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and of course, these thugs will now get rewarded for it:

Laura Ingraham @IngrahamAngle
EXCLUSIVE on the new #LauraIngrahamPodcast — the Covington Catholic students threatened by the leftist internet mob will be meeting with @realDonaldTrump at the White House as early as tomorrow. @iTunes @PodcastOne
 
Wayward DP said:
the more videos I have watched, the more offensive the conduct of the kids and their chaperones becomes...
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I got to the game a little late, after the taunting of the BHI dudes was in the conversation, so my opinion of the conduct of the kids and their chaperones hasn't changed much at all.

It's still a group of teenagers racially taunting a native protestor. That some BHI nutters wound them up first doesn't mean a whole lot to me. That's what the adults they were with are there for no? Settle the kids down, move them away from the BHI loons and treat it as a teachable moment (when you argue with a moron, someone from a distance can't tell who is who, right?). Instead, the kids apparently asked for permission to continue engaging these guys with chants, the adults there allow it and a bunch of stupid, excitable kids go and do stupid excitable things. Native protestor interjects himself into the situation and voila, a bunch of white kids are chanting, tomahawk chopping, generally taunting and attempting to intimidate a war veteran (which is apparently supposed to be venerated above all other things in the US, at least according to my own experiences at sporting events in the US, where they jerk off to military veterans of every stripe at every opportunity. Weird that it doesn't appear to apply with the flag waving crowd here. Really weird.)

I guess I miss the whole hysteria about the MSM juicing the early narrative because I try to ignore MSM coverage of social matters until the body has started to cool a bit. Had they been a touch more balanced from the onset, it becomes a lot harder for this nonsense right wing narrative to appear solid to anyone who isn't predisposed to their slant. It doesn't change the meat of the issue for me at all, but appearances can be a bitch and that particular gang gets so screechy whenever they can point at the media being "unfair" to them, so here we are.
 
MindzEye said:
I got to the game a little late, after the taunting of the BHI dudes was in the conversation, so my opinion of the conduct of the kids and their chaperones hasn't changed much at all.

It's still a group of teenagers racially taunting a native protestor. That some BHI nutters wound them up first doesn't mean a whole lot to me. That's what the adults they were with are there for no? Settle the kids down, move them away from the BHI loons and treat it as a teachable moment (when you argue with a moron, someone from a distance can't tell who is who, right?). Instead, the kids apparently asked for permission to continue engaging these guys with chants, the adults there allow it and a bunch of stupid, excitable kids go and do stupid excitable things. Native protestor interjects himself into the situation and voila, a bunch of white kids are chanting, tomahawk chopping, generally taunting and attempting to intimidate a war veteran (which is apparently supposed to be venerated above all other things in the US, at least according to my own experiences at sporting events in the US, where they jerk off to military veterans of every stripe at every opportunity. Weird that it doesn't appear to apply with the flag waving crowd here. Really weird.)

I guess I miss the whole hysteria about the MSM juicing the early narrative because I try to ignore MSM coverage of social matters until the body has started to cool a bit. Had they been a touch more balanced from the onset, it becomes a lot harder for this nonsense right wing narrative to appear solid to anyone who isn't predisposed to their slant. It doesn't change the meat of the issue for me at all, but appearances can be a bitch and that particular gang gets so screechy whenever they can point at the media being "unfair" to them, so here we are.
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BHI group was the worst of the bunch I must say.
 
oscarheyman said:
Did those other videos really show things in a different light though?
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somewhat

the black men were taunting the lone black kid at the school and calling him names

Then Phillips walks to the crowd of virgins and stood right in front of the punchable one and banged his drum.

Now I might not have stood there with a cheshire cat grin but they did not surround him, he walked where they were.

Look I get it, they are white, anti choice and Dump supporters so according to many, they are automatically at fault, but from certain angles they might not be as bad as some make out.

I am sure though, that even Manichean Zeke cannot condone anonymous individuals online making death threats against the virgins.
 
I am sure though, that even Manichean Zeke cannot condone anonymous individuals online making death threats against the virgins.
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So, it's sad to say and all, but who doesn't get anonymous death threats on the internet anymore? We're past the point of this having any meaning in public conversation, no? Yes, I understand what an indictment of civil society that is, but it's just the truth.

