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    So what you're saying is that the countries taking their own approach would have ended up better than a bunch of countries ignoring the EU quota mandate and taking their own approach ended up?

    The EU had a quota and a bunch of member nations ignored it. How it shook down actually flies in the face of a bunch of euro skepticism logic. This idea that the all powerful bureaucrats in Brussels dictate terms to member states and they have to do the bidding of the "unelected" suits in Brussels turned out to be horseshit, didn't it? Individual member states stepped up, severely complicated an already unprecedented situation by putting additional burden on member states willing to pitch in to fix a problem that wasn't of Europe's making, and made their own policy of **** the refugees on the fly.
    One hundred percent. Individual countries with controls over their borders would have handled this far better than the debacle that is the EU ended up doing. Greece and Italy could have used their naval assets and stopped refugees from landing on their shores. Once their, greece and italian neighbors could have stopped refugees at their borders as opposed to letting them walk through Europe. The increased difficulty would have discouraged other migrants from trying to make the trip. And the refugees in europe wouldn't be forced onto other member states that wanted nothing to do with them. The EU made a manageable crisis into a disorganized mess.


    I think that when you're a solid 4+ years into the recovery, you can stop calling it recovery. The Europeans handled the 08/09 crisis incredibly poorly, no argument there. Austerity was a terrible idea and it caused a pretty strong double dip.
    The Europeans did handle it very poorly, much more poorly than they would have without the EU in place. Countries that wanted nothing to do with austerity had no choice but to follow it. The financial and human misery that followed that was horrible.

    But the first point you're making here is silly. There's been solid, broad based growth in Europe for 4 years now pretty damn close to across the board. You're trying to spin it negatively somehow.
    It's a positive, no doubt, but lets not forget what preceded it.
    The second point has some merit, but I really don't have the patience to delve into this to show why it probably plays out really badly for the heavily debt ridden nations (it was really only PIIGS that double dipped) trying to access foreign credit at that time. Sure, they can debase the currency to get some debt relief but that only really works if you're exporting a pile of goods (not really any heavyweight manufacturing nations that took the double dip shit kicking).
    The Euro is a weird currency, in that when it helps a nation it can really propel them forward and when it doesn't help it really drags them down.

    The classic case here being Germany versus the pigs.

    The Euro right now is 1.24 American dollars. If Germany was using Deutsche Mark, it would be valued well higher than that. The PIIGS and France act as a drag on the currency, and Germany reaps the rewards. Their exports are far more attractive when priced in EUROs. The opposite is true in every respect when talking about the PIIGS. Everything from exports to tourism is negatively effected by having a higher valued currency. They aren't as efficient or productive as the Germans and Scandinavians, or have the lower wages of the eastern bloc, and as a result they are absolutely noncompetitive using the EURO. Their one great equalizer would have been that the Franc, Lira or Drachma would have made their products cheaper in comparison to what is likely to have been a soaring German Mark, instead of the EURO acting as a drag. The Brits, even with Brexit going sideways, can bank on devaluing the pound in order to remain competitive with the mainland, a luxury that the European Union strips away from individual member states.

    To make matters worse, each country still needs to finance debt individually. But instead of printing money (inflation, I know) to help them out, they have to beg for handouts. With less ability to finance themselves, their rates rise even more, which makes it harder to finance themselves, and they get stuck in the death cycle that you see the countries being dragged down by being attached to the same currency as Germany. Countries can survive( to a point) as long as they can print money. European under performers either die or hand over their finance department to the EU. It's a shitty system. There are only two solutions to fix it. Either countries revert back to individual currencies or they need to have the ECB act as a lender of last resort. At that point, the EU is no longer a collection of individual nations under the same banner, and more of a federation with the once who controls the purse strings the once with all the power.

    With the way the EU is currently run and constructed, that's the last thing the world needs.

