2019 Free Agent Season

DonKay

Canadiens Moderator
Notice I did not just make this a UFA thread as rumors are swirling that FA may get some offer sheets this summer.

I find the most interesting part of this seasons UFA class is that there are several that are in that 27-30 age range.

Does this make long term offers a bit easier to digest when the player is still in his late 20's?
The issue is always the tail end of contracts when these UFA's are already in their early 30's

Panarin 27
Karlsson 29
Duchene 28
Skinner 27
Myers 29
Gardiner 28
Hayes 27
Lee 28
Dzingel 27
Eberle 29
Ferland 27
 

Habsy

Wrong Thinker Extraordinaire
I do not think offer sheets will happen. They spew the same nonsense every summer and it rarely happens.
 

Habsy

Wrong Thinker Extraordinaire
Panarin 27 - Not Happening
Karlsson 29 - Do not need a RHD and his injuries have made him a shadow of his former self so nope.
Duchene 28 - I think he's the one who MB goes after. I also think anything more than 4 years is a mistake and he won't sign for only four years.
Skinner 27 - I really really like Skinner, always have. For a team that needs scoring like the Habs, he's the one they need to kick the tires on.
Myers 29 - No thanks
Gardiner 28 - Bigger no thanks
Hayes 27 - Intriguing player but will likely get overpaid. We need goals.
Lee 28 - Nope, sorry Sal.
Dzingel 27 - Good player, good speed, good motor, good for 25-30 goals. In other words, would be a good signing.
Eberle 29 - Nope.
Ferland 27 - Big body, net presence, 20 goal ceiling, will likely get overpaid.
 

Habs4Life

Active member
Panarin 27 - Not Happening
Karlsson 29 - Do not need a RHD and his injuries have made him a shadow of his former self so nope.
Duchene 28 - I think he's the one who MB goes after. I also think anything more than 4 years is a mistake and he won't sign for only four years.
Skinner 27 - I really really like Skinner, always have. For a team that needs scoring like the Habs, he's the one they need to kick the tires on.
Myers 29 - No thanks
Gardiner 28 - Bigger no thanks
Hayes 27 - Intriguing player but will likely get overpaid. We need goals.
Lee 28 - Nope, sorry Sal.
Dzingel 27 - Good player, good speed, good motor, good for 25-30 goals. In other words, would be a good signing.
Eberle 29 - Nope.
Ferland 27 - Big body, net presence, 20 goal ceiling, will likely get overpaid.
Pretty much agree with this. No chance on RHD.

I think that MB will try and get some work done at the draft. They have too may forwards right now, pretty sure he trades to move wingers for capable LHD.
 

Sal_Butera

Active member
Lee 28 - Nope, sorry Sal.
Yup - I’ve wanted Lee going back to the 2009 draft, but no way do I cough up the rumored 7-year deal he’s asking. Uncle Lou is right on offering the rumored 5-year deal.

Gotta admit though would love to lure Karlsson if Petry would net a Nylander type young forward talent via trade.
 
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CH1

The Artist Formerly Known as chiggins.
Panarin 27 - Not Happening
Karlsson 29 - Do not need a RHD and his injuries have made him a shadow of his former self so nope.
Duchene 28 - I think he's the one who MB goes after. I also think anything more than 4 years is a mistake and he won't sign for only four years.
Skinner 27 - I really really like Skinner, always have. For a team that needs scoring like the Habs, he's the one they need to kick the tires on.
Myers 29 - No thanks
Gardiner 28 - Bigger no thanks
Hayes 27 - Intriguing player but will likely get overpaid. We need goals.
Lee 28 - Nope, sorry Sal.
Dzingel 27 - Good player, good speed, good motor, good for 25-30 goals. In other words, would be a good signing.
Eberle 29 - Nope.
Ferland 27 - Big body, net presence, 20 goal ceiling, will likely get overpaid.
Disagree
 

DonKay

Canadiens Moderator
I really hope MB stays away from Gardiner but I have a sinking feeling this will be the guy he targets hard.

I also think he'll sniff around Duchene and Skinner but the term these two will be looking at will be far too long.
 

GrandWazoo

Active member
I think we stay away from all big names free agents, instead signing a couple of depths players, but we'll work out a trade in June for some LHD.
 

hairnova

Mod Squad
Andrew Zadarnowski:
Former Habs defenceman Andrei Markov has received contract offers from three NHL teams and one KHL team.
 

