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number17
11-06-2014, 09:08 AM
See if my luck with GDT can turn the buds back in the right direction.

After the 'turtle start' (in Carlyle's term) and the 3-2 loss to the Coyotes that started off the western swing, the Leafs are back at it tonight vs. the Aves, and face a team with similar consistency issues as us.

Aves have lost 3 in a row and only won once in the past 6. Roy's team has not looked good at all.

The Aves made the playoff last year, but with an extremely high shooting percentage, winning a lot of shootouts and a lot of 1-goal games ... which many experts deemed unsustainable and regarded it a 'lucky season' for the rookie coach in Roy and his team. Surely the Aves have taken a step back thus far this season, and in particular, failed to pick up points in shootout, which gave them so many bonus points last year. Roy said "We need to score and put the puck in the net." .... and it's probably this great insight that got him the Jack Adams but at the moment it doesn't seem to be helping the Aves.

On our side, we need to get back on the horse and start winning some games. The 3-2 loss was a setback after the 3-games winning streak, what is interesting tonight, and things to watch out for are:

- Will Carlyle stick with the Kadri-Kessel combo still? Or will he revert to Bozak-Kessel for most of the game?
- Kadri got very little icetime when Carlyle leaned on Bozak, Kessel, JVR, Clarkson and Winnik. Even Holland got more icetime last game ... will that continue tonight?
- To reward for his excellent start on Sat vs. the Hawks, Reimer was given the Coyotes start, and didn't look nearly as solid in the loss. Bernier will most likely get the start tonight ... what will he do with it?
- Gardiner looked particularly bad (again) on Tue and Percy is along on the trip. Will he get a start?

Last time the Aves were in town we edged them 3-2 in OT ... let's hope we can extend their losing streak tonight!


Go Leafs Go!

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 02:00 PM
According to Mirtle, the Leafs are starting Bernier and the Avs are starting Berra. I'm glad we're not facing Varlamov.

BTW, it's the Avs not Aves. Just like it's the Leafs not Leaves.

If Carlyle goes back to Bozak with Kessel rather than Kadri, I'm going to hurt my tv.

zeke
11-06-2014, 02:20 PM
Again, in addition to zonestart-adjusted 5v5 CLOSE (ccf%) i've added zonestart-adjusted 5v5 TOTAL (cf%). I still think the first number is best all things being equal but the 2nd number gives us a much bigger sample size to go off of, so it's probably similarly valuable at this point in the season.

Line 1

C N.Kadri (24): 12gms, 4gls, 5pts, 60.1ccf%, 57.6cf%, 16:17 (82gms, 27gls, 34pts) ---- 45.9fo%
C M.Duchene (24): 14gms, 3gls, 9pts, 42.6ccf%, 42.0cf%, 19:00 (82gms, 18gls, 53pts) ---- 45.7fo%

W P.Kessel (27): 12gms, 6gls, 16pts, 46.4ccf%, 46.4cf%, 18:53 (82gms, 41gls, 109pts)
W R.O'Reilly (23): 14gms, 2gls, 8pts, 50.2ccf%, 48.4cf%, 18:38 (82gms, 12gls, 47pts)

W D.Winnik (29): 12gms, 1gls, 7pts, 60.0ccf%, 54.2cf%, 16:22 (82gms, 7gls, 48pts)
W J.McGinn (26): 14gms, 4gls, 6pts, 40.3ccf%, 38.8cf%, 14:42 (82gms, 23gls, 35pts)

Line 2

C T.Bozak (28): 12gms, 4gls, 11pts, 43.6ccf%, 44.0cf%, 19:09 (82gms, 27gls, 75pts) ---- 54.2fo%
C N.MacKinnon (19): 14gms, 4gls, 9pts, 47.7ccf%, 47.6cf%, 16:29 (82gms, 23gls, 53pts) ---- 45.3fo%

W J.Vanriemsdyk (25): 12gms, 5gls, 8pts, 46.6ccf%, 44.4cf%, 19:57 (82gms, 34gls, 55pts)
W J.Iginla (37): 14gms, 2gls, 9pts, 39.7ccf%, 40.3cf%, 17:33 (82gms, 12gls, 53pts)

W D.Clarkson (30): 12gms, 3gls, 4pts, 49.6ccf%, 49.2cf%, 15:47 (82gms, 21gls, 27pts)
W G.Landeskog (22): 14gms, 4gls, 5pts, 51.7ccf%, 48.7cf%, 17:43 (82gms, 23gls, 29pts)

Line 3

C P.Holland (23): 12gms, 1gls, 3pts, 48.0ccf%, 41.3cf%, 10:24 (82gms, 7gls, 21pts) ---- 48.0fo%
C J.Mitchell (30): 10gms, 2gls, 4pts, 44.5ccf%, 43.5cf%, 13:19 (82gms, 16gls, 33pts) ---- 53.0fo%

W L.Komarov (27): 12gms, 0gls, 7pts, 50.0ccf%, 50.5cf%, 15:25 (82gms, 0gls, 48pts)
W A.Tanguay (35): 14gms, 4gls, 7pts, 43.5ccf%, 43.1cf%, 17:42 (82gms, 23gls, 41pts)

W M.Santorelli (29): 12gms, 1gls, 5pts, 50.9ccf%, 50.3cf%, 12:12 (82gms, 7gls, 34pts)
W D.Everberg (23): 9gms, 1gls, 2pts, 52.8ccf%, 46.2cf%, 10:57 (82gms, 9gls, 18pts)

Line 4

C S.Carrick (22): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts, 44.4ccf%, 38.5cf%, 5:08 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts) ---- 50.0fo%
C M.Cliche (27): 13gms, 1gls, 2pts, 27.1ccf%, 30.8cf%, 10:04 (82gms, 6gls, 13pts) ---- 48.3fo%

W R.Panik (23): 11gms, 1gls, 1pts, 37.3ccf%, 35.2cf%, 7:28 (82gms, 8gls, 8pts)
W M.Talbot (30): 14gms, 0gls, 2pts, 35.8ccf%, 34.7cf%, 12:11 (82gms, 0gls, 12pts)

W C.Ashton (23): 3gms, 0gls, 0pts, 56.3ccf%, 50.0cf%, 6:09 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts)
W C.Macleod (30): 14gms, 1gls, 2pts, 27.8ccf%, 30.3cf%, 9:34 (82gms, 6gls, 12pts)



Pair 1

D D.Phaneuf (29): 12gms, 1gls, 5pts, 54.0ccf%, 51.1cf%, 22:27 (82gms, 7gls, 34pts)
D E.Johnson (26): 14gms, 2gls, 9pts, 48.3ccf%, 44.2cf%, 22:36 (82gms, 12gls, 53pts)

D C.Franson (27): 10gms, 2gls, 4pts, 55.2ccf%, 50.0cf%, 19:28 (82gms, 16gls, 33pts)
D J.Hejda (36): 14gms, 0gls, 4pts, 45.3ccf%, 46.0cf%, 20:31 (82gms, 0gls, 23pts)