    Weird, I don't remember mentioning the Swiss or the Norwegians at all. If you would like to discuss their GDP growth though, feel free to ask. You might want to take a quick peak at how they're doing versus their contemporaries first though, I won't spoil it for you.
    The swiss economy is projected to grow a healthy 2.6 percent, almost in line with germany this year, and that beats out Italy 1.6, France 2.0, Denmark 0.4, Portugal 2.3, Greece 1.6.

    So without being in the EU they are in the middle of the road of growth. What of it?

    Norway, yeah under performing, but I give a pass to any nation with 5 million citizens and a sovereign wealth fund worth a trillion dollars.


    A little empathy goes a long way with populists? You're just making this shit up as you go. A large part of the public perception problem is "empathy" of sorts. Instead of taking ownership of local issues, generations of politicians have tried to soothe and empathized their populations by pointing at the bad men in Brussels and proclaimed them as the problem.

    If people are having issues ( and they are having issues) with the large unflux of migrants landing on their shores, having a plan to deal with that would be empathy. The ruling party in italy more or less told them that there was no problem, or that it was exaggerated and it's no surprise that they got hammered for it. The populist parties came up with solutions and a target to blame for the issue in the first place, and you see what happened. Same thing happened in the states. Trump sold people that he would bring their jobs back, Clinton told them they were gone and find new employment.
    Hillary was right, but that was facts, not empathy.
    Again....you used to claim that it was right around the corner, almost 2 years ago now.
    True. I saw what happened in France and realized that this was going to take a bit longer than i originally anticipated.Ever since the french election I have said and stood by the fact that if the establishment in the EU and the mainstream parties of European countries do not tackle the root causes of what is fueling the anti establishment, anti EU sentiment, it will continue to grow and less and less people will trust the mainstream parties to solve their real or perceived problems.

    France has turned a corner I will say, but countries like Germany and Italy have not. Thankfully, I don't think the EU can survive with one or two more members deciding that they have had enough and would rather go it alone, so I really only need to be right once or twice more( depending on the country, nobody would give a **** if Ireland left for example)

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    “When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.”

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    RIP Mr.Hawking

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    ah perfect gif

    rip dr hawking

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    Who will fill the void?

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    Probably Edward Witten. He kick started the modern superstring theory revolution, which is kind of massive.

    Peter Higgs is still alive (Higgs Boson, Higgs field, etc), so is Freeman Dyson for that matter (though he's 94), & Weinberg but they're all in their 80's or older. Witten is probably the giant in that field (physics, cosmology), though Guth belongs in the argument as well (discovered cosmic inflation, also kind of a big deal).

    Ed Witten is fairly media averse though, so for public consumption it's probably going to remain NDT doing his Carl Sagan thing.

    We are definitely running out of some of the old guard that made huge changes in the way we see the universe. They're mostly in their 70's-90's now

    There are others, but these fields are getting so ridiculously specialized that the big (read: easy for us plebs to understand) discoveries are largely handled and the new guard are digging deeper and deeper into shit so ridiculously esoteric that normal humans need a few degrees of simplified explanation before it makes any sense as to what was discovered and it's meanings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altair View Post
    Anti euro lega party has won 18 percent of the vote, and anti establishment 5 star movement has won 32 percent of the vote, making it possible for Italy to be run by euro sceptics.

    Mainstream parties got hammered.

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    Italy right-wing leader says open to coalition with 5-Stars

    http://montrealgazette.com/pmn/news-...9-f4be54a20163

    ROME — Italian Euro-skeptic leader Matteo Salvini says he’s open to ruling in coalition with the 5-Star Movement if the populists, who also scored big in this month’s elections, adopt his proposals, including a flat-tax system and lowering the retirement age.

    Salvini told reporters in Rome on Wednesday that “anything is possible” regarding a government partner except for a deal with the “defeated” Democrats.

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    p.s. don't forget about the Aliens.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zeke View Post
    p.s. don't forget about the Aliens.


    https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/al...-vi-1823749096
    It's honestly more likely that these (as in, everything we've seen as a species that we currently would potentially consider a UFO) are black bag programs with a terrestrial origin than they are from another planet.

