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Aberdeen
04-30-2016, 07:30 PM
Do it.

http://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/sports/leafs/2014/05/14/maple_leafs_dion_phaneuf_will_remain_captain_says_ brendan_shanahan/brendan_shanahan.jpg.size.xxlarge.promo.jpg

MyNameIsJonas
04-30-2016, 07:31 PM
He looked pissed, thinks he wants to be a Coyote

Aberdeen
04-30-2016, 07:32 PM
Damn I typed his first name wrong, can a mod fix?

leaffan2005
04-30-2016, 07:32 PM
You can always come back Jonas. The Hawks are out and the Leafs are looking good going forward. Nobody would blame you.

And I don't think this changes our pursuit of Stammer at all. Nylander and Marner were likely always going to start on the wing and are likely better suited for it according to many hockey experts.

Habspatrol
04-30-2016, 07:34 PM
Congrats Leaf fans.

Oh yeah... and **** you.

blkngldbabe
04-30-2016, 07:34 PM
From what I've heard, he's pretty stiff in interviews and such for the most part anyways. Leaves the excitement for on the ice.

blkngldbabe
04-30-2016, 07:35 PM
Congrats Leaf fans.

Oh yeah... and **** you.

Thank you, thank you. And back at ya sunshine.

Deckie007
04-30-2016, 07:35 PM
Toews 2.0 ?

CH1
04-30-2016, 07:35 PM
He's uncomfortable answering banal questions at 3:30 AM with a 5 second time delay. The rest of his game is stellar.

Aberdeen
04-30-2016, 07:36 PM
Congrats Leaf fans.

Oh yeah... and **** you.
Can you fix the thread title for me?

Deckie007
04-30-2016, 07:36 PM
He's uncomfortable answering banal questions at 3:30 AM with a 5 second time delay. The rest of his game is stellar.

**** I knew he had a weakness.

Cory_BSF
04-30-2016, 07:36 PM
Marner is a winger has barely played centre in Jr.

Habspatrol
04-30-2016, 07:36 PM
Can you fix the thread title for me?

I already had before you asked.

Aberdeen
04-30-2016, 07:37 PM
I already had before you asked.
Much appreciated

LeafGm
04-30-2016, 07:37 PM
So, if we also get Stamkos, who plays the wing?

Matthews, Kadri, Stamkos or Nylander?

And you'd have to think this pretty much seals Tyler Bozak's fate. He's getting dealt at the draft now.

MindzEye
04-30-2016, 07:38 PM
Marner is a winger has barely played centre in Jr.

at this point, who cares? Stamkos-Matthews-Kadri. The pond is fully stocked. Someone has to play wing.

Aberdeen
04-30-2016, 07:38 PM
So, if we also get Stamkos, who plays the wing?

Matthews, Kadri, Stamkos or Nylander?

And you'd have to think this pretty much seals Tyler Bozak's fate. He's getting dealt at the draft now.
Nylander I would think

Cojo
04-30-2016, 07:38 PM
And you'd have to think this pretty much seals Tyler Bozak's fate. He's getting dealt at the draft now.

Yes, please - lets move our late pick up and take a D or Goalie

Cojo
04-30-2016, 07:40 PM
I also love that our projected lines has no diamond in the rough. They are all high picks/blue chippers. If we have any luck with any of Hunter's other picks we are gold.

Aberdeen
04-30-2016, 07:41 PM
Do we automatically have the best prospect system in the league?

JackBurton
04-30-2016, 07:42 PM
He looked pissed, thinks he wants to be a Coyote

First time that has been said.

JackBurton
04-30-2016, 07:43 PM
Do we automatically have the best prospect system in the league?

Yes. And that's before we pick all the other players.

rated
04-30-2016, 07:43 PM
First time that has been said.

It's going to be the new thing to say every year.

JackBurton
04-30-2016, 07:44 PM
This has been a strange year. EVERYTHING fell into place.

Metalleaf
04-30-2016, 07:44 PM
Jonas' hot takes are funny.

LeafGm
04-30-2016, 07:47 PM
This has been a strange year. EVERYTHING fell into place.

http://i.imgur.com/D8V6tUL.jpg

CH1
04-30-2016, 07:52 PM
Looking back, the Clarkson signing was the best thing to happen to you guys. Like a heroin addict hitting rock bottom and accepting that big changes need to be made.

Aberdeen
04-30-2016, 07:54 PM
https://giant.gfycat.com/SecondaryIncompatibleIbisbill.gif

MindzEye
04-30-2016, 07:55 PM
Do we automatically have the best prospect system in the league?

Yes, but funny enough, the Jets are one of the teams in the conversation and they're getting Laine....so it's still close. We have Nylander, Marner & Matthews up at the top of our group, which is insanely good...the Jets have Ehlers, Laine, & Connor, which is also really, really good.

Habspatrol
04-30-2016, 07:57 PM
I don't think there's any doubt that Matthews wanted the Coyotes to win the lottery. But he had to know it was unlikely and he'd be going elsewhere. There's no reason to think he's disappointed that the Leafs won (outside of the fact it wasn't PHO.) I assume he's as happy with the Leafs as anyone besides the Yotes.

JackBurton
04-30-2016, 07:57 PM
It's fitting after all the years of crappy southern teams taking Toronto guys, we draft an Arizona kid.

Bleedsblue&white
04-30-2016, 08:01 PM
You can always come back Jonas.

No he can't.

Kritter
04-30-2016, 08:03 PM
It has been a downright nightmare to be a Leaf fan since that 10 minutes of the 3rd period in game 7 against the Bruins.

The last 12 months, starting with the Clarkson trade, so much as gone right for this organisation.
Babcock, Lou, trading Phaneuf, Kessel, Marner, emergence of Nylander, Zaitsev, Vessey maybe, and now Matthews.... If Stamkos comes here it will be a an absolutely phenomenal year and a half stretch.

hockeylover
04-30-2016, 08:12 PM
Do we automatically have the best prospect system in the league?

Yes. I may be drunk but yes.

rated
04-30-2016, 08:28 PM
I really want to see Marner on Matthews wing.

rated
04-30-2016, 08:29 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/matthews-on-possibility-of-joining-maple-leafs~860180

LeafOfFaith
04-30-2016, 09:11 PM
In his first interview after the lottery, he says "mixed emotions."

Ugh.

MindzEye
04-30-2016, 09:13 PM
In his first interview after the lottery, he says "mixed emotions."

Ugh.

You're honestly not doing this, are you?

Aberdeen
04-30-2016, 09:13 PM
Watch the tsn one just posted, and stfu with this negativity.... If you can't be happy now.

Metalleaf
04-30-2016, 09:20 PM
He did an interview at 3:30
Am Finland time and had to chat with ****ing Darren Millard.

CH1
04-30-2016, 09:22 PM
"mixed emotions" is what his script doctor told him to say; a little nod to his Arizona homies

LeafOfFaith
04-30-2016, 09:26 PM
You're honestly not doing this, are you?

Doing what?

It isn't justified to want the player to be like Marner who said it would be a dream come true if the Leafs took him, rather than say he had mixed emotions when it's all but certain he's coming to Toronto?

Look, I'm a little bit less excited than I should be. Don't overblow it and mischaracterize it into my supposedly saying Matthews sucks or I don't want him or something.

leafman101
04-30-2016, 09:27 PM
He's not a Leaf yet. He can't say that.

mbow30
04-30-2016, 09:29 PM
the last time mats sundin played for the leafs auston matthews was 10 years old.

doubt he spent his childhood dreaming of playing for one of the worst teams in the league, in a city that's a 4 hour flight from his home.

mitch marner grew up in toronto and has worn 93 since he was 5. you can't compare them.

LeafOfFaith
04-30-2016, 09:29 PM
Sure he can. Marner and Strome both did well prior to their draft, and it wasn't certain at all that either of them would get picked by us.

There's nothing wrong with saying it would be a dream to play for the team that almost assuredly is taking you, and then say but it would be a dream to play for any team in the NHL.

How much flack to this very day does McDavid get for his reaction on Edmonton winning his lottery? Matthews wasn't like him of course, but Toronto isn't exactly Edmonton either.

LeafOfFaith
04-30-2016, 09:31 PM
the last time mats sundin played for the leafs auston matthews was 10 years old.

doubt he spent his childhood dreaming of playing for one of the worst teams in the league, in a city that's a 4 hour flight from his home.

mitch marner grew up in toronto and has worn 93 since he was 5. you can't compare them.

I would never expect Matthews to have cared about the Leafs, regardless of what age and how the Leafs were faring at the time.

It's just natural that if you grow up in a city, you'll want to play for your childhood team. Marner grew up a Leaf, Matthews grew up a Yote.

mbow30
04-30-2016, 09:31 PM
he got zero flack until yesterday.

MindzEye
04-30-2016, 09:31 PM
Doing what?

It isn't justified to want the player to be like Marner who said it would be a dream come true if the Leafs took him, rather than say he had mixed emotions when it's all but certain he's coming to Toronto?

When the kid is from Phoenix, no it's not justified...worse than that, it doesn't ****ing matter. Crosby didn't grow up a Pens fan, Toews didn't grow up a Hawks fan, Kopitar didn't grow up a Kings fan. Build a good, competitive hockey team, and pay him and he'll never want to leave.


Look, I'm a little bit less excited than I should be. Don't overblow it and mischaracterize it into my supposedly saying Matthews sucks or I don't want him or something.

It's silly. We just landed the best prospect the franchise has had in the modern era. Probably the best we've had since Sittler, and maybe longer than that. You're not thrilled because against all common sense and examples around the league to the contrary, he might not want to stay here his entire career. Because a 18 yr old kid being interviewed at 3 AM in the morning on a day where he doesn't even know if the Leafs have drafted him, is expected to answer questions like he's been drafted by the Leafs.

At the stage we're in as a franchise, if you can't get excited about this, you can't get excited about anything. If you would have been more excited with getting 2nd, you're mental. This is ****ing fantastic.

mbow30
04-30-2016, 09:32 PM
notably, he did take today to comment on the importance of signing jvr to a long term extension.

CH1
04-30-2016, 09:33 PM
The glass is .000001% empty

MindzEye
04-30-2016, 09:33 PM
notably, he did take today to comment on the importance of signing jvr to a long term extension.

