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    I know it's easy for me to say, but I can't imagine ever wanting to WATCH someone die.

    Would I want them to no longer be alive? Not sure, but I could see myself bending on that one. Not to say that it would be the 'right' reaction.

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    I'd be more likely to hope the guy gets off on a technicality so I can plan a brilliant and agonizing death for the prick myself.

    But I'll be honest, I'm not entirely right in the head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MindzEye View Post
    the problem I have with letting someone who isn't able to be rehabilitated (and in this case, I'd say that tag is apt) is that I want no part in paying 40-50K per year for the next 50 years to watch him rot.

    Seriously...that's 2.5 million dollars spent (quite a bit higher total number as well when you factor in inflation over that time period) that could have been put to much better use by society.

    I firmly believe that most criminals can be rehabilitated, but for the ones that can't....well, see, there's my 1% problem.
    If money is the biggest issue, capital punishment costs a lot more. I'll look for some proof.

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    Please do, because that seems really counter intuitive.
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    First article that came up when I googled:

    http://law.jrank.org/pages/5002/Capi...UNISHMENT.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Factinista View Post
    I don't really have any proof handy, but I'm pretty sure capital punishment costs a lot more than life in prison.

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    And wanting to actually watch someone die, no matter what they did, is pretty ****ed up.
    Point 1...how do you figure?

    Point 2...I agree, but I'd have to be in the victims' families shoes to know for sure. There may be some closure there.

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    read it...interesting.

    I guess that's proof that the U.S can systemically **** anything up. I agree that the burden of the proof should be much higher for a death sentence conviction but having a convoluted appeals process that costs (in 1990 dollars) 275K per appeal....wow
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    Okay I saw your link for point one, but that's just our usual bloatware legal system at work...that can be fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Factinista View Post
    I don't really have any proof handy, but I'm pretty sure capital punishment costs a lot more than life in prison.

    Kick all the pot smokers out and there should be plenty of room.

    And though I really don't care all that much if a murder/rapist/diddler dies or not, we really can't kill people and call ourselves a civilized society. Plus, like others mentioned, it's a far worse punishment to let these scumbags rot in jail for half a century.

    And wanting to actually watch someone die, no matter what they did, is pretty ****ed up.
    That's an old myth...but the cost of killing an inmate is so high because of the appeals process.

    Get rid of that outlet, and the fact that most inmates sit in prison for 10+ years and you have a cost effective way of dealing with societies WORST.

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    Edit: I see you posted that link re: appeals being the major cost.

    Good to see I remembered some things from University.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corksens View Post
    That's an old myth...but the cost of killing an inmate is so high because of the appeals process.

    Get rid of that outlet, and the fact that most inmates sit in prison for 10+ years and you have a cost effective way of dealing with societies WORST.
    Well, I don't think you're doing society any favours by eliminating the appeals process, though streamlining it is definitely something that would have to be considered.
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    To keep with our law & order theme so far

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091027/...us_feces_smear

    SAN DIEGO – A man who sneaked a bag of his feces into a San Diego courtroom during his home-invasion robbery trial, smeared it on his lawyer and threw it at jurors has been sentenced to 31 years in prison.

    Superior Court Judge Frank Brown on Monday sentenced Weusi McGowan for robbery, burglary and two assault charges stemming from the feces-flinging incident during his January trial.

    McGowan, who attorneys say suffers from mental illness, had asked for a mistrial because he believed jurors had seen him in restraints when he entered the courtroom.

    Several days after his request was denied, McGowan pulled out a bag of excrement he had hidden in his clothing, rubbed it on his lawyer and tossed it at the jury, hitting one juror's computer case.
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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091027/...a_north_defect

    SEOUL (Reuters) – A South Korean man who worked at Samsung Electronics' semiconductor unit and more recently at a pig farm has defected to the communist North by walking across the heavily mined border, the North's state media said on Tuesday.

    Crossings are rare through the razor-wire and land-mined Demilitarised Zone buffer that divides the peninsula. But defections to the impoverished North from the affluent South are even rarer, with the last one likely taking place about four years ago.

    The rival Koreas remain technically at war because they never replaced the armistice ending their 1950-53 conflict with a peace treaty.

    "He is beside himself with joy for having accomplished this heroic deed," the North's KCNA news agency said. It identified the defector as Kang Dong-rim, 30.

    South Korea's military and spy agency could not immediately confirm the report.

    "He is now under the warm care of a relevant organ," KCNA said.

    Since 2006, more than 2,000 North Koreans a year have defected to the South after crossing the longer and less perilous border with China. More than 16,000 North Koreans have defected to the South since 1953.

    In 2005, KCNA said a man sailed through a volley of bullets to defect to the North. The South's military said at the time his family suspected he was drunk.
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    What are the numbers now on convicted murderers having their sentences overturned due to DNA evidence?

    something ridiculous, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corksens View Post
    Edit: I see you posted that link re: appeals being the major cost.

    Good to see I remembered some things from University.
    If you're going to kill someone, you better make damn sure you've got the right guy. And like zeke said, the number of wrongful murder convictions is pretty scary.

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    though I guess we can now say go for it if there's clear DNA evidence.

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    "the warm care of a relevant organ" that is f*cking hilarious.

    i think i'm going to go put my wife under the "warm care of a relevant organ" now!
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    I think that's the first funny thing you've ever said, kb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theREALkoreaboy View Post
    "the warm care of a relevant organ" that is f*cking hilarious.

    i think i'm going to go put my wife under the "warm care of a relevant organ" now!
    Hahaha. Good stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeke View Post
    though I guess we can now say go for it if there's clear DNA evidence.
    That's the other side of the coin.

    With DNA, photo evidence, confessions, or some conclusive combination of the three...off with their head. I don't see why not...and I don't see why more than one appeal should be granted.

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