Pair 2

D R.Polak (28): 12gms, 1gls, 1pts, 52.5ccf%, 47.7cf%, 20:36 (82gms, 7gls, 7pts)
D N.Holden (27): 14gms, 0gls, 2pts, 37.6ccf%, 37.3cf%, 21:33 (82gms, 0gls, 12pts)

D M.Rielly (20): 12gms, 1gls, 4pts, 53.2ccf%, 49.3cf%, 18:59 (82gms, 8gls, 30pts)
D Z.Redmond (26): 3gms, 0gls, 1pts, 49.2ccf%, 48.4cf%, 15:59 (82gms, 0gls, 27pts)

Pair 3

D J.Gardiner (24): 10gms, 1gls, 2pts, 46.8ccf%, 49.1cf%, 20:33 (82gms, 8gls, 16pts)
D T.Barrie (23): 14gms, 1gls, 8pts, 48.0cf%, 46.6cf%, 20:23 (82gms, 6gls, 47pts)

D S.Robidas (37): 11gms, 0gls, 2pts, 44.2ccf%, 46.6cf%, 16:24 (82gms, 0gls, 15pts)
D N.Guenin (32): 8gms, 0gls, 1pts, 37.4ccf%, 32.1cf%, 15:28 (82gms, 0gls, 10pts)



Starting Goalies

G J.Bernier (26): 8gms, .917sv%
G R.Berra (28): 4gms, .932sv%

Backup Goalies

G J.Reimer (26): 6gms, .925sv%
G S.Varlamov (26): 10gms, .925sv%



Injured / Suspended

W J.Lupul (31): 9gms, 2gls, 3pts, 65.1ccf%, 59.8cf%, 18:09 (82gms, 18gls, 27pts)
W B.Kozun (24): 5gms, 0gls, 1pts, 32.3ccf%, 36.2cf%, 8:54 (82gms, 0gls, 16pts)
W D.Booth (30): -------

W J.Winchester (31): -----
W P.Bordeleau (28): -----
D B.Stuart (35): 14gms, 0gls, 0pts, 35.5ccf%, 36.5cf%, 19:53 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts)

number17
11-06-2014, 03:05 PM
Got the lines wrong zeke ... i bet you Randy's going back to his old lines and the Kadri-kessel experiment is already over

Preston_Mizzi
11-06-2014, 03:16 PM
No they're back with Kessel and Kadri

LeafGm
11-06-2014, 03:19 PM
Looks like the love affair with Matt Frattin continues. According to Paul Hendrick, it looks like he's drawing back into the lineup tonight, and possibly Stuart Percy as well.

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 03:31 PM
Let me guess, they're going to sit Ashton ... the only good skater thru the game on Tuesday.

LeafGm
11-06-2014, 03:41 PM
Let me guess, they're going to sit Ashton ... the only good skater thru the game on Tuesday.
Heh, that was my first thought. Hopefully it's Richard Panik coming out and not Ashton, even though Panik has also looked better than Frattin thus far.

And if Percy draws in, hopefully it's not so that Randy can implement his idiotic 7-D/11-F system once again.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
11-06-2014, 04:02 PM
Carter Ashton suspended 20 games for violating the NHL drug policy.

leafman101
11-06-2014, 04:03 PM
Crazy that Ashton is this bad on PEDs.

zeke
11-06-2014, 04:04 PM
It's probably coke.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
11-06-2014, 04:04 PM
Crazy that Ashton is this bad on PEDs.

I know right.

zeke
11-06-2014, 04:04 PM
Jonas Siegel @jonasTSN1050
Ashton's will be enrolled in the NHL/NHLPA Program for Substance Abuse, Behavioral Health for evaluation and possible treatment.

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 04:08 PM
Damn, he looked really good the other night. Maybe pumped up on something, because he was the only Leafs player with any energy in the first half of the game.

LeafGm
11-06-2014, 04:12 PM
Well, shit. That's too bad.

I guess we're stuck with Frattin.

KingTucker
11-06-2014, 04:15 PM
Crazy that Ashton is this bad on PEDs.

:smilielol5:

My thoughts exactly. This game is super winnable for us. Avs are a worse possession team than we are and they're on their backup as well.

"The Avalanche (3-6-5) have lost two consecutive games in regulation while getting outshot by a combined 70-40. Players held a team meeting Tuesday after allowing five consecutive goals in a 5-2 loss to the Vancouver Canucks."

Avs have a winning record vs. TO overall but did manage to beat them (Well, THRILL beat them) earlier in the season.
Calling 4-3 Leafs (OT).

Bleedsblue&white
11-06-2014, 04:33 PM
It's probably coke.

I sure as **** hope not, this team has enough problems without dangling that in front of young millionaires.

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 05:03 PM
#freejosh

Killer93
11-06-2014, 08:46 PM
Rielly scratched....

hockeylover
11-06-2014, 08:57 PM
Rielly scratched....

... really!?

Killer93
11-06-2014, 08:59 PM
Yep Percy in for Rielly; pretty sick and tired of the same old shit from Randy

Leafin'
11-06-2014, 09:04 PM
Rielly sits tonight? Why?

da_next_kid
11-06-2014, 09:04 PM
Should be a win with or without Rielly, a dumbass decision regardless.

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 09:05 PM
Rielly scratched....

WTF?

Again, they can't fire Randy's ass soon enough. They might not care too much about this season, but this guy is completely toxic to developing young players.

hockeylover
11-06-2014, 09:08 PM
Nice start you useless ****tards.

CRL
11-06-2014, 09:08 PM
that was fast

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 09:08 PM
There's your first line and top pairing, ladies and gents. **** they can be awful.

Get Bozak and Phaneuf out of this town, asap.

hockeylover
11-06-2014, 09:09 PM
And Winnik's dead.

Fantastic...

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 09:09 PM
Shit, that looks bad.

Killer93
11-06-2014, 09:10 PM
1-0 down and winnik KOed; yep love being a fan of this team; hope hes okay

hockeylover
11-06-2014, 09:10 PM
This is really bad, he looks like he's in rough shape...

Eerie silence in the rink.

da_next_kid
11-06-2014, 09:10 PM
wow that looks horrible. Hoping Winnik is okay, he was completely out.

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 09:11 PM
He could have easily broken his neck there.

Good guy, let's all wish him well.

Killer93
11-06-2014, 09:11 PM
Hopefully this fires them up.....but likely they will coward away

WellPlayed
11-06-2014, 09:12 PM
The scary thing is I don't think he was out. It seems like he just couldn't move....

Killer93
11-06-2014, 09:12 PM
Yea that looks very ugly

leafman101
11-06-2014, 09:13 PM
That looked really bad.