Who did not grow up a Toronto Maple Leaf fan

LeafOfFaith
04-30-2016, 09:34 PM
When the kid is from Phoenix, no it's not justified...worse than that, it doesn't ****ing matter. Crosby didn't grow up a Pens fan, Toews didn't grow up a Hawks fan, Kopitar didn't grow up a Kings fan. Build a good, competitive hockey team, and pay him and he'll never want to leave.



It's silly. We just landed the best prospect the franchise has had in the modern era. Probably the best we've had since Sittler, and maybe longer than that. You're not thrilled because against all common sense and examples around the league to the contrary, he might not want to stay here his entire career. Because a 18 yr old kid being interviewed at 3 AM in the morning on a day where he doesn't even know if the Leafs have drafted him, is expected to answer questions like he's been drafted by the Leafs.

At the stage we're in as a franchise, if you can't get excited about this, you can't get excited about anything. If you would have been more excited with getting 2nd, you're mental. This is ****ing fantastic.

It is fantastic. And the fact that we already have Marner in the fold, and likely Stammer, negates much of the sentiment I have on this subject, because Matthews isn't the Sundin of our team, i.e., one elite guy surrounded by non-elites. Matthews will be one of a handful of elites.

It should be fun.

mbow30
04-30-2016, 09:34 PM
or in canada

rated
04-30-2016, 09:35 PM
if we pick Matthews he will more than likely be our best player for a number of years.

KingTucker
04-30-2016, 09:35 PM
Congrats Leaf fans.

Oh yeah... and **** you.

I'm glad we are finally getting some hate, but it will be better once we start winning and doing more than stealing the odd points in the standings. Feels good though, finally a legit #1 centre, and two if we land Stamkos.

LeafOfFaith
04-30-2016, 09:36 PM
notably, he did take today to comment on the importance of signing jvr to a long term extension.

As I said, I got no problem with Americans on the team.

But I have always had an aversion to an American being the undisputed best player that we build around. Take Kessel for example, who I said this about when we traded for him. That ended well.

JVR is just a complementary piece, and one that I really like. He's not the face of the franchise.

leafman101
04-30-2016, 09:38 PM
There's nothing wrong with saying it would be a dream to play for the team that almost assuredly is taking you, and then say but it would be a dream to play for any team in the NHL.

He said that. He said it would be really special because Toronto is the Mecca of hockey and Babcock.

mbow30
04-30-2016, 09:38 PM
jvr-stamkos-nylander
michaelk-matthews-soshnikov
leo-kadri-marner
laich-froese-hyman

CH1
04-30-2016, 09:38 PM
You can sign Carey Price in two years for your quota of Canadian star content.

LeafOfFaith
04-30-2016, 09:39 PM
He said that. He said it would be really special because Toronto is the Mecca of hockey and Babcock.

I haven't seen that one. I only saw the one right after the lottery.

Good to hear.

mbow30
04-30-2016, 09:39 PM
As I said, I got no problem with Americans on the team.

But I have always had an aversion to an American being the undisputed best player that we build around. Take Kessel for example, who I said this about when we traded for him. That ended well.

JVR is just a complementary piece, and one that I really like. He's not the face of the franchise.

kessel's problem wasn't that he's american. it's that he's kessel.

rated
04-30-2016, 09:39 PM
He said that. He said it would be really special because Toronto is the Mecca of hockey and Babcock.

and apparently he has a lot of interest in our Lou

LeafOfFaith
04-30-2016, 09:39 PM
You can sign Carey Price in two years for your quota of Canadian star content.

The Habs thing is a no-no.

mbow30
04-30-2016, 09:41 PM
just read a quote from a scout who says eichel doesn't hold a candle to matthews, and matthews would have been the clear #2 in 2015 if he was born on sept 15.

CH1
04-30-2016, 09:43 PM
The Habs thing is a no-no.

What if he told Strombo on national TV that he was really a Leafs fan all this time. Would it make you feel better?

number17
04-30-2016, 09:44 PM
I fully expect Matthews to have 'mixed emotion' about Toronto winning the lottery and most likely drafting him. This is normal. He grew up a Yotes fan (as rare as they are) and he's 17.

And for the reason reason Crosby didn't leave Pittsburgh when he had a chance to turn UFA, or the same reason Toews is staying long term in Chicago, or the same reason Thornton didn't try to leave SJ ... or, to a much lesser extent, Kadri just signed a 6 years deal with Toronto despite growing up a Habs fan, all that doesn't matter as long as management, the coach, and the rest of the players build this into a team he can fall in love with.

And I have total confidence in this management group that in 3, 4 years time, Toronto is a team where other players wanna come to play for, and existing players would take less $$ to stay here. When things get rolling in T.O., there's no better place to be than here for hockey players.

rated
04-30-2016, 09:45 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/video/babcock-we-re-trending-in-the-right-direction~860237

CH1
04-30-2016, 09:46 PM
I fully expect Matthews to have 'mixed emotion' about Toronto winning the lottery and most likely drafting him. This is normal. He grew up a Yotes fan (as rare as they are) and he's 17.

And for the reason reason Crosby didn't leave Pittsburgh when he had a chance to turn UFA, or the same reason Toews is staying long term in Chicago, or the same reason Thornton didn't try to leave SJ ... or, to a much lesser extent, Kadri just signed a 6 years deal with Toronto despite growing up a Habs fan, all that doesn't matter as long as management, the coach, and the rest of the players build this into a team he can fall in love with.

And I have total confidence in this management group that in 3, 4 years time, Toronto is a team where other players wanna come to play for, and existing players would take less $$ to stay here. When things get rolling in T.O., there's no better place to be than here for hockey players.

Players generally fall in love with the team that made them a millionaire first.

number17
04-30-2016, 09:47 PM
Players generally fall in love with the team that made them a millionaire first.Exactly. And T.O. is not THAT hard for a city to fall in love with. It isn't EDM or BUF we're talking about here.

MindzEye
04-30-2016, 09:51 PM
just read a quote from a scout who says eichel doesn't hold a candle to matthews, and matthews would have been the clear #2 in 2015 if he was born on sept 15.

That's my opinion. Similar skill/size packages with Eichel being an overall average skater (fast, but awkward, not very agile) and Matthews being a very high end skater. Will make a big difference imo.

mbow30
04-30-2016, 09:52 PM
i don't get why people are worried about matthews bolting in 7 years. crosby, toews, doughty, etc. all won their cups in their first 7 seasons. if the leafs haven't, at the very least, been to a cup final within the next 7 years.... then they're probably better off letting the guy walk.

mbow30
04-30-2016, 09:53 PM
That's my opinion. Similar skill/size packages with Eichel being an overall average skater (fast, but awkward, not very agile) and Matthews being a very high end skater. Will make a big difference imo.

it's high priase. even if he's JUST an eichel, eichel put up a 25 goal 60 point rookie season, as a teenager. i'll take that.

leafman101
04-30-2016, 10:04 PM
Age 17
Auston Matthews - USNDPU18 - 20 gp, 12 gls, 17 pts, 0.85 ppg -- - USNDPU17 - 24 gp, 12 gls, 33 pts, 1.38 ppg -- - U18 - 7 gp, 5 gl, 7 pts, 1 ppg
Jack Eichel - USNDPU18 - 22 gp, 10 gls, 18 pts, 0.82 ppg -- - USNDPU17 - 36 gp, 19 gls, 34 pts, 0.94 ppg -- - U18 - 7 gp, 1 gl, 2 pts, 0.29 ppg

Age 17
Auston Matthews - USNDP - 60 gp, 55 gls, 116 pts, 1.93 ppg -- - U18 - 7 gp, 8 gls, 15 pts, 2.14 ppg -- - U20 - 5 gp, 1 gl, 3 pts, 0.6 ppg
Jack Eichel - USNDP - 53 gp, 35 gls, 87 pts, 1.64 ppg -- - U18 - 7 gp, 5 gls, 10 pts, 1.42 ppg -- - U20 - 5 gp, 1 gl, 5 pts, 1.0 ppg

Age 18
Auston Matthews - U20 - 7 gp, 7 gls, 11 pts, 1.57 ppg
Jack Eichel -U20 - 5 gp, 1 gl, 4 pts, 0.9 ppg

He's been better at every level.

Montana
04-30-2016, 10:21 PM
Age 17
Auston Matthews - USNDP - 60 gp, 55 gls, 116 pts, 1.93 ppg
Jack Eichel - USNDP - 53 gp, 35 gls, 87 pts, 1.64 ppg


That's the big one for me.....in the most recent worthwhile data set we have, where we can compare the two....he absolutely crushed him.


While also being the superior two-way player (imo).

Hoss
04-30-2016, 10:24 PM
The leafs have that hockey trainer guy that already works with Matthews. He has worked with Tavares, and other big stars. Works on making players so nimble on their feet that they are unpredictable.

What I love about having a Matthews, is that he can play next year. We don't have to wait. And I can't bet but hope that we have ourselves a combo of Kane and Toews in Marner and Matthews. Then throw on top of that a Stamkos!!! You can trade Bozak and whatever for a Dman or Goalie (Bozak and Bernier) for Varlamov and then hope Zaitsev surprises the hell out of people and this leaf team is fighting for 7th and 8th easily.

Matrim
04-30-2016, 11:00 PM
What a great way to end a perfect rebuild season. Everything went exactly how we wanted, which is just remarkable.

Matthews is going to be amazing!

BeLeafer
04-30-2016, 11:25 PM
A true #1 centre and piles of skilled wingers to slot in. It won't be long.

Metalleaf
04-30-2016, 11:30 PM
What if he told Strombo on national TV that he was really a Leafs fan all this time. Would it make you feel better?

No, the taint has already spread too far.

Preston_Mizzi
05-01-2016, 12:07 AM
Never have I been more ashamed that some of you think I'm dumber than LOF. Holy Lord. First the guy pretty much gambled his life savings that the Leafs wouldn't get the pick. Uhhhh they had a 20% chance you moron.. And now he's mad that Matthews didn't whip his cock out and ejaculate all over the camera in his interview... Huh?

With that said, Matthews is amazing. He's about an Eichel level prospect, I would hesitate to call him better. But uh... That's pretty ****ing amazing. Him and Willy should be 50 point men next year with potential for more. Two pretty solid players injected into the lineup.

As for Stamkos.. Let's not bet on him. I really have a hard time keeping my mouth shut on these secret things but.. Let's not bet on him.

