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OT: The Official Toronto Raptors Thread

I attended as I have said, a game in Milwaukee,front row, to view Air Jordan, sitting beside Paul Molitor and Teddy Higuera. I saw no evidence of this, although, this obviously existed as evidenced by what you have shown.

But the players back then were compared to today's players, godawful. Lumbering and unathletic.

Sure Jordan was insanely good, but there are players now, that dwarf him in terms of overall ability. One playing for the Raps right now, is a much better player than Jordan was.

Players are all good now. Back then, 3/5's of the players on the court were hilariously bad.
 
Iknowenuff said:
I attended as I have said, a game in Milwaukee,front row, to view Air Jordan, sitting beside Paul Molitor and Teddy Higuera. I saw no evidence of this, although, this obviously existed as evidenced by what you have shown.

But the players back then were compared to today's players, godawful. Lumbering and unathletic.

Sure Jordan was insanely good, but there are players now, that dwarf him in terms of overall ability. One playing for the Raps right now, is a much better player than Jordan was.

Players are all good now. Back then, 3/5's of the players on the court were hilariously bad.
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After his riproaring start, seems like our friend Demar has crashed right back down to his usual barely positive level:

C Gasol .169ws48, 2.6bpm, 0.8rpm --- Poeltl .178ws48, 3.2bpm, 0.9rpm
PF LMA: .157ws48, 1.3bpm, 0.0rpm -- Bertrans .144ws48, 2.8bpm, 2.5rpm
SF Gay: .128ws48, 2.0bpm, 2.6rpm ---- Belli .085ws48, -1.0bpm, -0.6rpm
SG DD: .106ws48, 0.9bpm, 1.6rpm ---- Forbes .071ws48, -0.6bpm, -0.1rpm
PG White: .088ws48, 0.4bpm, 0.6rpm -- Mills .087ws48, 0.1bpm, 0.4rpm

if Murray were healthy, Demar would be the worst starter on the team.

Nice to see Poeltl still doing well in his role, at least.
 
In honour of tonight's game, a midseason Raps-Celts comparison update:


Stars

Kawhi (27): 34.9mpg, 30.3usg%, 61.1ts%, 15.2ast%, 27.2per, .238ws48, 5.6bpm, 2.9rpm
Irving (26): 32.1mpg, 29.3usg%, 59.2ts%, 34.3ast%, 24.5per, .206ws48, 6.9bpm, 5.8rpm

Lowry (32): 34.1mpg, 19.3usg%, 56.0ts%, 38.4ast%, 17.6per, .150ws48, 2.8bpm, 5.1rpm
Horford (32): 27.8mpg, 18.1usg%, 57.0ts%, 20.4ast%, 17.7per, .154ws48, 3.8bpm, 2.1rpm

Siakam (24): 30.9mpg, 19.1usg%, 64.2ts%, 13.2ast%, 18.7per, .175ws48, 3.8bpm, 3.4rpm
Hayward (28): 26.4mpg, 19.0usg%, 53.3ts%, 19.0ast%, 14.5per, .116ws48, 0.5bpm, 0.5rpm

Kyrie is having the best year of his career, but the Raps still take this group handily, as Hayward is a shadow of himself so far (and was probably overrated in the first place), while Siakam has emerged as a legit impact player.

Complementary Starters

Ibaka (29): 28.4mpg, 23.3usg%, 59.1ts%, 8.0ast%, 18.5per, .132ws48, 0.9bpm, 0.3rpm
Tatum (20): 31.1mpg, 22.8usg%, 55.7ts%, 8.6ast%, 16.1per, .119ws48, -0.1bpm, 0.7rpm

Green (31): 29.6mpg, 13.5usg%, 58.6ts%, 5.7ast%, 11.0per, .093ws48, 2.0bpm, 3.2rpm
Smart (24): 26.4mpg, 13.9usg%, 55.1ts%, 20.2ast%, 12.9per, .126ws48, 1.9bpm, 3.6rpm

Celts have the age advantage here, but the experience advantage might be more important in the short term. On the court this year, their contributions have been eerily similar.