CRL
11-06-2014, 09:14 PM
not looking good at all
at least he moved fingers so that is good sign

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 09:14 PM
The scary thing is I don't think he was out. It seems like he just couldn't move....

Yep, didn't see any movement in his legs or arms. Really bad shit.

CRL
11-06-2014, 09:16 PM
There's your first line and top pairing, ladies and gents. **** they can be awful.

Get Bozak and Phaneuf out of this town, asap.

you forgot Franson

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 09:18 PM
Apparently he was moving his fingers.

Killer93
11-06-2014, 09:20 PM
On a positive Percy looks solid early going

hockeylover
11-06-2014, 09:25 PM
Now Gardiner hurt... yikes.

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 09:25 PM
Leafs are fortunate it's not 2-0.

Great to see them bounce back after that sad showing in the desert.

Killer93
11-06-2014, 09:25 PM
Haha gonna be one of those nights; get Kessel off the ice lol

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 09:30 PM
James Mirtle retweeted
Leafs PR @LeafsPR 1m 1 minute ago

Daniel Winnik is alert and moving. He is currently being evaluated by the Leafs' team doctor. #TMLtalk

Good news.

CRL
11-06-2014, 09:30 PM
wow terrible defending but top pair

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 09:34 PM
I'm really souring on Phaneuf.

SundinsTooth
11-06-2014, 09:38 PM
and Phaneuf explodes his stick, natch.

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 09:38 PM
Bozak, Kessel, Panik ... does he just grab names from a hat?

CRL
11-06-2014, 09:40 PM
uncle Leo is on his game day in and day out, what a guy

CRL
11-06-2014, 09:42 PM
Snipes!

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 09:43 PM
Kessel with Kadri ... goal. Watch and learn, Randy.

hockeylover
11-06-2014, 09:43 PM
Thrill! Okay, now you got your confidence back you fragile *******s. Now go.

LeafGm
11-06-2014, 09:56 PM
Well, they had a bad start again, but recovered a hell of a lot quicker than they did against Phoenix. It's too bad our assist-starved Kadri didn't get an assist on that Kessel goal, because he made that whole rush happen.

Also, I really, really hope Winnik doesn't have a broken neck. That fall was pretty scary-looking.

zeke
11-06-2014, 09:56 PM
what a bizarre period.

good work getting their heads back in it at least, and a couple of clutch saves by bernie when they needed it most.

kadri's defensive game is on a whole new level this year. he's starting to take pride in it.

Leafin'
11-06-2014, 09:57 PM
Hopefully Gardiner isn't out either.

zeke
11-06-2014, 10:00 PM
Phaneuf 7:44 (23:12)
Franson 6:56 (20:48)

Polak 8:44 (26:12)
Percy 6:54 (20:42)

Robidas 6:57 (20:51)
Gardiner 3:07 (9:21)

LeafGm
11-06-2014, 10:05 PM
Hopefully Gardiner isn't out either.
He's officially not coming back tonight.

As for Winnik, he won't have to go to the hospital apparently. Great news.

zeke
11-06-2014, 10:05 PM
Bozak 6:21 (19:03)
vanryk 6:22 (10:06)
clarkson 4:51 (14:33)

kadri 4:30 (13:30)
kessel 5:33 (16:39)
winnik 0:14 (0:42)

holland 4:35 (13:45)
komo 6:42 (20:06)
santo 5:30 (16:30)

carrick 4:40 (14:00)
frattin 3:26 (10:18)
panik 3:10 (9:30)

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 10:11 PM
Appears Winnik is a smart cookie. If you think you've got a neck injury, don't move an inch.

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 10:12 PM
The first 13 minutes or so was possibly the worst play of the season, but they have rebounded. Still giving up a few too many sweet chances against.

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 10:14 PM
Amazing we're now leading this game. Avs do suck this year.

Deckie007
11-06-2014, 10:15 PM
Woot woot! Sweet tic tac toe.

KingTucker
11-06-2014, 10:16 PM
BOZAK!! Now don't give them the space back....and PLEASE don't reunite Bozak with Thrill.
And 2-2. :(

LeafGm
11-06-2014, 10:16 PM
Percy and Polak caught napping.

hockeylover
11-06-2014, 10:16 PM
Oh Leafs.

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 10:19 PM
Man, this team is just brutal to follow. Get us a new coach, pretty please!

LeafGm
11-06-2014, 10:21 PM
Berra sucks. We just need to get more shots on him.

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 10:36 PM
Leafs continue to give up JUICY chances.

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 10:43 PM
Great shift by Bozak. He's better without Kessel.

LeafGm
11-06-2014, 10:44 PM
That was some beautiful 5-5 dominance in the Colorado zone.

zeke
11-06-2014, 10:48 PM
Great shift by Bozak. He's better without Kessel.

yup. that was awesome.

what a weird fricken game this is, though. don't know what to make of it.

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 10:51 PM
Crazy-making game.

zeke
11-06-2014, 10:59 PM
bozak 12:25 (18:38) ----- 81.8%
vanryk 12:59 (19:39)
clarkson 12:04 (18:06)

kadri 10:12 (15:18) ----- 57.1%
kessel 11:08 (16:42)
panik 8:17 (12:26)

holland 11:01 (16:32) ----- 27.3%
komarov 13:37 (20:26)
santo 10:46 (16:09)

carrick 6:28 (9:42) ---- 40.0%
frattin 6:43 (10:05)
winnik 0:14 (0:21)



phaneuf 17:05 (25:38)
franson 14:21 (21:32)

polak 18:06 (27:09)
percy 14:10 (21:15)

robidas 13:29 (20:14)
gardiner 2:55 (4:23)

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 11:05 PM
This team is like a box of chocolates ... good luck figuring what to expect this period.

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 11:08 PM
Bernier with a BIG save.

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 11:11 PM
Holy ****, I just saw that they pay Carlyle $2M per ... vomit bag, please.

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 11:24 PM
Wow, Percy got schooled there.

hockeylover
11-06-2014, 11:25 PM
Sigh.

hockeylover
11-06-2014, 11:33 PM
Haven't really seen any comebacks from the team this year, have we?

hockeylover
11-06-2014, 11:37 PM
Well, well, well!

We do have a comeback in us!

KingTucker
11-06-2014, 11:37 PM
PANIK!!!

And thank you hockeylover! :D :D

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 11:37 PM
Well, they tied it. Brace yourselves.

LeafGm
11-06-2014, 11:37 PM
No need to Panik, the Leafs tie it!

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 11:38 PM
Haven't really seen any comebacks from the team this year, have we?

First game ... then promptly coughed up the winner off Percy's skate.

Deckie007
11-06-2014, 11:39 PM
https://31.media.tumblr.com/1e53a553ac167fcd0b8d7d3960bc86ce/tumblr_inline_n8mu84mUUJ1reu1xh.jpg

hockeylover
11-06-2014, 11:40 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a calmer, more carefree pest than Leo Komarov.