Preston_Mizzi
05-01-2016, 12:08 AM
As for the other retarded thing that LOF said in his concerns that Laine might be better.. What if Provorov or Hanifin are better than the Toronto born Marner? Do we care?

Jeremy
05-01-2016, 12:09 AM
just read a quote from a scout who says eichel doesn't hold a candle to matthews, and matthews would have been the clear #2 in 2015 if he was born on sept 15.
Matthews = Generational Talent

leafman101
05-01-2016, 02:02 AM
Speaking of wanting Toronto-born Leafs fans leading the team, Shanny spent the night re-tweeting Leafs fans reactions to winning the lottery. Toronto-born Leafs fan is running the team.

Jeremy
05-01-2016, 02:08 AM
Speaking of wanting Toronto-born Leafs fans leading the team, Shanny spent the night re-tweeting Leafs fans reactions to winning the lottery. Toronto-born Leafs fan is running the team.And he prolly doesn't give a shit where our players are from. Maybe Matthews ends up a better fit in the 6ix than McDavid.

leafman101
05-01-2016, 08:26 AM
Marc Crawford on Matthews impact as a rookie:


"He's really really good. I've had the benefit of having some great players at the same age and he's by far the best I've had."

The list of notible rookies Marc Crawford has coached:
Peter Forsberg
Daniel Sedin
Henrik Sedin
Anze Kopitar
Jamie Benn

Jeremy
05-01-2016, 02:49 PM
Matthews says playing in Toronto would be pretty exciting and special.

https://youtu.be/QLkD_633wWM

Jeremy
05-01-2016, 03:14 PM
Auston frickin Matthews is going to be a Maple Leaf!

Hoss
05-01-2016, 03:39 PM
Just watching some videos of Matthews and how the leafs were one number short last year for McDavid......

I would love for McDavid to go to Oilers management and tell them that he wants to be a leaf badly so do something now.

Is there a world or possibility, that the leafs could offer Auston Matthews and either a Dman or even Pittsburgh's pic for McDavid.

I know it's hilarious, but I bet Lou and Shanny will look at calling Chiarelli just to start a conversation.

LeafGm
05-01-2016, 03:58 PM
Just watching some videos of Matthews and how the leafs were one number short last year for McDavid......

I would love for McDavid to go to Oilers management and tell them that he wants to be a leaf badly so do something now.

Is there a world or possibility, that the leafs could offer Auston Matthews and either a Dman or even Pittsburgh's pic for McDavid.

I know it's hilarious, but I bet Lou and Shanny will look at calling Chiarelli just to start a conversation.
I know Chiarelli has a history of trading away elite young talent stupidly early in their NHL careers...but c'mon. If he tried to trade McDavid one year into his NHL career, Daryl Katz would fire him on the spot. And on McDavid's end, he doesn't seem like the kind of kid who would rock the boat like that.

The best we can hope for is that, like Stamkos, he doesn't sign a long-term contract extension that eats up a bunch of his UFA years. And that maybe, in six years time, he decides to leave Edmonton and come here.

In the intervening years though, just look forward to watching Matthews, Marner, Nylander & hopefully Stamkos wearing Leaf jerseys.

number17
05-01-2016, 03:59 PM
Just watching some videos of Matthews and how the leafs were one number short last year for McDavid......

I would love for McDavid to go to Oilers management and tell them that he wants to be a leaf badly so do something now.

Is there a world or possibility, that the leafs could offer Auston Matthews and either a Dman or even Pittsburgh's pic for McDavid.

I know it's hilarious, but I bet Lou and Shanny will look at calling Chiarelli just to start a conversation.Nah. THat ship has sailed.

Our chance at McDavid is in 7 years time (6, I guess) ... no way Oilers trade a generational talent, or let him walk ... and the only way McDavid leaves EDM is

1. EDM continues to really suck for the next 6 years and,
2. EDM mismanages their cap and $$ becomes a factor when McDavid's FA negotiation comes up, and
3. McDavid doesn't jive with the coaching situation in EDM by then

I mean, the Stamkos situation is RARE, and even now there's no guarantee he will leave Tampa. He can easily sign an extension with Tampa just before July 1.

Leafin'
05-01-2016, 04:03 PM
The thing i like about Auston Matthews(besides everything) is that he's built like a tank. This isn't a skinny, lanky kid. He will play a heavy game that we absolutely have a need for with the types of prospects in our prospect pool. He will come in to the NHL next season and immediately be able to use his body to win puck battles and drive the net.

"Auston 2016 says i just whooped your ass!"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXSn1cPz9eg

Any time he scores a goal.:worshippy:

number17
05-01-2016, 04:03 PM
I know Chiarelli has a history of trading away elite young talent stupidly early in the NHL career...but c'mon. If he tried to trade McDavid one year into his NHL career, Daryl Katz would fire him on the spot. And on McDavid's end, he doesn't seem like the kind of kid who would rock the boat like that.

The best we can hope for is that, like Stamkos, he doesn't sign a long-term contract extension that eats up a bunch of his UFA years. And that maybe, in six years time, he decides to leave Edmonton and come here.

In the intervening years though, just look forward to watching Matthews, Marner, Nylander & hopefully Stamkos wearing Leaf jerseys.Yes, what I think too.

And here's the thing - as much as I'd love a generational talent like McDavid to wear the blue and white, the truth is, generational talent does not guarantee cup.

Crosby has only won exactly 1 cup in his career, and you can't exactly say he's a lock to win another one with the Pens in the foreseeable future. Ovechkin has not won a cup yet, and in fact has not even appeared in the cup finals yet. Lindros? Did all he could for the Flyers in his prime, could not win a cup all by himself.

So having the best player doesn't make you the best team automatically. Having the right CORE, OTOH, is huge. Look at Chicago with Kane, Toews ... Or LA with Doughty, Kopitar. We may not have generational talent in AM, Nylander, Marner and Rielly, but they can make up a very solid core in 4-5 years time.

Leafin'
05-01-2016, 04:05 PM
I don't know if the Stamkos situation will be THAT(:thumbsup(22):) rare when John Tavares takes a hometown discount to come here.

Stamkos - Tavares - Marner
JVR - Matthews - Nylander

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

number17
05-01-2016, 04:15 PM
I wouldn't bet on Tavares coming here ... YET. It takes a lot of miscues on NYI management's part for Tavares to consider leaving the team that he captains. Plus, think about this - in 2 years time, if Stamkos is already here (and forget about him becoming a W ... part of the reason he would come here is if both him and Babs understand he is a C) and AM has developed into an up and coming offensive C ... there is simply no icetime for Tavares here.

But even without Tavares, with Stamkos - Matthews - Nylander - Kadri down the middle ... that's as good as any group of C's in the league!

Leafin'
05-01-2016, 04:18 PM
I wouldn't bet on Tavares coming here ... YET. It takes a lot of miscues on NYI management's part for Tavares to consider leaving the team that he captains. Plus, think about this - in 2 years time, if Stamkos is already here (and forget about him becoming a W ... part of the reason he would come here is if both him and Babs understand he is a C) and AM has developed into an up and coming offensive C ... there is simply no icetime for Tavares here.

But even without Tavares, with Stamkos - Matthews - Nylander - Kadri down the middle ... that's as good as any group of C's in the league!

Stamkos swallows some pride for the greater good of winnign and makes a move to the LW where he would be downright nasty playing beside Tavares.

I'm obviously just making stuff up as i don't see the Leafs becoming the Miami heat of a few years ago where superstars take less money to join.

number17
05-01-2016, 04:29 PM
No I DO think the Leafs will become the Wings of the early 2000's - where players take slightly less $$ to play for because of Babs, because of the team is on an upswing, and because TO is the best player a hockey player can be when things are going well.

But players like Tavares tend to stay where they are. It's the same reason Crosby isn't going to the Habs, and same reason Thornton isn't coming here.

Also, the Islanders are no longer the joke of the league, and realistically if we do get Stamkos we'll be pretty deep down the middle so there's really not enough icetime to share.

Leafin'
05-01-2016, 04:56 PM
What part of LW do you not understand?

(kidding)

MindzEye
05-01-2016, 05:00 PM
The thing i like about Auston Matthews(besides everything) is that he's built like a tank. This isn't a skinny, lanky kid. He will play a heavy game that we absolutely have a need for with the types of prospects in our prospect pool. He will come in to the NHL next season and immediately be able to use his body to win puck battles and drive the net.

"Auston 2016 says i just whooped your ass!"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXSn1cPz9eg

Any time he scores a goal.:worshippy:

I really hope that something like Stone Cold catches on as a nickname and not something gay like Auston Powers or some shit.

We need a gif of Matthews face on Stone Cold's body giving stunners

Montana
05-01-2016, 05:07 PM
Vines of his goals with Jim Ross screaming various "Austin" calls is what I had in mind last night after we won......throw some breaking glass intro music on it, and you got yourself a viral meme for sure.

Metalleaf
05-01-2016, 05:51 PM
Gifs >>

http://im.ezgif.com/tmp/ezgif-1439464176.gif

Leafin'
05-01-2016, 05:58 PM
Hahahaa. Made a loop of that and Stone Cold theme song loop. Added to snap. Love it.

Leafin'
05-01-2016, 05:59 PM
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2016/05/01/auston-matthews/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed


23 – Here is Matthews’ own words on the comparison vs. Eichel: “We’re both pretty big guys and we like to have the puck on our stick; we’re both power forwards. I think the style of our game might be a little bit different. Jack is obviously an unbelievable skater. I’ve never seen somebody skate like him. He has a great shot and is really powerful. I kind of am a little bit quicker in the corners and stuff with my hands. I try to use my hands and vision a lot.” And head coach of the U18 US National Team, Danton Cole: “From a physical standpoint they’re both very similar, but it’s a different-type game. People have seen Jack play now and aren’t surprised anymore with the power he plays with. With Auston, I don’t want to say he’s more finesse, but maybe more of a cutter, whereas Jack is more power. But they’re big centers who play at a real hard pace and what’s very similar is that they each have a competitive burn to succeed at all costs.” 24 – Matthews is an understudy of Maple Leafs skills development consultant Daryl Belfry. Matthews was rumoured to be working with Belfry recently in Florida for two weeks after his Swiss season ended, in order to get him prepared for the for the upcoming World Championships.

Feyd
05-01-2016, 06:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s289TcMWxE

From the link above. Kid's got a great shot.