Key Bench Pieces (i.e. 8-man rotation)

Jonas (26): 18.8mpg, 26.0usg%, 63.9ts%, 8.4ast%, 25.1per, .229ws48, 1.4bpm, 1.6rpm
Morris (29): 27.3mpg, 21.3usg%, 63.6ts%, 7.8ast%, 17.3per, .159ws48, 0.6bpm, 1.1rpm

Fred (24): 26.8mpg, 18.0usg%, 52.9ts%, 22.9ast%, 13.5per, .105ws48, 0.0bpm, 1.2rpm
Rozier (24): 22.7mpg, 18.4usg%, 48.4ts%, 17.4ast%, 12.4per, .087ws48, -0.5bpm, -0.6rpm

OG (21): 20.9mpg, 16.2usg%, 52.4ts%, 4.7ast%, 9.9per, .061ws48, -1.6bpm, -2.9rpm
Brown (22): 26.3mpg, 21.7usg%, 52.5ts%, 8.3ast%, 12.2per, .065ws48, -2.1bpm, -1.6rpm

Morris having a monstrous career year at 29, but even then, the Raps win this group as well, with the advantage in the first two and the two kids both having disastrous years after looking like quality starters last year.

Deep Depth

Wright (26): 18.4mpg, 16.7usg%, 52.5ts%, 16.3ast%, 14.5per, .118ws48, 1.1bpm, -2.0rpm
Baynes (32): 14.2mpg, 16.8usg%, 57.2ts%, 11.6ast%, 15.2per, .162ws48, 0.6bpm, 1.0rpm

Powell (25): 18.0mpg, 17.2usg%, 57.1ts%, 10.7ast%, 12.0per, .089ws48, -1.1bpm, -0.8rpm
Theis (26): 15.8mpg, 17.0usg%, 61.2ts%, 10.6ast%, 17.2per, .193ws48, 2.2bpm, 1.3rpm

Monroe (28): 11.3mpg, 22.3usg%, 49.7ts%, 5.0ast%, 15.1per, .086ws48, -4.8bpm, -2.3rpm
Williams (21): 8.8mpg, 11.1usg%, 73.6ts%, 3.0ast%, 20.9per, .224ws48, 5.8bpm, -1.6rpm

Miles (31): 14.2mpg, 18.2usg%, 43.2ts%, 5.3ast%, 5.2per, -.015ws48, -5.4bpm, -4.5rpm
Ojeleye (24): 11.2mpg, 14.9usg%, 50.7ts%, 4.6ast%, 8.2per, .053ws48, -4.4bpm, -0.5rpm

Celts have actually had the edge here, as the Raps' deep depth has actually been a weakspot. Delon has been ok, powell has been better but still bad, and CJ has been a disaster. Meanwhile Baynes and Theis have been solid contributors as usual, while Williams has been intriguing when he plays.
 
Now to look at the 2-year stats, to get more of a look at "true talent" instead of just half a season of play:

Note: I acually included a 3rd year for Kawhi and Hayward, as last year was a write off for them. I think this is more fair - and note that this helps Hayward way more than it helps Kawhi.


Stars

Kawhi (27): 33.0mpg, 30.8usg%, 60.9ts%, 17.7ast%, 27.4per, .252ws48, 7.1bpm, 5.4rpm
Irving (26): 32.1mpg, 30.3usg%, 60.3ts%, 32.1ast%, 24.8per, .216ws48, 6.5bpm, 3.6rpm

Lowry (32): 32.6mpg, 20.9usg%, 598.7ts%, 33.3ast%, 18.9per, .180ws48, 4.9bpm, 5.2rpm
Horford (32): 30.4mpg, 18.3usg%, 57.4ts%, 22.6ast%, 17.6per, .161ws48, 4.0bpm, 3.4rpm

Siakam (24): 24.3mpg, 17.2usg%, 59.5ts%, 13.4ast%, 16.4per, .152ws48, 2.9bpm, 2.2rpm
Hayward (28): 31.4mpg, 25.1usg%, 58.1ts%, 18.4ast%, 19.9per, .175ws48, 3.1bpm, 2.2rpm

Solid edge in both top spots for the raps, and Siakam comparing to Hayward real well. Raps' front 3 just looks better.