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 11:41 PM
Not sure why Robidas got one. Ignla has been begging for a roughing call for a while.

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 11:46 PM
I thought the offsetting minors didn't carry over into OT. Has that been changed or am I mistaken?

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 11:47 PM
Too bad Rielly is in the pressbox.

LeafGm
11-06-2014, 11:47 PM
Three on three. Crazy.

LeafGm
11-06-2014, 11:47 PM
Too bad Rielly is in the pressbox.
Rielly and Gardiner would be the ideal defense pair to throw out here.

Pronger84
11-06-2014, 11:48 PM
Too bad Rielly is in the pressbox.

Yea **** me that was the wrong call on randys end, if he wants to hold players accountable then discipline the ones who actually **** up...cough gardiner cough.

hockeylover
11-06-2014, 11:49 PM
Are you ****ing kidding me? Too many men in OT.

This team man.

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 11:49 PM
That is a BRUTAL call.

LeafGm
11-06-2014, 11:50 PM
That's a ridiculously chintzy call to make in OT.

LeafGm
11-06-2014, 11:50 PM
Ok, Bozak with the shorthanded goal. Let's go.

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 11:50 PM
Oh, I thought they call JVR for slashing. Rather, that's a brutal change.

C'mon Bernie.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
11-06-2014, 11:51 PM
Referees make up for it. 3-3

hockeylover
11-06-2014, 11:51 PM
Chintzky makeup call lol.

LeafGm
11-06-2014, 11:51 PM
Well, back to more three on three.

Just put Kadri, JVR and Kessel out there.

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 11:54 PM
Why does he go Bozak-Kessel in OT??? Bozak promptly coughs it up for the odd man rush.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
11-06-2014, 11:54 PM
Bozak you moron.

hockeylover
11-06-2014, 11:55 PM
This team requires more booze I think. I'll remember that for next time.

BeLeafer
11-06-2014, 11:56 PM
Kadri nailed to the bench for OT. Have I mentioned that I love Randy Carlyle?

LeafGm
11-06-2014, 11:59 PM
C'mon Bernier, make a save.

hockeylover
11-06-2014, 11:59 PM
Shitty.

BeLeafer
11-07-2014, 12:00 AM
Nice job, Bernie.

Feyd
11-07-2014, 12:00 AM
:facepalm:drink

BeLeafer
11-07-2014, 12:01 AM
Carlyle has a very unhealthy thing with Kadri. He needs to be fired, asap.

hockeylover
11-07-2014, 12:01 AM
Let's hope Lundqvist is as bad on Saturday as he was the last time we played them.

Volcanologist
11-07-2014, 12:01 AM
Too bad, that was a clutch goal by Panik.

Pronger84
11-07-2014, 12:03 AM
When will the leafs learn they have to play 60 minutes of hockey...they pissed away 3 points this road trip against very beatable teams.

BeLeafer
11-07-2014, 12:04 AM
Panik easily had his best game as a Leaf. Funny how guys can look better playing more than 4 minutes a night.

KingTucker
11-07-2014, 12:05 AM
Barf, The sad part is Reimer is actually better in the shootout.

BeLeafer
11-07-2014, 12:12 AM
I'm quickly reaching my limit of watching this team for this season. I'm not saying they'll continue to lose or even miss the playoffs. Watching Carlyle and his stupidity is just maddening. I may just tune out until they fire his ass.

Since the second period of the Hawks game, they have been a defensive horror show. Any signs of a new system working? The constant bad judgement on lineups, linemates and pairings is just too ugly to fathom. At least he can't play McSelke 20 minutes a night any longer, I guess.

Metalleaf
11-07-2014, 12:17 AM
I've had enough of Carlyle, scratching Rielly...****ing retard.

MindzEye
11-07-2014, 12:26 AM
I'm quickly reaching my limit of watching this team for this season. I'm not saying they'll continue to lose or even miss the playoffs. Watching Carlyle and his stupidity is just maddening. I may just tune out until they fire his ass.

Since the second period of the Hawks game, they have been a defensive horror show. Any signs of a new system working? The constant bad judgement on lineups, linemates and pairings is just too ugly to fathom. At least he can't play McSelke 20 minutes a night any longer, I guess.

The only reason McSelke isn't playing huge minutes for this team is because thankfully Randy had his toy taken away from him. Leo appears to be Randy's new toy that he'll over play given any ****ing excuse. I love Leo as much as anyone here, but when he's playing more than Kadri in 3 of the last 4 games, there's a problem.

Metalleaf
11-07-2014, 12:28 AM
Winnik is apparently fine, Kessel was nursing an injury and missed some shifts, Gardiner has a bone bruise but no break.

Pronger84
11-07-2014, 01:04 AM
I'm quickly reaching my limit of watching this team for this season. I'm not saying they'll continue to lose or even miss the playoffs. Watching Carlyle and his stupidity is just maddening. I may just tune out until they fire his ass.

Since the second period of the Hawks game, they have been a defensive horror show. Any signs of a new system working? The constant bad judgement on lineups, linemates and pairings is just too ugly to fathom. At least he can't play McSelke 20 minutes a night any longer, I guess.

I've been saying this to people bragging about how the leafs turned a corner despite playing shitty Buffalo team, a banged up jackets team... That they haven't they just played against very beatable teams, and it's funny how after a big win they think they can go back to half asking it out there and expect a win. Sorry but is is still the same mentally fragile team with issues that has been constant since game 7 of the Boston series...

As for carlyle what a moron is all I have to say for benching Rielly over gardiner.

MyNameIsJonas
11-07-2014, 01:05 AM
I've been saying this to people bragging about how the leafs turned a corner despite playing shitty Buffalo team, a banged up jackets team... That they haven't they just played against very beatable teams, and it's funny how after a big win they think they can go back to half asking it out there and expect a win. Sorry but is is still the same mentally fragile team with issues that has been constant since game 7 of the Boston series...

As for carlyle what a moron is all I have to say for benching Rielly over gardiner.

Speaking of mentally fragile...i can always count on you to induce a headache.

MindzEye
11-07-2014, 01:19 AM
There were what?.....7 players on the ice tonight that were around during that Boston series.

Learn to analyse.

zeke
11-07-2014, 07:48 AM
Annoying that randy's weird decision to bench rielly against a speedy team probably cost us this one. percy was partly to blame on the second goal and totally to blame for the third. he sruggled with their speed all night. and of course rielly's skating was sorely missed,especialy after jake went down.

weird game, but i think even though we were short a couple guys and had that disturbing winnik incident, we were the better team out there, especially in the last two periods.

This one only hurts because its on the heels of a really stupid loss to the yotes.

Killer93
11-07-2014, 07:59 AM
Rielly scratched, Kadri benched. Randy Carlyle folks

leafman101
11-07-2014, 08:02 AM
They battled back and scored a big goal late to steal a point. After the Winnik incident and losing Gardiner too. They played a solid game and lost in a shootout. Points are points.