This one was interesting, to put the Swiss league stats in some form of context:


12 – Established, elite NHLers John Tavares, Patrick Kane and Tyler Seguin opted to play in the Swiss league to keep warm during the 2012-13 lockout. They were 23, 25, and 21 years old, respectively, at the time. None were necessarily bringing their A games, but Tavares posted a 1.50 points per game, Kane a 1.15, and Seguin a 1.38. Matthews posted a 1.28 at age 18.

Blueman
05-01-2016, 06:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kctw2h0JysI

Artnes
05-02-2016, 08:33 AM
As I said, I got no problem with Americans on the team.

But I have always had an aversion to an American being the undisputed best player that we build around. Take Kessel for example, who I said this about when we traded for him. That ended well.

JVR is just a complementary piece, and one that I really like. He's not the face of the franchise.

Thats Don Cherry mentality. They have pills for it

trujaysfan
05-02-2016, 08:40 AM
Everything else being equal I would take the local kid over an american/russian/swed etc but we have no issue with developing Canadian hockey players and our teams don't need to have a bias if it hurts how competitive they are.

Some leagues and sports need to be more protective with domestic quotas but the NHL isn't one and canadians are not hard pressed to find work in hockey if they have the required skill.

Metalleaf
05-02-2016, 08:40 AM
LoF is going to be devastated when the US is the best hockey nation in the world. And it's gonna happen soon.

LeafOfFaith
05-02-2016, 08:49 AM
Wouldn't surprise me, actually. Wouldn't bother me either.

All I care about is the Leafs.

JaysCyYoung
05-02-2016, 08:50 AM
Nah. The United States can get better, but the law of diminishing returns that sees nations like Finland (population 5.4 million) beat the United States (320+ million) and Russia (145+ million) routinely in international hockey, ensures that the limitations of roster sizes keep them as solely a member of the Big Six and nothing more.

There's too much parity for one country to be perennially dominant.

MindzEye
05-02-2016, 09:02 AM
LoF is going to be devastated when the US is the best hockey nation in the world. And it's gonna happen soon.

No.


Canada is still developing the best hockey talent in the world, despite the incoming dominance of the Americans that I've heard about for 20 years now. 15 of the last 25 NHL top 5 picks were Canadian. 3 Americans, 3 Swedes, a German, A Finn, 2 Ruskies.

Call me when we're not dominating the top of the NHL draft over any significant time period and we'll talk about the impending domination of the hockey world by anyone other than America's Hat.

worm
05-02-2016, 10:09 AM
grats all

worm
05-02-2016, 10:16 AM
Do we automatically have the best prospect system in the league?

probably second

whatever NHL team the edmonton oilers are the farm team for is first

hockeylover
05-02-2016, 10:27 AM
No question we will be #1 on the fall organizational rankings.

MindzEye
05-02-2016, 11:07 AM
No question we will be #1 on the fall organizational rankings.

There will be some who put Winnipeg, but they had a lot of their mid tier guys not do much this year and a few of their higher ranked guys (Morrissey & Petan) kind of go sideways for a season.

hockeylover
05-02-2016, 11:09 AM
There will be some who put Winnipeg, but they had a lot of their mid tier guys not do much this year and a few of their higher ranked guys (Morrissey & Petan) kind of go sideways for a season.

Ehlers is now considered graduated now so I can't see how they'll be first on those lists in the fall.

MindzEye
05-02-2016, 11:14 AM
Ehlers is now considered graduated now so I can't see how they'll be first on those lists in the fall.

True. And Nylander isn't. So we're sitting with Matthews, Nylander, Marner at the top of our prospect list. It would be a travesty to give it to any other system. Someone might try though, by hyping Laine, Connor, Hellebuyck, Morrissey, Petan, Comrie as better than Matthews, Nylander, Marner, Kapanen, Dermott, whoever. I'm just saying don't be shocked if Toronto comes in 2nd on at least a few of the more notable lists.

hockeylover
05-02-2016, 11:18 AM
True. And Nylander isn't. So we're sitting with Matthews, Nylander, Marner at the top of our prospect list. It would be a travesty to give it to any other system. Someone might try though, by hyping Laine, Connor, Hellebuyck, Morrissey, Petan, Comrie as better than Matthews, Nylander, Marner, Kapanen, Dermott, whoever. I'm just saying don't be shocked if Toronto comes in 2nd on at least a few of the more notable lists.

If one has Matthews, Marner, Nylander and the other has only Laine and Connor and they get ranked first, we'll know it's because we're Toronto and they're Winnipeg - media/league darlings. Because without Ehlers there's no argument. But yeah I guess I wouldn't be all that surprised.

JaysCyYoung
05-02-2016, 11:21 AM
Who honestly cares though? We all know the Leafs have the deepest, highest upside prospect pool in the league. I don't care what some misinformed staff writer on a poor hockey website with an anti-Toronto bias thinks about this group.

hockeylover
05-02-2016, 11:22 AM
Who honestly cares though? We all know the Leafs have the deepest, highest upside prospect pool in the league. I don't care what some misinformed staff writer on a poor hockey website with an anti-Toronto bias thinks about this group.

I didn't say I cared, I said we'll know the reason.

JaysCyYoung
05-02-2016, 11:23 AM
Well yeah, but we've known that for years. C'est la vie. It was entertaining reading through all the butthurt posts from Oilers fans on HFBoards awkwardly trying to turn around Matthews' apparent indifference to the lottery results with McDavid's absolutely soul-crushed face last year.

I look forward to similar reactions from opposing Canadian team's fans in the years to come. :smile(21):

mbow30
05-02-2016, 12:08 PM
Well yeah, but we've known that for years. C'est la vie. It was entertaining reading through all the butthurt posts from Oilers fans on HFBoards awkwardly trying to turn around Matthews' apparent indifference to the lottery results with McDavid's absolutely soul-crushed face last year.

I look forward to similar reactions from opposing Canadian team's fans in the years to come. :smile(21):

even if he doesn't want to come here, who cares? he is going to play here. we have auston mathews.

i dont' think oilers fans sit around crying about conor mcdavid not really wanting nto play in edmonton. he is is there, and will be until he's at least 25.

mbow30
05-02-2016, 12:09 PM
also, from the sounds of it matthews plays with the sort of drive and work ethic that the leafs' brass seems to really value.

crawford and wilson both raved about his intensity and practice habits. he sounds like a natural leader.

then again, it sounds like laine brings all of the same qualities.

Preston_Mizzi
05-02-2016, 12:27 PM
also, from the sounds of it matthews plays with the sort of drive and work ethic that the leafs' brass seems to really value.

crawford and wilson both raved about his intensity and practice habits. he sounds like a natural leader.

then again, it sounds like laine brings all of the same qualities.

Laine has a bit of floater to him, and isn't so hot on the defensive side of things. I could see him being a Kovalchuk type.. A one dimensional elite, elite scorer. Pretty damn good for a #2 pick.

hockeylover
05-02-2016, 12:30 PM
also, from the sounds of it matthews plays with the sort of drive and work ethic that the leafs' brass seems to really value.

crawford and wilson both raved about his intensity and practice habits. he sounds like a natural leader.

then again, it sounds like laine brings all of the same qualities.

There was that Ivan Hlinka incident that he got sent home for...

Artnes
05-02-2016, 12:34 PM
Laine seems to be an Ovechkin like character while Matthews seems to have a Tavares/Towes demeanor

leafman101
05-02-2016, 12:35 PM
Yeah Laine is a little eccentric. Not that it is a bad thing. Matthews is the prototypical calm and collected captain material.

LeafOfFaith
05-02-2016, 12:43 PM
even if he doesn't want to come here, who cares? he is going to play here. we have auston mathews.

i dont' think oilers fans sit around crying about conor mcdavid not really wanting nto play in edmonton. he is is there, and will be until he's at least 25.

I think we'd have seen a different reaction if Arizona had made the playoffs and wasn't a lottery team.

The fact that they had a chance to land on #1 must have kept Matthews up at night for months. And then when they didn't win, despite the fact that the odds were so against them, it was a bit crushing for him nevertheless.

If they'd never had a shot at the lottery, I imagine Matthews would have adjusted his mindset going into it and been happy the Leafs got him rather than a Winnipeg, Edmonton, Buffalo, etc.

MindzEye
05-02-2016, 12:49 PM
How much he likes Toronto is going to come down to 1) how good he ends up & 2) How much he likes being a rock star

If he digs the bright lights and attention, I think he'll get over being the 7th or 8th most recognizable athlete in Phoenix. He's about to become a small god in Toronto.

Artnes
05-02-2016, 12:53 PM
Didnt Crawford already touch on Matthews being fully aware he was going to a Canadian team for a while now.

MindzEye
05-02-2016, 12:57 PM
Didnt Crawford already touch on Matthews being fully aware he was going to a Canadian team for a while now.

Yeah, but Toronto is a different animal.

mbow30
05-02-2016, 01:01 PM
who knows what his wjc coach said to him...

LeafGm
05-02-2016, 01:08 PM
who knows what his wjc coach said to him...
Oh, I'm sure that---knowing that there was a decent chance the Leafs would be high up in the lottery, Wilson had loads of shit-talk about Toronto for Matthews.

It's actually sad how much of a grudge that guy still has against the Leafs.

trujaysfan
05-02-2016, 01:12 PM
Oh, I'm sure that---knowing that there was a decent chance the Leafs would be high up in the lottery, Wilson had loads of shit-talk about Toronto for Matthews.

It's actually sad how much of a grudge that guy still has against the Leafs.

Well he was fired because the fans turned on him and openly campaigned for him to be fired. He has never recovered from his time in toronto likely costing him millions in wages he could have earned if he was still able to find a coaching job.

But the fans turned on him because he was terrible and so was the rest of the team around him.

Artnes
05-02-2016, 01:13 PM
Matthews did ask Crawford about Lou's reputation of being a hard ass. Crawford said turning down the chance to work with him was one of the biggest mistakes he made in his career

Aberdeen
05-02-2016, 01:21 PM
Matthews did ask Crawford about Lou's reputation of being a hard ass. Crawford said turning down the chance to work with him was one of the biggest mistakes he made in his career
Interesting... where'd you hear that?

mbow30
05-02-2016, 01:38 PM
Well he was fired because the fans turned on him and openly campaigned for him to be fired. He has never recovered from his time in toronto likely costing him millions in wages he could have earned if he was still able to find a coaching job.