Complementary Starters

Ibaka (29): 27.8mpg, 20.8usg%, 58.1ts%, 5.7ast%, 16.0per, .122ws48, 0.2bpm, 0.6rpm
Tatum (20): 30.7mpg, 20.6usg%, 57.5ts%, 8.4ast%, 15.6per, .132ws48, 0.6bpm, 2.2rpm

Green (31): 27.1mpg, 15.3usg%, 53.8ts%, 7.6ast%, 11.2per, .084ws48, 1.5bpm, 1.2rpm
Smart (24): 28.3mpg, 17.2usg%, 50.4ts%, 22.3ast%, 11.7per, .084ws48, 0.5bpm, 2.1rpm

Again, very similar performances for these two pairings. Celts' pair has the upside but as of now pretty damn even.

Key Bench Players

Jonas (26): 21.4mpg, 23.5usg%, 63.1ts%, 7.7ast%, 23.1per, .215ws48, 1.4bpm, 1.2rpm
Morris (29): 27.0mpg, 22.2usg%, 58.0ts%, 8.0ast%, 15.7per, .130ws48, -0.7bpm, -0.8rpm

Fred (24): 22.3mpg, 18.7usg%, 54.6ts%, 22.9ast%, 14.9per, .131ws48, 1.2bpm, 2.7rpm
Rozier (24): 24.7mpg, 19.8usg%, 50.9ts%, 17.5ast%, 14.2per, .116ws48, 1.0bpm, 0.6rpm

OG (21): 20.3mpg, 13.7usg%, 56.0ts%, 4.9ast%, 9.9per, .085ws48, -0.2bpm, -0.6rpm
Brown (22): 29.2mpg, 21.5usg%, 54.9ts%, 8.5ast%, 13.2per, .089ws48, -0.8bpm, 0.5rpm

Still a solid edge for the Raps here. Jonas and Fred are just better than Morris and Rozier, while again OG and Brown look similarly bad.

Deep Depth

Wright (26): 19.9mpg, 17.0usg%, 55.7ts%, 18.5ast%, 15.8per, .141ws48, 2.2bpm, 0.4rpm
Theis (26): 15.2mpg, 16.0usg%, 61.4ts%, 9.6ast%, 16.5per, .183ws48, 2.5bpm, 0.7rpm

Monroe (28): 17.2mpg, 22.4usg%, 57.3ts%, 15.5ast%, 19.8per, .139ws48, 0.8bpm, -1.9rpm
Baynes (32): 17.4mpg, 16.8usg%, 51.6ts%, 10.0ast%, 12.7per, .110ws48, -1.2bpm, 0.7rpm


Powell (25): 15.9mpg, 18.4usg%, 51.4ts%, 11.5ast%, 9.5per, .045ws48, -2.3bpm, -3.1rpm
Ojeleye (24): 14.4mpg, 10.4usg%, 48.5ts%, 2.9ast%, 5.4per, .049ws48, -3.7bpm, -3.5rpm

Miles (31): 17.5mpg, 21.2usg%, 52.0ts%, 5.8ast%, 11.0per, .072ws48, -1.8bpm, -1.6rpm
Williams (21): 8.8mpg, 11.1usg%, 73.6ts%, 3.0ast%, 20.9per, .224ws48, 5.8bpm, -1.6rpm

Not much to choose from here.
 
damn tough loss. Celts played like it was the biggest game of the year.

our bench kinda killed us. could really have used Jonas.

still, we were tied late and they took over.
 
Killer93 said:
Kawhi and Kyle out tonight for “load management” Our players are definitely being coddled this year
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this is great. the playoffs are what matter, and if taking a few days off here and there keeps our best players fresh for the playoffs, that is awesome.

plus, a good chance for the rest of the team to get their shit together.
 
Danny Green I think needs a break. He looks to be much slower lately and actually looks in pain to me while running.
 
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