And Holland had a great game. He was strong on the puck, and moving it really well. Kadri wasn't benched in OT there were just all those penalties, and Holland stole ice time from him. The Panik-Holland-Santorelli line was their best possession line last night, and they scored that big goal.

In fairness though there is way too much half asking going on.

rated
11-07-2014, 08:05 AM
Rielly and Gardiner are (suppose) to be the Leafs future on D and we're going to groom them into this role by benching them ?

CRL
11-07-2014, 08:40 AM
Rielly and Gardiner are (suppose) to be the Leafs future on D and we're going to groom them into this role by benching them ?

he cant bench Dion or any veterans, that is how he rules by benching easy targets - young guys

Habsy
11-07-2014, 08:44 AM
Rielly scratched, Kadri benched. Randy Carlyle folks
Therrien does the same crap. He was playing slow players and benching fast players while we were, or still are, slumping.

leafman101
11-07-2014, 09:13 AM
Rielly shouldn't have been a healthy scratch, but Gardiner and Rielly have been scratched for a combined 3 out of a possible 26 games.

Its not like those guys have sat very much.

zeke
11-07-2014, 09:26 AM
Gardiner deserved a scratch, but rielly's probably been our best dman on the year.

CaptainBolduke
11-07-2014, 09:47 AM
Rielly scratched, Kadri benched. Randy Carlyle folks

This isn't unique to Carlyle. Many coaches do this.

LeafGm
11-07-2014, 09:59 AM
They battled back and scored a big goal late to steal a point. After the Winnik incident and losing Gardiner too. They played a solid game and lost in a shootout. Points are points.

And Holland had a great game. He was strong on the puck, and moving it really well. Kadri wasn't benched in OT there were just all those penalties, and Holland stole ice time from him. The Panik-Holland-Santorelli line was their best possession line last night, and they scored that big goal.

In fairness though there is way too much half asking going on.
That's an odd excuse. Didn't Colorado's OT power-play last about 20 or 30 seconds before we got the even-up call?

Seems to me Kadri would have been a great guy to throw out during one of those extended three-on-three's.


Gardiner deserved a scratch, but rielly's probably been our best dman on the year.
It really can't be understated how truly stupid it was to bench Rielly, of all our defensemen, against Colorado, of all teams.

I really hope Shanahan gets off his ass sooner rather than later and acts. Even if the master plan is to drive a dump truck full of money up to Babcock's house at season's end, why go the full season with this chump behind the bench? Just fire him, and slap the interim tag on Horachek or Spott for the rest of the season.

leafman101
11-07-2014, 10:05 AM
That's an odd excuse. Didn't Colorado's OT power-play last about 20 or 30 seconds before we got the even-up call?

Seems to me Kadri would have been a great guy to throw out during one of those extended three-on-three's.


Holland was playing better than him though and took his shift with JVR.

Kadri got the second shift in OT, took the penalty, then Holland took is ice time away. Its not an excuse its just what happened.

LeafGm
11-07-2014, 10:13 AM
Holland was playing better than him though and took his shift with JVR.

Kadri got the second shift in OT, took the penalty, then Holland took is ice time away. Just what happened.
That's another odd excuse.

Overtime is five minutes long. Peter Holland getting a shift out there with JVR is all well and good, but there was still plenty of time to get Kadri out there.

Deckie007
11-07-2014, 10:21 AM
#Carlyled

leafman101
11-07-2014, 10:22 AM
Excuse, reason. Its just semantics. At the end of the day its just what happened. It went Bozak/Kessel, Kadri/JVR, PK, Holland/JVR, Santo/Komarov, Holland/Kessel, Bozak/JVR.

Kadri took a shift in OT. That shift ended when they took a penalty and went on the PK. Then Holland, who was having a better game than Kadri, took his next shift.

Isn't that what people want and keep going on and on about? Play the players that deserve it?

leafman101
11-07-2014, 10:31 AM
Leafs Forwards EV Corsi
1. Panik - 73.08%
2. Holland - 60.71%
3. Santorelli - 55.17%
4. Bozak - 55.00%
5. Clarkson - 51.43%
6. Kessel - 51.06%
7. JVR - 47.92%
8. Kadri - 47.50%
9. Komarov - 42.42%
10. Frattin -36.84%
11. Carrick - 33.33%
12. Winnik - N/A


Leafs Defensemen EV Corsi
1. Franson - 58.33%
2. Polak - 55.10%
3. Robidas - 55.17%
4. Percy - 47.50%
5. Phaneuf - 46.27%
6. Gardiner - 20.00%

Pronger84
11-07-2014, 10:40 AM
Rielly and Gardiner are (suppose) to be the Leafs future on D and we're going to groom them into this role by benching them ?

I'm all for benching a player when they **** up... No player is expendable but Rielly being scratched over gardiner makes zero sense to me. Gardiner was awful against Arizona, that blind pass he made to ganger I would have benched his ass right then and there, no excuse to make that type of play. Yet, instead of holding gardiner accountable he rewards him with ice time p, Rielly plays an ok game yet sees the pine... It's idiotic decisions like this that keep the leafs spinning in the wheel of mediocrity.

Pronger84
11-07-2014, 10:41 AM
he cant bench Dion or any veterans, that is how he rules by benching easy targets - young guys

sure he can if he wanted t, problem is carlyle lacks the balls to stand up to his most expensive players.

Pronger84
11-07-2014, 10:43 AM
There were what?.....7 players on the ice tonight that were around during that Boston series.

Learn to analyse.

And yet the same result... Being hemmed in their own end for long stretches, badly being out shot and puck possessed etc.

leafman101
11-07-2014, 10:44 AM
They weren't badly out shot or out possessed last night though.

leafman101
11-07-2014, 10:49 AM
2014-15
EV Corsi: 48.05% (25th)
EV Corsi Close: 49.50% (20th)

They are hovering just around the 50% mark, and have been a pretty average possession team so far this year. They are 9th in goals per game, 16th in goals against per game, 12th in PP, 11th in PK, 13th in faceoffs, 17th in points, 10th in save percentage, 14th in goal differential.

They have been an average team across the board so far this season.

LeafGm
11-07-2014, 10:53 AM
Excuse, reason. Its just semantics. At the end of the day its just what happened. It went Bozak/Kessel, Kadri/JVR, PK, Holland/JVR, Santo/Komarov, Holland/Kessel, Bozak/JVR.

Kadri took a shift in OT. That shift ended when they took a penalty and went on the PK. Then Holland, who was having a better game than Kadri, took his next shift.

Isn't that what people want and keep going on and on about? Play the players that deserve it?
First of all, it's pretty disigenous to flatly state that Kadri took a shift in OT. Kadri didn't take a shift in OT. He stepped on the ice for about a second, and then the refs blew the play dead on a "too many men" penalty that was so chintzy that they called another chintzy even-up penalty on Colorado almost immediately. That split second was the first and last time we saw him in overtime, in spite of the fact that Kadri set up our first goal with two great plays, and has a skill-set uniquely suited to 4-on-4 play (and even moreso to three-on-three play).