But the fans turned on him because he was terrible and so was the rest of the team around him.

his "we have a bunch of weeds we need to pluck from the garden" approach is certainly missed.

MindzEye
05-02-2016, 01:55 PM
who knows what his wjc coach said to him...

What we do know, is that he didn't say anything to Matthews about the Russians.

Jeremy
05-02-2016, 03:37 PM
Would it be wrong to call Matthews a Kopitar/Towes with more offence?

Jeremy
05-02-2016, 03:56 PM
Was just reading an article mentioning the player Matthews reminds Crawford of is Joe Sakic.


“He will be a No. 1 centre in the NHL and his game will be one where I think he can dominate with his shot and his abiltiy to make short area plays - dekes and shots and quick passes that spring people,” Crawford told Yahoo Canada Sports. “He’s a little like Anze Kopitar and a little like Jamie Benn. His speed and the way he drives the net is like Anze. He shoots like Benn and stays on puck for second chances like him.

“The player he reminds me most of is Joe Sakic. Joe didn’t need to play with outstandingly great players, he made people better by converting passes that seemingly weren’t very good, he was good at putting pucks in really good areas. His release and shot is like Sakic’s, Joe was deceptive with shooting angles, Auston has those same abilities. He is a great scoring centre.”

On Matthews comfort level playing up North:


“We talked a lot about the Canadian markets,” he said. “He is very comfortable going to Canada.”

On Matthews' work ethic:


“He is extremely humble and well grounded, his father was a detailed athlete, baseball is a detailed sport in how the players prep in terms of the information they accumulate. He has that detailed approach,” Crawford said. “All the great players I’ve had have similar drive to be the best. He definitely has that along with tremendous vision, all great players have tremendous vision, they slow the game down in their minds. The vision really shows in their anticipation of where the play is going. He has all those attributes. I like his work ethic, he will do whatever it takes to make his game better."

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/eh-game/high-praise-for-projected-no--1-pick-auston-matthews-from-former-coach-marc-crawford-025908624.html

Jeremy
05-02-2016, 04:06 PM
I think this is the quote mbow was referring to in another thread:


“People don’t know how good he is because he wasn’t around to scrutinize all year,” said the scout. “I think that’s a huge advantage for him. The team that gets him is going to be incredibly surprised just how good he is. I hear things like he would have gone third in last year’s draft. Are you kidding?

“No disrespect to (2015 No. 2 pick Jack) Eichel, but he couldn’t carry Matthews’ skates to the rink. His impact in the NHL is going to be special.”

Another from Crawford:



“I have no doubt that he’s going to be a top No. 1 centre in the National Hockey League,” said Crawford. “He’s got the same vision, the same presence with the puck, the same take-charge attitude as McDavid and Eichel. I don’t want to put the pressure on him that he’s going to be a franchise player, but he’s going to have no problem fitting into the NHL.

“He’s not afraid of big markets. He just loves to play."

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/auston-matthews-lot-questions-lamoriello/

Bleedsblue&white
05-02-2016, 04:20 PM
It's going to be interesting watching the Toronto media with Matthews, watching how Lou et al make it a safe place for him to play, 'cause you know he's about to hit a spotlight like he's never seen; a couple years ago who knows how it goes, but I expect Babcock and company to continue their model and I am really curious to see this play out.

Remember the sun's picture of Kadri with the soother?
That doesn't happen now I bet, but you know the media will be looking to anoint and crucify him so yeah, can't wait to see how they go about protecting him.

hockeylover
05-02-2016, 04:28 PM
Everyone talks about scrutiny and pressure for Matthews... and he will have that, no doubt... but there's enough shoulders to distribute that pressure around for once. Rielly, Nylander, Matthew, Marner... Stamkos? Vesey? Even in Toronto, there's only so much room in the sports sections.

BeLeafer
05-02-2016, 04:32 PM
It's part of the beauty of having a handful of elite up and comers --- hacks can't claim anyone is looking at one of them as the saviour.

hockeylover
05-02-2016, 04:35 PM
I know all the "experts" are so sure Vesey to Boston is a lock but he has to make his decision after free agency... If Stamkos signs here, he'd be crazy to say no to playing with one of him or Matthews, no?

leafman101
05-02-2016, 05:05 PM
At that point how badly do we even want Vesey? He'll get almost $4 mill including bonuses, and will take away an opportunity from someone like Brown or Johnson.

Komarov-Stamkos-Nylander
JVR-Matthews-Marner
Soshnikov-Kadri-Brown
Michalek-Bozak-Laich
Hyman/Johnson/Kapanen/Lindberg etc.

mbow30
05-02-2016, 05:08 PM
if i have stamkos... and marner... i have to play them together. a truly elite triggerman with a guy whose puck movement in jr was amongst the best of all time. i like that potential.

leafman101
05-02-2016, 05:48 PM
Yeah, I didn't put too much thought into the lines but it really is a perfect match. Stamkos, Matthews, Marner, Nylander would be a stupid amount of talent. Obviously young and lots to prove, but you have so many options with those guys. All of them can play any forward position, in any situation. All of them can score. All of them can create. All of them make everyone on the ice better.

hockeylover
05-02-2016, 06:00 PM
At that point how badly do we even want Vesey? He'll get almost $4 mill including bonuses, and will take away an opportunity from someone like Brown or Johnson.

Komarov-Stamkos-Nylander
JVR-Matthews-Marner
Soshnikov-Kadri-Brown
Michalek-Bozak-Laich
Hyman/Johnson/Kapanen/Lindberg etc.

I think I still want Vesey. Do you think Brown and Johnson are better?

CH1
05-02-2016, 06:02 PM
Everyone talks about scrutiny and pressure for Matthews... and he will have that, no doubt... but there's enough shoulders to distribute that pressure around for once. Rielly, Nylander, Matthew, Marner... Stamkos? Vesey? Even in Toronto, there's only so much room in the sports sections.

I wonder who they will target for enjoying the occasional street dog?

mbow30
05-02-2016, 06:05 PM
I think I still want Vesey. Do you think Brown and Johnson are better?

vesey is going to cost $4m against the cap because of bonuses. zaitsev might already. you have to budget about the same for marner and nylander. do you want those sorts of dollars counting on vesey next year? it's a legit question.

mbow30
05-02-2016, 06:08 PM
I wonder who they will target for enjoying the occasional street dog?

management is doing a much better job of keeping this a much safer place than the last admin.

hockeylover
05-02-2016, 06:20 PM
vesey is going to cost $4m against the cap because of bonuses. zaitsev might already. you have to budget about the same for marner and nylander. do you want those sorts of dollars counting on vesey next year? it's a legit question.

If they really believe he's a top 6 guy that you're getting without moving an asset, is it a huge deal? It's only a 2 year ELC. I'd have to write down all the amounts and figure it out cap space wise I suppose.

leafman101
05-02-2016, 06:21 PM
I think I still want Vesey. Do you think Brown and Johnson are better?

Not necessarily better, but cheaper and similarly have relatively high upside. And they have performed at a higher level as both have been star players in pro leagues at younger ages than Vesey.

I'm just not sure that the Leafs can spend $3.75 million on a 2nd/3rd liner if they land Stamkos. They won't have the cap room without dumping some of those unmovable vets. Plus with Vesey, Matthews, Marner, Nylander and probably Zaitsev they could end up in some bonus trouble that would carry over to 2017. Is Vesey worth that? I guess thats the question. If he is a Panarin sure. If he is a Justing Schultz no.

At the end of the day another potential 2nd line winger isn't that high on the Leafs priority list if they land Stamkos IMO. If they don't, then by all means go after Vesey. The cap space will be there.

hockeylover
05-02-2016, 06:26 PM
I did some quick calculating and you guys are likely right. You'd have everyone in the top 6 making 4 million or more and then Kadri and Komarov on the third line making a bundle too.

On only a semi-related note, does anyone know what kind of bonuses an 8th overall pick would've been able to negotiate? I'm guessing it wouldn't be the max bonuses...? Thinking of Nylander.

LeafOfFaith
05-02-2016, 06:28 PM
If Vesey is a stud and we can get him for free, then it's kinda a no-brainer to get him and then worry about the excess of great players later. I personally question, as I do with every NCAA player, the impact he will have, but if the scouts believe in him, then go for it. Who knows, he may end up nothing more than a Christian Hanson burnout, or a Bozak-ish piece on the wing, or Blake Wheeler. Pick up the dollar and then figure out later how to spend it.

But yeah, I really, truly believe the Leafs are going to have a dynasty on their hands soon - especially if Stamkos comes here. All of the hell that we've endured for decades may well end up giving us enough karma to be unstoppable for a 10 year period.

I mean Stamkos, Matthews, Marner, Nylander, JVR, Kadri, Rielly, Gardiner is outright insane. And the best part is that Matthews, Marner, and Nylander are still years away from making any significant dent in the cap. Insane.

LeafOfFaith
05-02-2016, 06:30 PM
Not necessarily better, but cheaper and similarly have relatively high upside. And they have performed at a higher level as both have been star players in pro leagues at younger ages than Vesey.

I'm just not sure that the Leafs can spend $3.75 million on a 2nd/3rd liner if they land Stamkos. They won't have the cap room without dumping some of those unmovable vets. Plus with Vesey, Matthews, Marner, Nylander and probably Zaitsev they could end up in some bonus trouble that would carry over to 2017. Is Vesey worth that? I guess thats the question. If he is a Panarin sure. If he is a Justing Schultz no.

At the end of the day another potential 2nd line winger isn't that high on the Leafs priority list if they land Stamkos IMO. If they don't, then by all means go after Vesey. The cap space will be there.

With the new Leafs luck, we will see the cap go up when we need it to, we'll find takers for Bozak and Lupul, a bunch of the dead weight will be gone by the deadline, etc.

We'll weather any cap crunch, and when we absolutely have to shed salary, we'll trade one or two of the lesser pieces for a replenishment of youth.

MindzEye
05-02-2016, 06:39 PM
Not necessarily better, but cheaper and similarly have relatively high upside. And they have performed at a higher level as both have been star players in pro leagues at younger ages than Vesey.

I'm just not sure that the Leafs can spend $3.75 million on a 2nd/3rd liner if they land Stamkos. They won't have the cap room without dumping some of those unmovable vets. Plus with Vesey, Matthews, Marner, Nylander and probably Zaitsev they could end up in some bonus trouble that would carry over to 2017. Is Vesey worth that? I guess thats the question. If he is a Panarin sure. If he is a Justing Schultz no.