Habs53

Active member
Panarin 27 - Not Happening
Karlsson 29 - Do not need a RHD and his injuries have made him a shadow of his former self so nope.
Duchene 28 - I think he's the one who MB goes after. I also think anything more than 4 years is a mistake and he won't sign for only four years.
Skinner 27 - I really really like Skinner, always have. For a team that needs scoring like the Habs, he's the one they need to kick the tires on.
Myers 29 - No thanks
Gardiner 28 - Bigger no thanks
Hayes 27 - Intriguing player but will likely get overpaid. We need goals.
Lee 28 - Nope, sorry Sal.
Dzingel 27 - Good player, good speed, good motor, good for 25-30 goals. In other words, would be a good signing.
Eberle 29 - Nope.
Ferland 27 - Big body, net presence, 20 goal ceiling, will likely get overpaid.
I can easily picture Duchene being a Hab in the really near future. We will then have way to many Cs. Something has to give. Give up some youth for a left winger an D help?
 

Sal_Butera

Active member
FWIW- re:signing Panarin, should he qualify as a US resident...

Blog: Auston Matthews Shoots and Scores Tax Savings

On February 5, Auston Matthews signed a five-year contract extension with the Maple Leafs for $58.15 million. Only $3.65 million of that sum is in the form of regular salary. The rest: $54.5 million, is in signing bonuses.
There may be CBA (collective bargaining agreement) or salary cap reasons for structuring his contract this way, but the tax implications are the exciting stuff!

Enter the concept of signing bonuses. These have become popular in professional sports, especially in the National Hockey League. A signing bonus is defined as a sum of money paid to an employee as an enticement or incentive to join a particular organization or sign a new contract. Exactly what an athlete might need to convince him to join a Canadian team like the Leafs.
From a tax perspective in Canada, a signing bonus is simple: the amount of the bonus is treated as ordinary employment income, and is taxable in the year received. But, when a U.S.-resident athlete receives a signing bonus to play in the NHL for a Canadian team, a special quirk of the Canada-U.S. income tax treaty kicks in.

The treaty provides that a signing bonus paid by a Canadian NHL team to a U.S.-resident player would be taxable in Canada – but that tax may not exceed 15 per cent of the gross amount of the payment.
Assuming the player’s U.S. tax rate exceeds 15 per cent (it does, remember the 37-50 per cent), the bonus would effectively be taxable at a combined rate equal to his normal U.S. rates. And so, there is no Canadian tax cost disadvantage on the signing bonus amount.

Let’s run some quick numbers – does the signing bonus put an end to a common argument against playing in Canada? At the same total dollars, but without a signing bonus, Auston Matthews’s salary in the first year of his contract would be approximately $15.9 million. Based on his number of work days in Canada, $11.6 million of that would be subject to Canadian tax. Imagine for a second he was debating playing for the team in Arizona instead – his U.S. tax on that income would be 41.5 per cent. So comparing the two scenarios, playing in Canada would trigger a 12 per cent tax cost on the Canadian portion of the income, equaling $1.4 million. But with his signing bonus contract, only $700,000 is ordinary salary and $500,000 would be taxed in Canada. The signing bonus drops his cost of playing in Canada to a mere $60,000 for year one. If the debate was between a team in Canada and a team in New York or California, this number would drop even more, since those states’ tax rates are much closer to Canada’s. So, it is possible that by signing this type of contract, Matthews has saved almost $1.3 million in combined taxes in Canada and the U.S. in the first year alone! Seems like enticement or incentive to me.

Let’s run more quick numbers – what does all this mean for tax coffers in Canada? Assuming again the same total dollars but without the signing bonus, $15.9 million salary would have meant the Canadian government would collect $6.2 million from Matthews in the first year of his contract. Instead, thanks to the signing bonus structure, they’ll collect only $2.5 million. Over the life of Matthews’s contract, Revenue Canada will be down approximately $13 million.
https://crowesoberman.com/blog/auston-matthews-shoots-scores-tax-savings/?utm_source=Mondaq&utm_medium=syndication&utm_campaign=View-Original
 
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GGpX

Active member
Yeah, I had read something similar to that a few years ago when the Montreal Alouettes were re-structuring some player contracts. The players would get smaller caphits, but they would be getting more actual money through signing bonuses.
 

Sal_Butera

Active member
I believe Revenue Canada still defines a non-resident as 6-months minus 1-day.

It also might explain (to some extent) why Habs seem to lure more Americans via UFA vs other nationalities - Gionta, Cole, Petry
 
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