As for Holland, I'm loving the extra ice-time he's getting. It's a shame that it took a slew of injuries for our mental midget of a head coach to play him more than 3-5 minutes a game, but whatever the reasons, I'm glad that he's finally getting a legitimate opportunity. I'm also glad that you now also agree that he deserves more than a couple of shifts per game.

But this isn't an either/or proposition. Holland getting ice-time in OT does not preclude Kadri from getting out there as well. Unless, apparently, you're leafman101 or Randy Carlyle.

leafman101
11-07-2014, 10:54 AM
The only disingenuous thing is completely ignoring the fact that Carlyle put Kadri on the ice in OT.

He wasn't benched. He just fell on the depth chart. OT is only 5 minutes long and played with less players on the ice.

LeafGm
11-07-2014, 10:55 AM
Why did Kadri deserve to be benched?

leafman101
11-07-2014, 10:58 AM
Same reason Clarkson, Panik, Carrick and Frattin did I guess.

Pronger84
11-07-2014, 11:20 AM
They weren't badly out shot or out possessed last night though.

They were in the first before they decided to turn on the jets. Keep in mind this is Colorado they aren't exactly a solid defensive club, actually in a lot of ways they mirror the leafs.

MindzEye
11-07-2014, 11:23 AM
And yet the same result... Being hemmed in their own end for long stretches, badly being out shot and puck possessed etc.

Every team gets hemmed into their own zone, multiple times a game. And no, we're not being out shot/possessed nearly as bad as we used to be. There's a lot of weird mental fragility to this team when it gets scored on, but when you turn over 2/3rds of the roster and the new players get stricken by the same disease, you look for answers on a deeper level than the players on the ice.

zeke
11-07-2014, 11:34 AM
OT Shifts

Bozak: 2:05 (3 shifts)
Kessel: 2:02 (3 shifts)

Vanryk: 1:18 (3 shifts)
Komarov: 1:34 (2 shifts)

Holland: 1:16 (2 shifts)
Santorelli: 1:19 (1 shifts)

Kadri: 0:05 (1 shifts)
Frattin: 0:04 (1 shifts)

LeafGm
11-07-2014, 11:41 AM
Same reason Clarkson, Panik, Carrick and Frattin did I guess.
....that reason being, that our head coach is a clueless dinosaur well past his expiry date?

leafman101
11-07-2014, 11:49 AM
Yep. Thats the reason all players don't play in a five minute, mostly 3 on 3, OT period. Revolutionary stuff. You should blog on it, maybe a team will hire you.

leafman101
11-07-2014, 11:51 AM
They were in the first before they decided to turn on the jets. Keep in mind this is Colorado they aren't exactly a solid defensive club, actually in a lot of ways they mirror the leafs.

If you are expecting this team to play a perfect 60 minutes every night, where they are never outplayed for streaches you are just going to be disappointed.

Its not happening. Even the Blackhawks and Kings don't do that. And the Leafs aren't the Blackhawks or Kings.

They are a bubble playoff team, doing their bubble playoff team thing. This is what its going to be like all year.

LeafOfFaith
11-07-2014, 12:30 PM
OT Shifts

Bozak: 2:05 (3 shifts)
Kessel: 2:02 (3 shifts)

Vanryk: 1:18 (3 shifts)
Komarov: 1:34 (2 shifts)

Holland: 1:16 (2 shifts)
Santorelli: 1:19 (1 shifts)

Kadri: 0:05 (1 shifts)
Frattin: 0:04 (1 shifts)

For his sake, Carlyle should stay out of prison, the kid killer that he is.

Kadri, Gardiner, and even Rielly are all suffering under his reign of terr-ible coaching.

Why can't we get rid of this guy before he ruins our best assets??

JackBurton
11-07-2014, 01:04 PM
The coaching situation has been so frustrating for so many years.
Just fire him and make one of the assistants interim coach until you dump millions on Babcock's doorstep.

LeafGm
11-07-2014, 01:20 PM
Yep. Thats the reason all players don't play in a five minute, mostly 3 on 3, OT period. Revolutionary stuff. You should blog on it, maybe a team will hire you.
Someone else jokingly mentioned this before, but you really are Randy Carlyle's son, aren't you?

Don't worry buddy. I'm sure daddy will be able to get another job somewhere else when he's eventually fired.

Metalleaf
11-07-2014, 02:09 PM
Gardiner deserved a scratch, but rielly's probably been our best dman on the year.

This is why I didn't like the Rielly scratch, he's our 2nd best D thus far.

BeLeafer
11-07-2014, 03:47 PM
OT Shifts

Bozak: 2:05 (3 shifts)
Kessel: 2:02 (3 shifts)

Vanryk: 1:18 (3 shifts)
Komarov: 1:34 (2 shifts)

Holland: 1:16 (2 shifts)
Santorelli: 1:19 (1 shifts)

Kadri: 0:05 (1 shifts)
Frattin: 0:04 (1 shifts)

#ontheiceinOT

BeLeafer
11-07-2014, 03:55 PM
That's another odd excuse.

Overtime is five minutes long. Peter Holland getting a shift out there with JVR is all well and good, but there was still plenty of time to get Kadri out there.

What's even more odd is that he thinks Kadri's shift should have been with JVR. The person who ate up Kadri's ice time was not Holland but Bozak, who did a masterful job of his give-the-other-team-juicy-chances-while-watching-Phil routine.

Leafin'
11-07-2014, 04:07 PM
I don't see why people are ragging on Bozak so much. He was great in the offensive zone against the Avs.

Blueman
11-07-2014, 04:07 PM
To be fair, 2/5th's of the OT Kadri was in the penalty box. I'd also bench him for taking a penalty in OT, regardless of how chintzy.

leafman101
11-07-2014, 04:17 PM
#ontheiceinOT

Literally the only reason why Kadri didn't play more than 5 seconds in OT last night was Kadri.

BeLeafer
11-07-2014, 04:20 PM
The coach can put anyone he likes in the box for a too many men penalty. Classic Carlyle cut off your nose to spite your face.

BeLeafer
11-07-2014, 04:21 PM
To be fair, 2/5th's of the OT Kadri was in the penalty box. I'd also bench him for taking a penalty in OT, regardless of how chintzy.

No benching for Dion for taking a much more stupid penalty with time running out in a one-goal game.

leafman101
11-07-2014, 04:21 PM
He didn't put Kadri in the box. You will criticize anything eh?

BeLeafer
11-07-2014, 04:23 PM
He didn't put Kadri in the box. You will criticize anything eh?

I was going by what Blueman said ... I didn't actually notice who served it.

You will defend anything is more like it.

leafman101
11-07-2014, 04:25 PM
Nah, I'm just reasonable. I've crtiticized Carlyle plenty. In this thread specifically I said Rielly shouldn't have sat.