At the end of the day another potential 2nd line winger isn't that high on the Leafs priority list if they land Stamkos IMO. If they don't, then by all means go after Vesey. The cap space will be there.

+1

MindzEye
05-02-2016, 06:43 PM
vesey is going to cost $4m against the cap because of bonuses. zaitsev might already. you have to budget about the same for marner and nylander. do you want those sorts of dollars counting on vesey next year? it's a legit question.

Why would you budget for all of them hitting schedule A? Keeping a chunk of cap space free to help manage that so you don't end up with a carryover bonus penalty is smart, but the whole thing?

mbow30
05-02-2016, 06:56 PM
Why would you budget for all of them hitting schedule A? Keeping a chunk of cap space free to help manage that so you don't end up with a carryover bonus penalty is smart, but the whole thing?

i think you're capped at how many bonuses you can pay out and that they assume all bonuses are hit for the purposes of calculating the aav.

hockeylover
05-02-2016, 07:01 PM
Did some digging around. According to capfriendly.com, the most in performance bonuses that all three of Marner, Nylander, and Zaitsev can earn per year is 850,000. The site says none of the three received the max performance bonuses that McDavid got.

mbow30
05-02-2016, 07:05 PM
really? stand corrected, if that site is right.

MindzEye
05-02-2016, 07:06 PM
i think you're capped at how many bonuses you can pay out

7.5% of the cap I think


and that they assume all bonuses are hit for the purposes of calculating the aav.

This I don't think is correct, or else the Hawks would have been over the cap due to the bonuses built in to Panarin's deal and not just pushed into the bonus penalty next season when he hit them. If they included them into the AAV, there would be no such thing as a bonus penalty.

hockeylover
05-02-2016, 07:25 PM
really? stand corrected, if that site is right.

Says Strome at 3 got the max performance bonuses but Marner at 4 did not.

That's awesome.

hockeylover
05-02-2016, 07:33 PM
On Twitter someone mentioned that of the last 8 fourth overall picks, Marner is only the 2nd not to receive any schedule B performance bonuses... The other was Larsson when Lamoriello signed him.

Blueman
05-02-2016, 07:34 PM
On Twitter someone mentioned that of the last 8 fourth overall picks, Marner is only the 2nd not to receive any schedule B performance bonuses... The other was Larsson when Lamoriello signed him.

In Lou we trust

leafman101
05-02-2016, 07:35 PM
Dreger quoting an NHL GM on Matthews "He's Tavares but he can skate."

leafman101
05-02-2016, 07:37 PM
On Twitter someone mentioned that of the last 8 fourth overall picks, Marner is only the 2nd not to receive any schedule B performance bonuses... The other was Larsson when Lamoriello signed him.

I'd read that Lamoriello doesn't believe in bonuses, but honoured Marner's because they started negotiating before he got there so that might not be true. It will be interesting to see what happens with first overall. No bonuses probably won't fly.

leafman101
05-02-2016, 07:38 PM
Elliotte Friedman
One note on Marner contract: he gets the "A" bonuses. Lou Lamoriello historically does not believe in them (see Adam Larsson), but because negotiations began before he was hired, I understand he made an exception. Be interesting to see if it continues.

Yeah, you are right though. He didn't get the "B" bonus, so only $850,000 k. Nylander too.

hockeylover
05-02-2016, 07:48 PM
Does that mean that when we wined and dined Zaitsev a year ago absolutely any team could've strolled in and offered max Schedule B bonuses and he... still picked us?

Crazy. I don't think Vesey will go for that though.

LeafGm
05-02-2016, 07:50 PM
Does that mean that when we wined and dined Zaitsev a year ago absolutely any team could've strolled in and offered max Schedule B bonuses and he... still picked us?
I also recall hearing somewhere that the Flyers had been after him for at least a couple of years, and it was generally assumed he'd sign there.

So I guess Shanahan spending a weekend wining and dining him and giving him a tour of our facilities is maybe all it took to change that.

CTheBigPicture
05-02-2016, 07:57 PM
Shanahan should teach a sales class. He is masterful at that.

hockeylover
05-02-2016, 07:58 PM
It appears he left up to 2 million dollars in performance bonuses on the table then.

I'm assuming an exception will be made w the first overall?

MindzEye
05-02-2016, 08:00 PM
It appears he left up to 2 million dollars in performance bonuses on the table then.

To be fair, most of them are major trophy/award/all star related.


I'm assuming an exception will be made w the first overall?

One would have to assume, yeah. Even Lou rules have to bend from time to time.

hockeylover
05-02-2016, 08:06 PM
To be fair, most of them are major trophy/award/all star related.



One would have to assume, yeah. Even Lou rules have to bend from time to time.

Yup, that's true. I still would've expected a guy who can sign with any team to get more than $0 in Schedule B bonuses though.

LeafOfFaith
05-02-2016, 08:37 PM
Anyone up for giving a brief primer on Schedule A and B bonuses?

hockeylover
05-02-2016, 08:48 PM
Anyone up for giving a brief primer on Schedule A and B bonuses?

IIRC, Schedule A is for things like ice time, points, etc in relation to others on your team. Schedule B is bonuses in relation to others in the league such as top 10 in scoring, or top 5 in Calder voting.

Marner and Nylander won't get any bonuses for their finish in respect to the Calder.

SundinsTooth
05-02-2016, 08:56 PM
http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2013/6/14/4414710/getting-to-know-the-cba-episode-2-the-draft

soco22
05-02-2016, 08:59 PM
Is Matthews eligible to play for the young guns North American team at the World Cup?

Blueman
05-02-2016, 09:02 PM
Help settle an argument for me here - what are the chances Auston Matthews starts the season with the marlies?

Deckie007
05-02-2016, 09:02 PM
0

LeafGm
05-02-2016, 09:23 PM
Yeah, 0.0% chance Matthews ends up in the AHL. He's already got a year of professional experience under his belt, and most scouts seem pretty convince that, like Eichel, he was ready to play in the NHL last season. The only way he ever wears a Marlies jersey is if the Leafs miss the playoffs, and the Leafs think it'll be to his benefit to go on an AHL playoff run. And even that seems kind of far-fetched.



Is Matthews eligible to play for the young guns North American team at the World Cup?
Yep. I would think that his participation in that tournament would hinge partly on how well he does at the World Championships.

Jeremy
05-02-2016, 10:47 PM
A little more about Matthews playing here:


But Zurich Lions coach Marc Crawford thought it best to give him “the Toronto talk,” the facts of life for a young star in the NHL’s busiest city, should the Maple Leafs win Saturday’s draft lottery with their 20% odds. Crawford spent time here with Pat Burns’ staff while running the Leafs’ farm team in St. John’s, Nfld., before graduating to the bigs. But it turned out to be a brief conversation with Matthews, who knows what might await.

“The bright lights and big city aren’t going to bother him,” Crawford said in a phone interview. “He knows he’s most likely going to Canada (The Leafs, Oilers, Canucks, Flames, Jets and Habs will total 66% of the possible ping-pong ball combinations) and we’ve had the talk about going to Toronto.

“He knows he would get support from Lou Lamoriello, Mike Babcock and a great staff. He knows it would be a marvelous place to start.”
http://www.torontosun.com/2016/04/26/auston-matthews-gets-the-to-talk

JohnnyHolmes
05-02-2016, 11:16 PM
I think you could take someone to the cleaners with this pick.

Matthews may be a good player, but he's not Crosby or McDavid. You could probably get a team like Edmonton to give up a nice player and their 4th.

Or send him home to Phoenix for Max Domi, their 7th and whatever else you can get out of them.

Jeremy
05-02-2016, 11:18 PM
I think you could take someone to the cleaners with this pick.

Matthews may be a good player, but he's not Crosby or McDavid. You could probably get a team like Edmonton to give up a nice player and their 4th.

Or send him home to Phoenix for Max Domi, their 7th and whatever else you can get out of them.No chance we trade.

JohnnyHolmes
05-02-2016, 11:28 PM
Why not?

You could take Tkachuk, unite the Nylander brothers, Chychrun or Bean. You still have Pittsburg's first as well. Plus whatever package you get back. Then you sign Stamkos. Your GM would be an idiot to not even consider it.

You could turn the clock ahead a couple of years, and add 2-3 great prospects instead of only 1.

LeafGm
05-02-2016, 11:33 PM
A quarter for two dimes and a nickel is never the kind of trade you should make with the 1st overall pick.

Especially when the top-rated prospect is a very skilled 6'2" #1 center.

LeafOfFaith
05-02-2016, 11:37 PM
Strome and OEL and Arizona's second 1st rounder. Straight up for #1.

I gotta take that.

JohnnyHolmes
05-02-2016, 11:39 PM
There is still the possibility that he is the next Nail Yakupov, Alexandre Daigle or Brian Lawton, however remote you think that the chances may be.

I don't see how getting a 20 year old Max Domi, a guy that was basically born to play for the Leafs, the #7 overall pick which quite possibly gets you Jr. Nylander, plus whatever else you can get from Arizona, for a guy that doesn't really want to be in Toronto anyway, can be considered two dimes and a nickel.

This isn't McDavid. People are saying he would have likely went #3 if he was eligible last year.

Or, you trade the pick and take Laine.

I just see this as an opportunity for the Leafs to really set up their future.

zeke
05-02-2016, 11:43 PM
heh.

BeLeafer
05-03-2016, 03:42 AM
X2

Metalleaf
05-03-2016, 06:00 AM
Someone's worried.

CTheBigPicture
05-03-2016, 06:40 AM
Someone's worried.
VERY

MindzEye
05-03-2016, 07:11 AM
I guess this thread should come with a trigger warning for Sens & Habs fans

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TightAlarmingJanenschia-size_restricted.gif

trujaysfan
05-03-2016, 07:15 AM
Sure if Arizona offeres us OEL + 7th consider it or if they offer Strome, Domi and 7th consider it, if not just use the pick.

Side note, what dumb thing are the Oilers going to do with the 4th? Could See both Winnipeg and the Islanders pushing hard for it while sending a Dman back.

Metalleaf
05-03-2016, 07:32 AM
I guess this thread should come with a trigger warning for Sens & Habs fans

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TightAlarmingJanenschia-size_restricted.gif

Leafs only won because of the patriarchy.

