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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

Pay him now, and lock him up for the next 12 years.
With the cost of signing him in 4 years, likely to be in the 300 million range, do it now and hope he is as successful as advertised.
Jmho
 
Do what AA is doing. Give them big $ upfront. Things are going to be changing in MLB. They will be like the early 20's RFAs in hockey now.
 
JackBurton said:
Do what AA is doing. Give them big $ upfront. Things are going to be changing in MLB. They will be like the early 20's RFAs in hockey now.
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Yeah, there's a seismic shift coming in baseball, and AA is at the forefront of it.

These players and their agents have to be realizing that the owners are squeezing them on both ends of their careers now. When they're young and in their prime, the owners keep them in the minors, manipulate their service time to maintain team control for as long as possible, pay them a pittance when they don't have arbitration rights and then fight to pay them as little as possible when they do.

And then when they finally get to free agency and their long-promised payday, unless you're one of the elite of the elite, you're then told that teams don't want to commit a lot of term and dollars to an older player and pay them for what they've already done through their declining years.

So if you're a player, giving up a few UFA years both to get paid immediately and get long-term security is a no-brainer. And it should be a no-brainer for the teams too. Lock up your young stars, keep them happy, and then you're not faced with the difficult decision on whether to let them go in their late 20's when they have some good seasons left, or give them a deal that takes them way deeper into their 30's than you'd like to.
 
LeafGm said:
Yeah, there's a seismic shift coming in baseball, and AA is at the forefront of it.

These players and their agents have to be realizing that the owners are squeezing them on both ends of their careers now. When they're young and in their prime, the owners keep them in the minors, manipulate their service time to maintain team control for as long as possible, pay them a pittance when they don't have arbitration rights and then fight to pay them as little as possible when they do.

And then when they finally get to free agency and their long-promised payday, unless you're one of the elite of the elite, you're then told that teams don't want to commit a lot of term and dollars to an older player and pay them for what they've already done through their declining years.

So if you're a player, giving up a few UFA years both to get paid immediately and get long-term security is a no-brainer. And it should be a no-brainer for the teams too. Lock up your young stars, keep them happy, and then you're not faced with the difficult decision on whether to let them go in their late 20's when they have some good seasons left, or give them a deal that takes them way deeper into their 30's than you'd like to.
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Guys, AA is not giving anyone big money up front. He is locking down their arbitration years at a reasonable rate and getting their first few FA years at an absolute steal. He is working within the existing system to maximize value for the team he manages.

AA did a less extreme version of the same thing way back in the day with Aaron Hill and Adam Lind.

It's not a sure thing that guys like Bichette and Guerrero would be obviously risk-averse like Acuna and Albies, considering their dads were both MLB players that made a lot of money (Dante over $40 milllion, Vlad Sr. over $120M). But it's certainly worth a shot, and you know that if AA were here, he would be doing everything to find exactly how much it would cost to get them signed to extensions ASAP. I'm skeptical that the current front office will even try. I'm not even sure they would consider an offer from the player unless it was some kind of ridiculous Albies-esque bargain, and even then probably not for a year or two.
 
manny said:
Guys, AA is not giving anyone big money up front. He is locking down their arbitration years at a reasonable rate and getting their first few FA years at an absolute steal. He is working within the existing system to maximize value for the team he manages.

AA did a less extreme version of the same thing way back in the day with Aaron Hill and Adam Lind.

It's not a sure thing that guys like Bichette and Guerrero would be obviously risk-averse like Acuna and Albies, considering their dads were both MLB players that made a lot of money (Dante over $40 milllion, Vlad Sr. over $120M). But it's certainly worth a shot, and you know that if AA were here, he would be doing everything to find exactly how much it would cost to get them signed to extensions ASAP. I'm skeptical that the current front office will even try. I'm not even sure they would consider an offer from the player unless it was some kind of ridiculous Albies-esque bargain, and even then probably not for a year or two.
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Well, they signed Grichuk before they needed to, and Cleveland has always been big about locking up their young talent (Ramirez, Kluber, Gomes, Carrasco, although obviously not all of them were under this management). But yeah, the fact that neither Bo nor Vlad likely have any real need for the money, as opposed to guys like Albies or Acuna where the money they signed for guarantees their entire family is set for life, might be a big difference.
 
Atkins said this last week:

"Socrates, what has stood out is that there is incredible, incredible upside and potential with him"

That's an actual quote from the GM.

He is watching a different sport.
 
manny said:
Atkins said this last week:

"Socrates, what has stood out is that there is incredible, incredible upside and potential with him"

That's an actual quote from the GM.

He is watching a different sport.
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There's potential there. Sadly, there's just no actual talent.
 
And Edwin has a 158 wRC+ on a sustainable as hell looking .275 babip.

But no, it wasn't worth trying to keep the contender gang together and add to it instead of spend the same amount of money doing a fake tear down.
 
I guess the question is:

Are the Jays a contender with some combination of the following team? I would think so.

Travis/Bichette
Donaldson
Edwin
Smoak/Tellez --- not both these guys obv
Gurriel
Vladdy
Jensen/Martin
Pillar/Hernandez/Grichuk
A shortstop


Rotation:
Price
Stroman
Sanchez
Borucki
Someone

Pen:
Biagini
Tapera
Osuna
others
 
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better question: would we be any worse off than we are now, in any respect (other than rogers' wallet)?
 
zeke said:
better question: would we be any worse off than we are now, in any respect (other than rogers' wallet)?
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Nope. Even if the team was bad (which on paper it doesn't look like it would be), there are legitimate assets there that can be turned into high end prospects at the deadline.

Shatkins has done an abysmal job. They did a terrible job fake contending, and they've done a terrible job fake rebuilding.
 
CaptainBolduke said:
Is Rogers' wallet better when we suck like this?
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I think they thought it was going to be. Some accountant probably looked at the numbers from previous eras of mediocre product and assumed a certain floor of fan support, both in the ballpark and on their shitty telecast.

They're going to be surprised I think.
 
shatkins probably sold them some BS about keeping revenue up while lowering salary and expenditures.

asshats reap what the **** they sow.
 
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Thursdays (1): 45048 (home opener)
Fridays (2): 17690
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Total Average: 19724
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