I just don't criticize anything and everything like some around here lately.

Blueman
11-07-2014, 04:25 PM
I was going by what Blueman said ...

That was your first mistake

LeafGm
11-07-2014, 04:26 PM
To be fair, 2/5th's of the OT Kadri was in the penalty box. I'd also bench him for taking a penalty in OT, regardless of how chintzy.
No it wasn't. Matt Frattin served the penalty.

EDIT: I see this point's already been addressed. Moving on....

BeLeafer
11-07-2014, 04:26 PM
That was your first mistake

Never again!

BeLeafer
11-07-2014, 04:28 PM
Nah, I'm just reasonable. I've crtiticized Carlyle plenty. In this thread specifically I said Rielly shouldn't have sat.

I just don't only criticize like some around here lately.

You are Mr. Lollipops and Roses. I often wonder if this is a natural Pollyannish condition or chemically-induced.

leafman101
11-07-2014, 04:31 PM
I literally just called the Leafs an inconsistent, average, bubble team on the last page.

The fact that has become Mr. Optimistic around here is the problem.

BeLeafer
11-07-2014, 04:33 PM
I literally just called the Leafs an inconsistent, average, bubble team on the last page.

Do you ever wonder why that might be? What I think you're taking as overly critical is people expounding on why they think this is the case.

leafman101
11-07-2014, 04:36 PM
Do you ever wonder why that might be? What I think you're taking as overly critical is people expounding on why they think this is the case.

Some of it, sure. There is nothing wrong with criticism.

Some of it is over the top too though.

BeLeafer
11-07-2014, 04:38 PM
Some of it, sure. There is nothing wrong with criticism.

Some of it is over the top too though.

What's over the top about saying Carlyle should have been playing Kadri in OT? Is is overly critical to observer that Bozak plays much better without Phil, but find it stupid that Carlyle keeps going back to that duo at the expense of Kadri? It seems self-evident to most, I think.

leafman101
11-07-2014, 04:45 PM
Nothing. He wasn't benched though. He played 17 minutes last night, and got a shift in OT that was cut down due solely to Kadri himself. And then Holland was rewarded with extra ice time because he outplayed Kadri last night.

BeLeafer
11-07-2014, 04:47 PM
Nothing. He wasn't benched though. He played 17 minutes last night, and got a shift in OT that was cut down due solely to Kadri himself. And then Holland was rewarded with extra ice time because he outplayed Kadri last night.

5 seconds. No, not a benching. Do you really believe this?

rated
11-07-2014, 06:19 PM
I don't see why people are ragging on Bozak so much. He was great in the offensive zone against the Avs.

Bozak has always been an escape goat for some people here.

hockeylover
11-07-2014, 06:25 PM
Bozak has always been an escape goat for some people here.

http://artgoats.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/escape-goat1-238x300.jpg

BeLeafer
11-07-2014, 06:32 PM
:lol

MindzEye
11-07-2014, 07:44 PM
http://artgoats.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/escape-goat1-238x300.jpg

I love the internet.

To address the concept of Bozak being an escape goat....it's mainly due to the impression most people (rightfully) having of Bozak being gifted his spot on the team because he's buddies with Kessel. He's been seen as a passenger on a Phil Kessel line and his stats when on his own (though of limited sample) have been very poor.

LeafOfFaith
11-07-2014, 08:46 PM
He's a very good player. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

You could point to every single player on the team doing much better with Phil than without.

MindzEye
11-07-2014, 08:54 PM
mediocre production away from Kessel, abysmal possession numbers away from Kessel. He's "looked" better without Kessel the last few games, but that's a really small sample.

Of course Kessel is going to make just about anyone better, but that's not what I'm saying. In his somewhat limited time away from Phil, his production and possession numbers fall off the ****ing map.

MyNameIsJonas
11-08-2014, 01:12 AM
I'd wager Matt Stajan from the Tower years puts up the same Bozak numbers with Phil.

Leafin'
11-08-2014, 01:42 AM
Bozek is a hell of a lot better than i thought he'd be when we originally got him. For that alone i like him for what he is. He's a good hockey player.

leafman101
11-08-2014, 09:46 AM
I'd wager Matt Stajan from the Tower years puts up the same Bozak numbers with Phil.

He did. He played with Kessel his last year in Toronto and scored at a 61 point pace. Only Stajan can play defense. That was Kessels only positive corsi year as a Leaf.

MyNameIsJonas
11-08-2014, 10:12 AM
He did. He played with Kessel his last year in Toronto and scored at a 61 point pace. Only Stajan can play defense. That was Kessels only positive corsi year as a Leaf.

And away from Kessell, Stajan is a 4th line C....much like Bozak probably is, minus the defense.

zeke
11-08-2014, 10:31 AM
bozak is top 30 in ppg in the entire league over this year and last.

22. thornton 0.91
23. datsyuk 0.89
24. spezza 0.89
25. krejci 0.88
26. toews 0.88
27. bozak 0.86
28. marleau 0.86
29. steen 0.86
30. parise 0.85
31. st.louis 0.85
32. stastny 0.84

JackBurton
11-08-2014, 10:41 AM
I have no issue with Bozak. Burke got him as a freebee. He's given the Leafs solid production.

MindzEye
11-08-2014, 10:59 AM
bozak is top 30 in ppg in the entire league over this year and last.

22. thornton 0.91
23. datsyuk 0.89
24. spezza 0.89
25. krejci 0.88
26. toews 0.88
27. bozak 0.86
28. marleau 0.86
29. steen 0.86
30. parise 0.85
31. st.louis 0.85
32. stastny 0.84

I bet Brenden Morrison slotted high on a list like this 10 years ago.

BeLeafer
11-08-2014, 11:00 AM
And away from Kessell, Stajan is a 4th line C....much like Bozak probably is, minus the defense.

Ya, those 17-18 minute/game fourth liners, eh.

BeLeafer
11-08-2014, 11:01 AM
bozak is top 30 in ppg in the entire league over this year and last.

22. thornton 0.91
23. datsyuk 0.89
24. spezza 0.89
25. krejci 0.88
26. toews 0.88
27. bozak 0.86
28. marleau 0.86
29. steen 0.86
30. parise 0.85
31. st.louis 0.85
32. stastny 0.84

Quick, get the email addresses of the other 29 GMs!

Deckie007
11-08-2014, 11:09 AM
bozak is top 30 in ppg in the entire league over this year and last.

22. thornton 0.91
23. datsyuk 0.89
24. spezza 0.89
25. krejci 0.88
26. toews 0.88
27. bozak 0.86
28. marleau 0.86
29. steen 0.86
30. parise 0.85
31. st.louis 0.85
32. stastny 0.84

Bozak = Toews

leafman101
11-08-2014, 11:12 AM
I think Kessel might be one of those elite talented offensive players that can actually make the players around them significantly better, like Crosby and Thornton.