LeafGm
05-03-2016, 07:32 AM
For anyone interested in seeing Matthews/USA vs. Laine/Finland in their world championship tune-up game, it's being streamed for free. The game starts around 11:30-12 Toronto time, and here's the link:

http://areena.yle.fi/1-3394795


...for a guy that doesn't really want to be in Toronto anyway

3/10

Habspatrol
05-03-2016, 08:01 AM
There is still the possibility that he is the next Nail Yakupov, Alexandre Daigle or Brian Lawton, however remote you think that the chances may be.

I don't see how getting a 20 year old Max Domi, a guy that was basically born to play for the Leafs, the #7 overall pick which quite possibly gets you Jr. Nylander, plus whatever else you can get from Arizona, for a guy that doesn't really want to be in Toronto anyway, can be considered two dimes and a nickel.

This isn't McDavid. People are saying he would have likely went #3 if he was eligible last year.

Or, you trade the pick and take Laine.

I just see this as an opportunity for the Leafs to really set up their future.

Matthews goes 2nd overall last year and 1st overall in most years since 2005 and maybe Tavares' years. There may be a couple other debatable years in there.

Habspatrol
05-03-2016, 08:04 AM
I guess this thread should come with a trigger warning for Sens & Habs fans

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TightAlarmingJanenschia-size_restricted.gif
I haven't read every post but overall I'm not seeing many butt hurt Habs fans.

.

Metalleaf
05-03-2016, 08:07 AM
The ones that are Jack Todd fans.

MindzEye
05-03-2016, 08:17 AM
I haven't read every post but overall I'm not seeing many butt hurt Habs fans.

.

Try the Habs board. I read the draft thread.

MindzEye
05-03-2016, 08:18 AM
Leafs only won because of the patriarchy.


Lou is the Patriarchy: Confirmed

Artnes
05-03-2016, 08:33 AM
Sure if Arizona offeres us OEL + 7th consider it or if they offer Strome, Domi and 7th consider it, if not just use the pick.

Side note, what dumb thing are the Oilers going to do with the 4th? Could See both Winnipeg and the Islanders pushing hard for it while sending a Dman back.

Chiarelli is looked at as the savoir here but his recent track record isnt so hot. You wouldnt think he could screw this up but the Seguin fiasco and the Reinhart deal should have them concerned.

Screw this deal up and he could set them back more

trujaysfan
05-03-2016, 08:35 AM
Try the Habs board. I read the draft thread.

Read the draft thread just now from the night of the draft... other than Habsforever they seamed like pretty reasonable comments. Almost all of them would swap teams with us.

MindzEye
05-03-2016, 08:37 AM
Read the draft thread just now from the night of the draft... other than Habsforever they seamed like pretty reasonable comments. Almost all of them would swap teams with us.

There were a lot of upset Habs fans, that's the point. Not that that's unexpected of course, but the consensus there was that they hated us getting Matthews.

PKForce81
05-03-2016, 08:37 AM
Matthews goes 2nd overall last year and 1st overall in most years since 2005 and maybe Tavares' years. There may be a couple other debatable years in there.

Pretty much. Aside from McDavid i don't think any of those other players are better(he slightly beats Eichel but he does beat him imo). No real weaknesses in his game. Good skater, can pass, great shot and something that Eichel isn't as good at is his ability to move laterally(makes him much more difficult to defend). Also quite good at using his body to protect the puck. At 18 years old he still can grow a bit more(but doesn't need to as 6'2 200 lbs is great already). No way he becomes anything like Daigle, Yakupov, etc..That's more Johnny hoping.

I still feel like i'm dreaming..Can't believe it happened to us(let's face it 20% isn't that great).

trujaysfan
05-03-2016, 08:40 AM
There were a lot of upset Habs fans, that's the point. Not that that's unexpected of course, but the consensus there was that they hated us getting Matthews.

Oh ya but very few took shots at the leafs, was more complementary than i expected. Funny feeling being the envy of some habs fans while they have to sit back and have MB and Mr. Rispeck leading them.

Metalleaf
05-03-2016, 08:44 AM
If they sign Stammer somehow though....

Artnes
05-03-2016, 08:46 AM
Buffalo with some major butthurt over the Matthews/Eichel debate.

LeafGm
05-03-2016, 08:52 AM
Buffalo with some major butthurt over the Matthews/Eichel debate.
The Matthews/Eichel narrative could make some pretty nice fuel to reignite the dormant Leafs/Sabres rivalry.

And it could be even more interesting if Buffalo also takes Nylander Jr---he'd have to fall a spot or two, but he'd be right in Buffalo's range.

Metalleaf
05-03-2016, 08:56 AM
I could see Montreal taking Alex.

MindzEye
05-03-2016, 09:00 AM
If they sign Stammer somehow though....

They have less cap than us, and less Leafs than us, and less Markham than us.

Every time I hear Montreal mentioned as being in the running for Stamkos, it always comes with a "they're planning on moving" whoever to clear the cap space.

The cap is barely moving this year, I doubt you could give away Plekanec without taking salary back. Montreal has 10.5M in cap right now (assuming the PA tells league office to **** off and enacts the full growth factor clause) with 9 forwards, 7 defenders and 2 goalies signed. Not that it's impossible, but fitting Stamkos in would be a neat trick. They probably end up with a Lucic/Okposo/Radulov/Eriksson/Ladd instead.

leafman101
05-03-2016, 09:22 AM
They'll have the cap space after they dump Subban.

Habspatrol
05-03-2016, 09:29 AM
Try the Habs board. I read the draft thread.

Ahhh... yeah I'm assuming it's the usual idiots who I skip over when I read a thread.

Habspatrol
05-03-2016, 09:39 AM
They have less cap than us, and less Leafs than us, and less Markham than us.

Every time I hear Montreal mentioned as being in the running for Stamkos, it always comes with a "they're planning on moving" whoever to clear the cap space.

The cap is barely moving this year, I doubt you could give away Plekanec without taking salary back. Montreal has 10.5M in cap right now (assuming the PA tells league office to **** off and enacts the full growth factor clause) with 9 forwards, 7 defenders and 2 goalies signed. Not that it's impossible, but fitting Stamkos in would be a neat trick. They probably end up with a Lucic/Okposo/Radulov/Eriksson/Ladd instead.

Yeah I just don't see us as a good fit for Stamkos. It doesn't make sense.

Sure if we could theoretically trade Plekanec for a decent prospect and replace him with Stamkos... but that is a dream.

Habspatrol
05-03-2016, 09:44 AM
They'll have the cap space after they dump Subban.

I don't think we'd have to dump PK... but there would definitely have to be some creativity.

Plekanec has some trade value so he'd be easy to move... I think. Desharnais might be tough to move but maybe someone would be dumb enough to see that he has produced at a decent rate and they'd take him on for a 5th. Hell... I'd give DD and a 3rd for a 5th if it meant we could sign Stammer.

That would open up $8.5M


But it ain't happening. Just saying that cap wise it could work without trading PK.

hockeylover
05-03-2016, 10:02 AM
I could see Montreal taking Alex.

He shouldn't last that long.

Metalleaf
05-03-2016, 10:04 AM
They're 8th no? Pretty sure Alex could go there.

hockeylover
05-03-2016, 10:04 AM
The biggest hurdle to Habs getting Stamkos is that MB has never demonstrated that he has any balls.

hockeylover
05-03-2016, 10:05 AM
They're 8th no? Pretty sure Alex could go there.

9th. I'd be very surprised.

UWHabs
05-03-2016, 10:18 AM
9th. I'd be very surprised.

Most seem to have Nylander going 7th or 8th, but he might still be around at our pick. After the top 3, you've got Tkachuk and Dubois who are definitely ahead of Nylander. Then after that it gets very muddied between:
Brown
Juolevi
Chychrun
Sergachev
Jost
and Nylander. I would expect Nylander to go ahead of a couple of those guys, but wouldn't shock me in the least if 3 of them went ahead of Nylander and he fell to the Habs spot at 9.

Metalleaf
05-03-2016, 10:18 AM
In today's game:

Maroon-Matthews-Schroeder

Vs

Laine-Barkov-Jokinen

hockeylover
05-03-2016, 10:23 AM
Most seem to have Nylander going 7th or 8th, but he might still be around at our pick. After the top 3, you've got Tkachuk and Dubois who are definitely ahead of Nylander. Then after that it gets very muddied between:
Brown
Juolevi
Chychrun
Sergachev
Jost
and Nylander. I would expect Nylander to go ahead of a couple of those guys, but wouldn't shock me in the least if 3 of them went ahead of Nylander and he fell to the Habs spot at 9.

Like I said, I'd be very surprised.

MyNameIsJonas
05-03-2016, 10:25 AM
If Edmonton doesn't trade down and takes a D, then all sorts of things can happen

number17
05-03-2016, 10:25 AM
4-7 are pretty inter-changeable picks .... Nylander (and any of Tkachuk, Dubois, Juloevi, Chychrun etc) can easily go as high as 4, or as low as 7 or 8 imo

trujaysfan
05-03-2016, 10:27 AM
For some reason I think Logan Brown will jump one or more of the top forwards... somebody is going to be tempted by a 6'6 C who can score.

LeafOfFaith
05-03-2016, 10:29 AM
I wonder if Hunter orchestrates a move, with all the extra picks and players we have, to somehow squeeze into the top 10 and take his boy Juolevi, if he doesn't go within the first seven picks or so.

Looking like Pitts will be making that 1st a pretty late one. Maybe take that, Bozak, Kapanen, Corrado/Carrick and swing a deal with a team looking for more help now.

zeke
05-03-2016, 10:32 AM
the habs would be dumb not to go all in for stamkos. he's exactly what they need.

trade pleks and emelin for peanuts if need be.

LeafOfFaith
05-03-2016, 10:48 AM
You can't give Emelin away for free.

But why blow up the team to get a player who won't sign with you? There's no chance Stamkos goes to Montreal.

Aberdeen
05-03-2016, 10:54 AM
In today's game:

Maroon-Matthews-Schroeder

Vs

Laine-Barkov-Jokinen

A link to a stream was posted earlier, but I can't find it, can someone re-post?

zeke
05-03-2016, 11:07 AM
A link to a stream was posted earlier, but I can't find it, can someone re-post?

http://areena.yle.fi/tv/suorat/yle-tv2

1st intermisson.

komo and matthews assists ao far.

