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OT: American Politics

Most Republicans believed the birther argument re: Obama, so combatting stupid arguments may not be effective.

I’m not sure how this resolves itself.
 
Biden's advantage is that he has a little of that "grandpa" charm that Trump's attacks are going to be odd against him. Against a lot of the frontrunners like Bernie, Warren, Harris, Buttieg, etc... Trump is going to have a lot of fun laying into them, and there's a chance people will respond to that. But Biden's baggage isn't stuff that I can see Trump trying very well to attack, so that's his big edge in my eyes. Not sure I'd take him first, but I could see an argument that he'd be the top choice. I also think he's less likely to get thrown off trying to respond to Trump's allegations, which I think could be a problem with Bernie/Warren, who are probably going to try to confront Trump's Lies. Whether that's the right strategy, hard to say.
 
At the end of the day you just need to make up 13,000 votes in Michigan, 27,000 in Wisconsin and 68,000 in Pennsylvania.

Anyone who voted for Hillary in 2016 is going to vote Dem again.

Travel bans, tax cuts for the rich, trade wars and tariffs, fellating dictators, Russia shit, Cohen cover up, tax return withholding, Charlottesville, Puerto Rico, babies in cages, cabinet members resigning in scandal, transgender military ban, covering for Saudi murder, drooling for a war in Iran, telling people to ignore subpoenas from Congress, abortion rights, climate change.

I probably forgot a few but surely, surely... that’s enough to rustle up 100k more votes in 3 states almost no matter who the nominee is.

Edit: Seeing a few places that my numbers are wrong and it’s actually 77,000 between those three states. Even better.
 
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Most Republicans believed the birther argument re: Obama, so combatting stupid arguments may not be effective.

I’m not sure how this resolves itself.

You can survive with 30% morons. The other 70% just has to remove shit from their lexicon like "I didn't like the candidate". When your only other choice is people who pander to, and whenever possible, whip up complete mouth breathers, you just don't have a ****ing choice.
 
Biden's advantage is that he has a little of that "grandpa" charm that Trump's attacks are going to be odd against him. Against a lot of the frontrunners like Bernie, Warren, Harris, Buttieg, etc... Trump is going to have a lot of fun laying into them, and there's a chance people will respond to that. But Biden's baggage isn't stuff that I can see Trump trying very well to attack, so that's his big edge in my eyes. Not sure I'd take him first, but I could see an argument that he'd be the top choice. I also think he's less likely to get thrown off trying to respond to Trump's allegations, which I think could be a problem with Bernie/Warren, who are probably going to try to confront Trump's Lies. Whether that's the right strategy, hard to say.
Sanders is too busy trying to fix Americas problems to be drawn into petty attacks by trump.

Biden, on the other hand, will likely do nothing but respond to Trump. He has no grand vision for America, his campaign slogan is probably going to be "Trump is bad for america, we need decent leadership again, that's me. Yup. "

Biden isn't going to ramp up democrat turnout come election night, feminists, socialists, environmentalists, young people, they aren't coming out for the empty suit biden represents on election night. Biden plays well to the corporate democrats, Hillary's base. If MAGA ramps up their turnout Trump might sneak in again.
 
At the end of the day you just need to make up 13,000 votes in Michigan, 27,000 in Wisconsin and 68,000 in Pennsylvania.

Anyone who voted for Hillary in 2016 is going to vote Dem again.

Travel bans, tax cuts for the rich, trade wars and tariffs, fellating dictators, Russia shit, Cohen cover up, tax return withholding, Charlottesville, Puerto Rico, babies in cages, cabinet members resigning in scandal, transgender military ban, covering for Saudi murder, drooling for a war in Iran, telling people to ignore subpoenas from Congress, abortion rights, climate change.

I probably forgot a few but surely, surely... that’s enough to rustle up 100k more votes in 3 states almost no matter who the nominee is.

Edit: Seeing a few places that my numbers are wrong and it’s actually 77,000 between those three states. Even better.

Yup, and bring in a Sanders type to snatch those anti establishment voters from trump and he's done.

Then America can finally start to catch up to the rest of the western world with a healthy dose of "socialism".

Government provided healthcare

Graduating post secondary education without crippling debt

Common sense gun legislation

Or just go with biden who will keep a steady hand on the wheel of the nation for 4 years doing sweet **** all except not be trump.
 
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No matter who wins any radical changes will be epic, hard won battles. Probably much less will get done than (a) Democrats want, and (b) Republicans fear.
 
On a micro, individual level? Combat bad ideas. Don't allow stupidity to perpetuate in your presence.

On a macro level? Never support a politician that isn't for improving public education and other obvious fact based policies. Support them with your time and money if necessary.

In order to do this you have to get rid of gullibility. Unfortunately the majority of voters are gullible.
 
The same people who didn't vote for Hillary are going to stay home for Biden.

Biden is the safe establishment bet and the Dems will have proven they have learned nothing at all from 2016 if they pick him.

The only hope biden has is that republicans sick of trump stay home.

Meanwhile sanders has a generation of young people looking for solutions to the problems the boomers have dumped on them ready to vote for him, but no.

there is a bit of a balance here

trump vs sanders might actually get trump voters out to vote more to stop the evil communist
 
there is a bit of a balance here

trump vs sanders might actually get trump voters out to vote more to stop the evil communist

Can't worry about how energized the 40% is. Worry about energizing the other 60% and you win in landslide type fashion.
 
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In his remarks tonight, Trump called the Laffer Curve “still, a very, very highly respected economic curve”
 
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Brad Heath
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The Trump administration argued court Tuesday that the government is not required to give soap or toothbrushes to children apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border and can have them sleep on concrete floors in frigid, overcrowded cells.




Remember, the current conservative talking point is that these camps "aren't as bad as nazi concentration camps!".
 
My only question to anyone who supports that shit show would be: Okay then, what's your breaking point?

I keep seeing silly rebuttals online "oh well, what are we supposed to do with people trying to get in illegally"? So okay, where's the line?
 
there's no line.

people like to think the germans must have just been pure evil, but they were just human, and the line kept moving.
 
there's no line.

people like to think the germans must have just been pure evil, but they were just human, and the line kept moving.

Yep. If you had told Republicans 10 years ago about this, they would have gotten all up in arms and claimed that they would never support it.
 
I forget where I read it but apparently the incumbent President gets re-elected overwhelmingly during times of war. If they’re pushing this war just to get reelection then that’s beyond evil. Innocent lives by the tens of thousands sacrificed for a second term?

There is no need for war with Iran, they aren’t the global threat being portrayed.
 
I forget where I read it but apparently the incumbent President gets re-elected overwhelmingly during times of war. If they’re pushing this war just to get reelection then that’s beyond evil. Innocent lives by the tens of thousands sacrificed for a second term?

There is no need for war with Iran, they aren’t the global threat being portrayed.

I assert with a high degree of confidence that is exactly what all this posturing is about. Both on the border and with Iran.

There is no low Trump will stoop to that will surprise me any longer. He clearly has no ethical code or any use for morality.
 
I know it's not this simplistic, but it's hard not to see a pattern here:

Bush Sr - Desert Storm
Bush Jr - Desert Storm PT 2
Trump - Iran?

Why wouldn't Trump do it? It's what the Republicans do, no?
 
This idiocy serves everyone’s purpose... MBS, MBZ, hardline mullahs, Netanyahu.

Eventually they’ll figure out how to make the Putin look like the hero, remove sanctions and starting building the nuke facilities in Sawdi Arabia. Juicy lolly for contractors!
 
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