    If we're going to entertain the option that it's extra terrestrial in origin I think we have to consider one of two likely scenarios. First that it's from a species a far enough distance away that FTL propulsion is required for them to reach earth. The issue here is that they would have such an incredible mastery of physics that any technology they developed would be (if they chose it to be) unseen, unheard and entirely unnoticed. It would be as much more advanced than we are, as we are of some our brighter non human inhabitants on the planet. They would have long known that we were here, and sentient by the shroud of electro magnetic communication signals we've been sending out for about 100 years. If they were choosing to not be seen, they have a funny way of going about it. If they're choosing to be seen, they again have a funny way of going about it. If they're ambivalent about being seen, why bother spending the resources on showing up in the first place. Earth isn't a particularly interesting planet beyond the fact that it's the only spot in this particular cosmic neighbourhood that has obvious sentient life.


    If they're from the immediate cosmic neighbourhood (where FTL isn't required to send mechnical probes...we're only a generation or two away from sending stuff to neighbouring stars) we probably see evidence of them before we see little probes buzzing F18's

    This is all ape brain conjecture from someone with a limited understanding of even our limited understanding of the universe and what is possible technologically within it, but I think occams razor applies here. The simplest explanation is that there is off the books tech we just haven't seen yet. There's a pile of examples of this phenomena through out modern human history. I've followed tech news since I was a teenager and there's been a lot of theoretical breakthroughs over that time that you don't hear so much about after it occurs. There's good reasons for most of that, not economically feasible, science journalism being shit in general and pumping up everything as a new breakthrough to generate readership/clicks, etc but I have a hard time believing that we don't have some crazy black bag shit when they black bag skunkworks that we know about (Darpa) has done this (that we know of) over the last bunch of decades:

    1969 - The internet
    1969 - the first generation of GUI that would later go on to become Windows
    1971 - Street level mapping (beat google maps by almost 40 years)
    2003 - Voice recognition AI (Siri, etc)
    1973 - GPS
    1970 - Stealth technology
    2002 - the underpinning technology of autonomous robots (cars, the little *******s that run around the Amazon warehouse picking orders, etc)

    and the new shit that we know about?

    2014 - Excaliber laser. Can hit targets in space and is 10% the size of current high powered lasers being worked on commercially by the defence industry
    2012 - Started studying the concept behind the film Avator.(anyone else notice the explosion of brain interface tech over the last couple of years? Limbs, vehicles, etc)
    2018 - UHPC, apparently the protoype is out this year. 50x more power efficient than existing processors, with an exaflop of computing power. The Chinese are apparently playing with a 55 petaflop (55 quadrillion operations per second), and exaflop is 1000 petaflops....and is the same unit of measurement most researchers use to describe the amount of operations the human brain is capable of.


    I'm pretty sure an unknown Darpa project that has been around for years could look a hell of a lot like aliens to us, and Darpa is just the program that we know exists.
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    pfft.

    aliens.
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    The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude larger than is required to produce it.

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    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/14/healt...udy/index.html

    Spending a year in space not only changes your outlook, it transforms your genes.

    Preliminary results from NASA's Twins Study reveal that 7% of astronaut Scott Kelly's genes did not return to normal after his return to Earth two years ago.
    The study looks at what happened to Kelly before, during and after he spent one year aboard the International Space Station through an extensive comparison with his identical twin, Mark, who remained on Earth.
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    kids these days
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    I think we should arm the parents so that they can protect unarmed children from this type of mental illness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MindzEye View Post
    I think we should arm the parents so that they can protect unarmed children from this type of mental illness.
    Don't forget that we need to arm all the children too. Arming an authority figure like a parent is a good first step, but there's no better safeguard against a bad kid with a gun than a good kid with a gun!
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    Problem solved
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