Its not just Bozak. He did it with Stajan, JVR, Lupul, Kadri and everyone else he has played with here too. Joey Crabb. Come on.

Habspatrol
11-08-2014, 11:18 AM
Bozak = Toews

And of course there's a lot of people who say Toews is the best player in the world so.... Bozak>>Crosby

MindzEye
11-08-2014, 11:30 AM
I think Kessel might be one of those elite talented offensive players that can actually make the players around them significantly better, like Crosby and Thornton.

Its not just Bozak. He did it with Stajan, JVR, Lupul, Kadri and everyone else he has played with here too. Joey Crabb. Come on.

This.

If we paired Kessel with someone else elite, I have a feeling that we would have a Spezza/Heatley/Alfie, Bert/Naslund, Sedins, etc thing going on where Phil and his counterpart would start ringing up 95+ point seasons.

Deckie007
11-08-2014, 11:34 AM
And of course there's a lot of people who say Toews is the best player in the world so.... Bosak>>Crosby

We've been sitting on a gold mine.

zeke
11-08-2014, 11:41 AM
I bet Brenden Morrison slotted high on a list like this 10 years ago.

his two best years were 01/02 & 02/03. he ranked 37th.

of course, his linemates ranked 3rd and 4th on the list, while bozak's rank 10th and 59th.

zeke
11-08-2014, 11:42 AM
Bozak = Toews

bozie looked pretty good head to head all night with toews last game.

MindzEye
11-08-2014, 12:16 PM
his two best years were 01/02 & 02/03. he ranked 37th.

So extremely similar


of course, his linemates ranked 3rd and 4th on the list, while bozak's rank 10th and 59th.

So Bozak is a slightly better version of Brenden Morrisson. Gotcha.

MindzEye
11-08-2014, 12:24 PM
bozie looked pretty good head to head all night with toews last game.

9/10

That's good trolling right there folks, take notes.

PKForce81
11-08-2014, 12:31 PM
Then Leaf fans wonder why not many want to play here and why a few that go elsewhere end up doing better..in some cases much better..Steen is a great example.

With Bozak why would u even argue when sample away from phil is so small. Id love to bet someone that bozies numbers away would be at least the same or better. Too bad carlyle is so idiotic and wont do it for at least 15 or so games. Funny cause a lot of bozies goals also have little to do with phil..percy assisted 2 that i remember..he had quite a few on breakaway last season that was all him...i mean someone will have to feed you right? But anyways..

TimHorton
11-08-2014, 12:36 PM
Steen is a great example of getting raped by a coach and getting traded by an alzheimer's patient, I'll give you that.

MindzEye
11-08-2014, 12:59 PM
Then Leaf fans wonder why not many want to play here and why a few that go elsewhere end up doing better..in some cases much better..Steen is a great example.

What? What does this even mean?

zeke
11-08-2014, 01:45 PM
So extremely similar

So Bozak is a slightly better version of Brenden Morrisson. Gotcha.

do better at math.

MindzEye
11-08-2014, 01:48 PM
do better at math.

A little higher in the ppg rankings, with wingers that are a little worse = slightly better.

Deckie007
11-08-2014, 01:58 PM
Steen is a great example of getting raped by a coach and getting traded by an alzheimer's patient, I'll give you that.

LOL'd.

zeke
11-08-2014, 02:06 PM
A little higher in the ppg rankings, with wingers that are a little worse = slightly better.

how is 10th + 59th a "little worse" than 3rd + 4th?

MindzEye
11-08-2014, 02:38 PM
Law of diminishing returns.

BeLeafer
11-08-2014, 02:43 PM
As much as I want Kadri to be played with Kessel, I'm really keen on what Bozak can do without him. So far, he's looking like another dimension of his game could flourish. If that happens, he becomes far more valuable than before, both from a roster and trade asset pov.

Pronger84
11-08-2014, 04:50 PM
This.

If we paired Kessel with someone else elite, I have a feeling that we would have a Spezza/Heatley/Alfie, Bert/Naslund, Sedins, etc thing going on where Phil and his counterpart would start ringing up 95+ point seasons.

I think if phil ever started taking his off ice training and conditioning seriously he'd be up there in point totals with guys like Crosby, stamkos and Malkin. Kessel has all world skills (speed, shot, release, vison, abiltiy to break a game wide open) but he slacks off the ice and that imo is hindering him more so then having an elite centre.

Leafin'
11-08-2014, 04:56 PM
18 points in 13gp, Kessel says R-E-L-A-X.

Lets worry about getting more good players instead of worrying about Kessel.

MyNameIsJonas
11-08-2014, 05:01 PM
I think if phil ever started taking his off ice training and conditioning seriously he'd be up there in point totals with guys like Crosby, stamkos and Malkin. Kessel has all world skills (speed, shot, release, vison, abiltiy to break a game wide open) but he slacks off the ice and that imo is hindering him more so then having an elite centre.

It's like listening to an awful call in show, only...without voices or a host

MindzEye
11-08-2014, 05:01 PM
I think if phil ever started taking his off ice training and conditioning seriously he'd be up there in point totals with guys like Crosby, stamkos and Malkin. Kessel has all world skills (speed, shot, release, vison, abiltiy to break a game wide open) but he slacks off the ice and that imo is hindering him more so then having an elite centre.

Didn't Kessel finish in the top 3 in fitness testing during training camp?

Don't confuse being jacked looking with being fit. I know a whole bunch of body builder looking mother****ers who get gassed combing their hair.

Habspatrol
11-08-2014, 05:10 PM
Kessel is like Matt Stafford. They could work out like fiends and and still have chubby looking faces.

Bleedsblue&white
11-08-2014, 05:47 PM
http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seasons/last-3-nhl-seasons-players-stats.html

Funny, looking at that you'd almost think that Kessel matches up pretty well along Crosby, Stamkos and co.

rated
11-08-2014, 06:31 PM
http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seasons/last-3-nhl-seasons-players-stats.html

Funny, looking at that you'd almost think that Kessel matches up pretty well along Crosby, Stamkos and co.

It's good to see Kessel out scoring the complimentary player that is Patrick Kane.


Pronger you really need to check your facts before you go posting this stuff lol

Habspatrol
11-08-2014, 06:58 PM
http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seasons/last-3-nhl-seasons-players-stats.html

Funny, looking at that you'd almost think that Kessel matches up pretty well along Crosby, Stamkos and co.

He definitely appears to match up with well with anyone not named Crosby.

Volcanologist
11-08-2014, 07:00 PM
He's third in league scoring, well over a PPG, and a plus player...and still the lemmings complain.

Leaf fans piss me off sometimes.

Wayward DP
11-09-2014, 03:59 PM
He's third in league scoring, well over a PPG, and a plus player...and still the lemmings complain.

Leaf fans piss me off sometimes.

I'm convinced they prefer complaining 100% of the time.