Laine one timer is fin's go to pp play.

UWHabs
05-03-2016, 11:12 AM
You can't give Emelin away for free.

But why blow up the team to get a player who won't sign with you? There's no chance Stamkos goes to Montreal.

Well, I think you'd have to have a deal in place already before you blow up the rest of the team like dealing Pleks. But there are enough good FA out there that if we can eat some money and away guys like DD, Emelin, and Eller, those are moves we should do anyways. I'd be perfectly happy to basically give away those 3 if it means we can save 6-8M of their ~11M combined salaries.

If we can't get Stamkos, then we just put that money to Staal, Ladd, Okposo, etc... Plenty of good top-6 options this year even if we can't get Stamkos. Although he's certainly the top choice, but he's the top choice for pretty much every team.

MindzEye
05-03-2016, 12:24 PM
Montreal should blow up that horseshit excuse for veteran depth anyway. They'll be able to attract quality FA's to come to town, and frankly, replacing them with scrub veterans like the type we've populated our roster with over the last few years isn't going to be much of a step backward.

Would Hunwick, PAP, Winnik, etc really be worst than DD, Emelin, Eller, etc?

trujaysfan
05-03-2016, 12:27 PM
Montreal should blow up that horseshit excuse for veteran depth anyway. They'll be able to attract quality FA's to come to town, and frankly, replacing them with scrub veterans like the type we've populated our roster with over the last few years isn't going to be much of a step backward.

Would Hunwick, PAP, Winnik, etc really be worst than DD, Emelin, Eller, etc?

It depends on what those 3 players would look like under MT instead of MB

worm
05-03-2016, 12:28 PM
Yeah I just don't see us as a good fit for Stamkos. It doesn't make sense.

Sure if we could theoretically trade Plekanec for a decent prospect and replace him with Stamkos... but that is a dream.

I would like stamkos but I would not like his cap hit.

MindzEye
05-03-2016, 12:47 PM
It depends on what those 3 players would look like under MT instead of MB

Not as good as under Babcock (as PAP looked a fair bit better in Toronto than he did in MTL), but still who cares? They would be in the same neighbourhood as the players they'd be replacing, and for half of the money. That ~5 million saved on crap depth players is the difference between Dale Wiese as your #2 RW and Radulov, etc as your #2 RW.

JohnnyHolmes
05-03-2016, 12:58 PM
I'm stoked to pick at #12. Surely someone will drop that is ranked higher. Happens every year.

Though, I would be willing to package up the #12 pick with someone like Jared Cowen, Colin Greening and Milan Michalek for the #1 overall pick.

Then I'd use it to take Laine, or I'd flip it and rape a team like Edmonton or Winnipeg.

Arguing over how great Matthews is compared to Tavares and Eichel is total fantasy until he steps foot on the ice in a real game.

I don't really understand how anyone can seriously say that trading the pick wouldn't make your team that much stronger.

Hall and Tkachuk would > Matthews in my opinion.
Domi, Nylander + whatever else > Matthews as well.

Habspatrol
05-03-2016, 01:07 PM
Well, I think you'd have to have a deal in place already before you blow up the rest of the team like dealing Pleks. But there are enough good FA out there that if we can eat some money and away guys like DD, Emelin, and Eller, those are moves we should do anyways. I'd be perfectly happy to basically give away those 3 if it means we can save 6-8M of their ~11M combined salaries.

If we can't get Stamkos, then we just put that money to Staal, Ladd, Okposo, etc... Plenty of good top-6 options this year even if we can't get Stamkos. Although he's certainly the top choice, but he's the top choice for pretty much every team.

No to Staal... please no!! Ladd... maybe... for a decent price. Okposo would be a nice consolation prize though.

Artnes
05-03-2016, 01:45 PM
Don Granato on Matthews (https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2016/05/03/don-granato-auston-matthews-ive-ice-lot-first-round-picks-whole-level/)


We finished the U18 Worlds in Switzerland last year and Jim Johanssen of USA Hockey called me a couple of days prior to the end, and said, “hey, we’re going to be short Charlie Coyle. We’re going to need Auston for an exhibition game.” Auston went and met the team in Austria. Canada was pretournament in the same venue, so Sydney Crosby was there. The short of the story is that Auston told me, when he came back, “listen coach, I don’t want to go play junior against younger players – 16 year olds and 17 year olds. We played Division I games, so I got a feel for college hockey. I really want to go play against men because I don’t know if I can do it.” He said, “I want that challenge.” When he was taping a stick in the hallway in Austria, he turned around and looked and saw Sydney Crosby doing the same thing outside the Canadian locker room. He said, “that’s what I want to do. I want to play against men. I want to see if I can do that. I know I can do the other stuff.” That’s the type of person you’re dealing with. He doesn’t read his own press clippings. He is not impressed by himself. He wants challenges. You see that when he steps on the ice in practice. He’s always got a game going on with somebody else – a keep-away game, or some sort of whacky game that he’ll play. He’s a guy that thrives in competitive. He feels most comfortable in a competitive environment.

Read more at: https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2016/05/03/don-granato-auston-matthews-ive-ice-lot-first-round-picks-whole-level/

worm
05-03-2016, 01:51 PM
The biggest hurdle to Habs getting Stamkos is that MB has never demonstrated that he has any balls.

he had giant balls to do what he did to subban

but im not expecting him to do anything with stamkos

CTheBigPicture
05-03-2016, 01:55 PM
he had giant balls to do what he did to subban

but im not expecting him to do anything with stamkos
Wasn't PK an RFA? Team had all the leverage to do a bridge deal.

worm
05-03-2016, 01:58 PM
Wasn't PK an RFA? Team had all the leverage to do a bridge deal.

not the bridge deal

the 9m deal

took him to arb, etc

was a big risk of him becoming a UFA the next year

trujaysfan
05-03-2016, 02:00 PM
If the habs hadn't done a bridge deal with PK and signed him to a deal after his 3rd year they likely could afford Stamkos now without having to move anyone.

Figure either 8x6 or if a longer contract was allowed even 10x6 could have been agreed upon.

LeafOfFaith
05-03-2016, 02:01 PM
I'm stoked to pick at #12. Surely someone will drop that is ranked higher. Happens every year.

Though, I would be willing to package up the #12 pick with someone like Jared Cowen, Colin Greening and Milan Michalek for the #1 overall pick.

Then I'd use it to take Laine, or I'd flip it and rape a team like Edmonton or Winnipeg.

Arguing over how great Matthews is compared to Tavares and Eichel is total fantasy until he steps foot on the ice in a real game.

I don't really understand how anyone can seriously say that trading the pick wouldn't make your team that much stronger.

Hall and Tkachuk would > Matthews in my opinion.
Domi, Nylander + whatever else > Matthews as well.

What? Are you saying you'd try to package #12 plus a bad contract for #1 overall?

worm
05-03-2016, 02:01 PM
sure

but it was ME (i think) that pointed it out best the big savings are in not having emelin, eller, DD taking up so much cap room for basically replacement level play

MindzEye
05-03-2016, 02:05 PM
sure

but it was ME (i think) that pointed it out best the big savings are in not having emelin, eller, DD taking up so much cap room for basically replacement level play

The best cap savings are almost always on over paid lower mid level players. Unlucky lower mid level players slip through the cracks every year in free agency. We've made a cottage industry of giving them minutes and turning them into draft picks the last few years. Why would you ever pay Eller 3.5M when you can pay Winnik 2? Why pay Emelin 4+ when you can pay Hunwick 1.2?

UWHabs
05-03-2016, 02:53 PM
The best cap savings are almost always on over paid lower mid level players. Unlucky lower mid level players slip through the cracks every year in free agency. We've made a cottage industry of giving them minutes and turning them into draft picks the last few years. Why would you ever pay Eller 3.5M when you can pay Winnik 2? Why pay Emelin 4+ when you can pay Hunwick 1.2?

Best way to think about it is this way - would I trade Emelin, Eller, Deshainais, and a 2nd round pick for Stamkos? I'm pretty sure that's a yes. So in that case, I should be more than willing to unload Emelin, Eller, and Desharnais, and be willing to spend the equivalent of a 2nd in order to get someone to bite.

Leafin'
05-03-2016, 03:06 PM
Stamkos makes sense for Montreal. Does Montreal make sense for Stamkos? They might be better at the moment but with our prospects coming in with the addition of Matthews we are looking really good soon. If Stamkos has a bit of patience for a year or so it could work in his favor long term. I wouldn't expect playoffs next season unless we add a true #1 goalie and maybe another top 4 defender.

JVR - Stamkos - Nylander
XXXX - Matthews - Marner
Komarov - Kadri - XXXX
Soshnikov - XXXX - XXXX

Rielly - XXXX
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Marincin - Carrick

XXXX
XXXX

The offense looks pretty damn good and should have no problem scoring. The defense needs 1 more solid top 4 RHD. I'd love to be able to package Bozak +/or Holland + depth prospects for a legit defender. Possibly even add Carrick in there if it means we get someone of true quality. A true #1 goalie is probably going to be the hardest position to fill this offseason. We might get a team willing to move one because they have a younger cheaper option in house. With the potential for an expansion draft we might get lucky with a team needing to move a guy they otherwise wouldn't.

OR we wait out next year and see how things play out with Bernier. It could be a sunk season if he starts like he did to start the 15-16 season. At that point we drop Bernier and look next offseason. Is another lost season something management is willing to do? If Bernier flops they'd really have no one else to blame but themselves. It'd be almost like they set themselves up to fail this season with a pie in the sky dream that Bernier is a quality goalie. Far from certain what happens here but i wouldn't be surprised either way. Bernier might still figure things out but i'm far from certain at this point.

worm
05-03-2016, 03:44 PM
Tampa makes more sense for Stamkos than Montreal.

JohnnyHolmes
05-03-2016, 04:23 PM
What? Are you saying you'd try to package #12 plus a bad contract for #1 overall?

What....that's a former 4th overall, a former 9th overall, this year's 12 and a role player for #1 overall.

It's very generous.

leafman101
05-03-2016, 04:38 PM
The Leafs should give the Sens the Pens pick, Michalek, Cowen and greening for 12 then considering we have them all now.

Corky27
05-03-2016, 04:43 PM
Isn't it just so great to see how bitter everyone else is ? Ouuuuu they so madddddd !:lol