:00 AM
Come on man. Are you seriously going to waste time arguing that the only problem with this team the last few years is the line combinations?

Yes the lines are better. The first line needed a guy like Winnik that can play down low defensively, be a puck hound, physical and open up time and space for the stars. You know, Hoglund and Renberg. Ideally you wanted Bozak to be that guy, but he isn't. And in fairness those guys have shown they can score a little more in those roles too. Just look at Clarkson in Jersey playing with Kovy. Kadri is obviously better than Bozak too. And Clarkson brings that same skillset to the second line. Bozak and JVR are still playing a little two loose. There were two or three 2-on-1's last night where they were looking to pass for the pretty play, but the defenseman took it away but they still looked for the pass. Clarkson slows down their pace a bit though, and that is good.

But the biggest problem for this team is they quit. Sometime when things go bad, sometime before the game even started. But you can't deny there were way too many games over the last few years where they just looked like they weren't trying. And they got killed. And it happened pretty regularly. That is where this leadership was missing. That is where they didn't have these guys who had won things to step up and say this shit is unacceptable. That is where the accountability was missing.

It doesn't look like thats missing anymore.

If lines and chemistry(due to certain players having similar skillsets) didn't matter then there's absolutely no point in having a coach to figure out these things and make teams play better. All we'd need is to have players go in a room and say to each other "ok guys we need to be better than this"..and that's it, we're now a new team. I simply don't believe that has a lot of impact(and if it does it usually doesn't last very long).

Look at Dion's game as a prime example that some things are still the same. How many times he's had those brainfarts is pretty insane...that's against some shitty teams in Buffalo and Columbus too. Players can only do so much and it's up to the coach to put them in spots where they can give you more. IMO that's what happened here. I'm a believer that small changes in lines can give you pretty significant results so yes to you it's a waste of time but to me it's what i've always believed and im sticking to that. I like you as a poster so i'll just agree to disagree and so I'll leave it at that.

Hoss
11-02-2014, 10:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AzCRusPRiQ

Just listen to Healy in the first 20 seconds of the clip.... first the leafs win the faceoff, complete an excellent break out, weave in and out and score a pretty tick tack goal, and Healy is reminding the fans on TV that Trevor Van Rymsdyk already has 3 shots on goal and JVR only has one. "If your keeping score" leaf fans. It's obvious we have the crappier Van Rymsdyk.... Oh look a goal.

PKForce81
11-02-2014, 10:15 AM
As for that whole "giving up in games" stuff. Think about it what happens(mentally and physically) when your first line spends so much energy defending and have very little board presence so the cycle game is basically non-existent and you just rely on speed. Phil would get very frustrated when both JVR and to a lesser extent Bozak go into board battles and almost never come up with the puck..So what is he supposed to do? That's not his game. They give him 2 players who are much better with that part of the game in Lups and Naz and now we can play both speed and cycle game...while Bozak goes and looks better with Clarkson who is more about board play so now he can score goals that are about moving into dirty areas instead of trying to be nifty like Naz and Phil(which let's face it he can't do).

leafman101
11-02-2014, 10:42 AM
If you've backed yourself into the "the only problem with the Leafs has been the line combinations" and can't admit it there is no point in wasting time with this debate.

Leafyblue
11-02-2014, 10:45 AM
Just listen to Healy in the first 20 seconds of the clip.... first the leafs win the faceoff, complete an excellent break out, weave in and out and score a pretty tick tack goal, and Healy is reminding the fans on TV that Trevor Van Rymsdyk already has 3 shots on goal and JVR only has one. "If your keeping score" leaf fans. It's obvious we have the crappier Van Rymsdyk.... Oh look a goal.

CBC would be better off with Jeff Healy.

LeafOfFaith
11-02-2014, 10:49 AM
Best game of the year, third period onslaught or not.

Metalleaf
11-02-2014, 10:51 AM
Just listen to Healy in the first 20 seconds of the clip.... first the leafs win the faceoff, complete an excellent break out, weave in and out and score a pretty tick tack goal, and Healy is reminding the fans on TV that Trevor Van Rymsdyk already has 3 shots on goal and JVR only has one. "If your keeping score" leaf fans. It's obvious we have the crappier Van Rymsdyk.... Oh look a goal.

Just watched that on game in an hour...such ****ing trash.

BeLeafer
11-02-2014, 11:00 AM
Were you hanging out with CRL last night, 101?

Yeah, awesome leadership on this team turned it around! C'mon. The leadership group on this team has a long way to go to prove anything after the pathetic leadership they've had the past few seasons. Good on the team for saying enough is enough and picking up their play. Maybe they all decided to do so. We have no idea if leadership had any play in this.

Overlooked has been the 2-3 days layoffs they've been having has been key to the improved play. They've been able to work on their new system. This has had a big impact. They are clearly more organized out there and with everyone sticking to the plan.

So too have the line changes had a big impact.

Did you not notice that the JVR-Bozak-Kessel line spent tons of their time huffing on the opposition in their own zone? Now, with Kadri and Kessel together, Kessel is spending far more of his time down in the offensive zone. Did you hear what Carlyle said when asked what the big difference is over the last three games -- we spend more time in the offensive zone. And then when JVR and Bozak were paired up with Clarkson it changed their style of play which, as they themselves pointed out, involves a cycling game. They are doing well this way and spending more time in the offensive zone.

BeLeafer
11-02-2014, 11:04 AM
Now that the euphoria of beating the Hawks and playing great in the first two periods has worn off, there is a complaint about the third period. I'm not so sure it was going into a shell, as much as it was about Randy not using fresh legs that he had available. Carrick, Panik and Ashton were playing solidly but only got 4 ****ing minutes on a back-to-back. No wonder everyone was a bit pooched in the third.

PKForce81
11-02-2014, 11:07 AM
Were you hanging out with CRL last night, 101?

Yeah, awesome leadership on this team turned it around! C'mon. The leadership group on this team has a long way to go to prove anything after the pathetic leadership they've had the past few seasons. Good on the team for saying enough is enough and picking up their play. Maybe they all decided to do so. We have no idea if leadership had any play in this.

Overlooked has been the 2-3 days layoffs they've been having has been key to the improved play. They've been able to work on their new system. This has had a big impact. They are clearly more organized out there and with everyone sticking to the plan.

So too have the line changes had a big impact.

Did you not notice that the JVR-Bozak-Kessel line spent tons of their time huffing on the opposition in their own zone? Now, with Kadri and Kessel together, Kessel is spending far more of his time down in the offensive zone. Did you hear what Carlyle said when asked what the big difference is over the last three games -- we spend more time in the offensive zone. And then when JVR and Bozak were paired up with Clarkson it changed their style of play which, as they themselves pointed out, involves a cycling game. They are doing well this way and spending more time in the offensive zone.

Yep. Pretty much said majority of this stuff BL. It makes sense to me but heck i'd love to hear others in on this. I have no issue admitting i'm wrong if the post makes a lot of sense.

He reworded my post that meant "mostly about line changes" because as i said these meetings usually give short term results, to "the only problem was line changes"..Anyways, i give up.

Metalleaf
11-02-2014, 11:07 AM
@reporterchris: Leo Komarov was on the ice for the final 1:53 of the #leafs win over Chicago last night.

PKForce81
11-02-2014, 11:11 AM
Now that the euphoria of beating the Hawks and playing great in the first two periods has worn off, there is a complaint about the third period. I'm not so sure it was going into a shell, as much as it was about Randy not using fresh legs that he had available. Carrick, Panik and Ashton were playing solidly but only got 4 ****ing minutes on a back-to-back. No wonder everyone was a bit pooched in the third.

I think people will be disappointed if they think 3rd period is something we need to work on. I watch a ton of other games and teams naturally go into defensive mode when they're up(you take less risk because you want to keep the lead). The opponent naturally pushes up more and takes more risk offensively. Now you can say we allowed way too many shots in 1 period and that can be partly due to the fact we had many tired legs(first 2 periods we were outplaying them and we had a game night before). So it's a bit of both imo. Had we gone into a defensive shell during 2nd period let's say and tried to defend with so much time left, i'd be a bit more concerned. We'll see how they keep going with it.

PKForce81
11-02-2014, 11:13 AM
@reporterchris: Leo Komarov was on the ice for the final 1:53 of the #leafs win over Chicago last night.

ME and i will fight for Leo later on. Although i think more people are coming to love this guy..What a beast.