The survivors of the Parkland shooting have received death threats ffs. Death threats have jumped the shark, they're just a fact of modern public life.
 
Altair said:
Not too many people speaking about them though.
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Hate group preaches hatred, film at 11.

Not much to say about them, no? I haven't heard much about Westboro baptist lately either and they're still out there doing their loony shit. With that said, other than acting as jerk off wind up merchants, I'm not sure how much of the narrative here is really about BHI. The spectacular thing here is that a group of catholic high school students were acting like racially/culturally insensitive twats on an official school field trip under the watchful eye of their chaperones. It gives a bit of a scary window into what's going on in the world of christian white america. Fringe nutters are going to be fringe nutters, but this is the attitude of "mainstream" white america we were made privy to and it's pretty ****ed up.

Are BHI worse? Yeah, absolutely. They ****ing better be, or again, America has society shattering problems. But the ramblings of fringe nutters are exactly that, they're not a real concern to me despite being worse (and well worthy of ongoing condemnation).
 
TheCountofMonteCristo said:
somewhat

the black men were taunting the lone black kid at the school and calling him names

Then Phillips walks to the crowd of virgins and stood right in front of the punchable one and banged his drum.

Now I might not have stood there with a cheshire cat grin but they did not surround him, he walked where they were.

Look I get it, they are white, anti choice and Dump supporters so according to many, they are automatically at fault, but from certain angles they might not be as bad as some make out.

I am sure though, that even Manichean Zeke cannot condone anonymous individuals online making death threats against the virgins.
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this is a very selective retelling, omitting a lot of relevant facts, counsellor.
 
MindzEye said:
I got to the game a little late, after the taunting of the BHI dudes was in the conversation, so my opinion of the conduct of the kids and their chaperones hasn't changed much at all.

It's still a group of teenagers racially taunting a native protestor. That some BHI nutters wound them up first doesn't mean a whole lot to me. That's what the adults they were with are there for no? Settle the kids down, move them away from the BHI loons and treat it as a teachable moment (when you argue with a moron, someone from a distance can't tell who is who, right?). Instead, the kids apparently asked for permission to continue engaging these guys with chants, the adults there allow it and a bunch of stupid, excitable kids go and do stupid excitable things. Native protestor interjects himself into the situation and voila, a bunch of white kids are chanting, tomahawk chopping, generally taunting and attempting to intimidate a war veteran (which is apparently supposed to be venerated above all other things in the US, at least according to my own experiences at sporting events in the US, where they jerk off to military veterans of every stripe at every opportunity. Weird that it doesn't appear to apply with the flag waving crowd here. Really weird.)

I guess I miss the whole hysteria about the MSM juicing the early narrative because I try to ignore MSM coverage of social matters until the body has started to cool a bit. Had they been a touch more balanced from the onset, it becomes a lot harder for this nonsense right wing narrative to appear solid to anyone who isn't predisposed to their slant. It doesn't change the meat of the issue for me at all, but appearances can be a bitch and that particular gang gets so screechy whenever they can point at the media being "unfair" to them, so here we are.
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the way I see it is, the MSM ****ed up in their initial reporting.

but at the end of the day, they just got the narrative slightly wrong. the actions of the Covington crew deserve our scorn, and lots of it.
 
TheCountofMonteCristo said:
somewhat

the black men were taunting the lone black kid at the school and calling him names

Then Phillips walks to the crowd of virgins and stood right in front of the punchable one and banged his drum.

Now I might not have stood there with a cheshire cat grin but they did not surround him, he walked where they were.

Look I get it, they are white, anti choice and Dump supporters so according to many, they are automatically at fault, but from certain angles they might not be as bad as some make out.

I am sure though, that even Manichean Zeke cannot condone anonymous individuals online making death threats against the virgins.
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the BHI were doing their thing. they are obnoxious. they are inappropriate. they are a hate group. this is not really in dispute.

however, there were five of them, and they were stationary. from all available evidence I have seen, the Covington crew approached, then surrounded, then engaged with them. when you see lunatics yelling hateful things, do you stand and watch and make a scene, or just simply move on? the chaperones should not have let them engage.

then, before Phillips arrive, the kids appear to do a mocking version of the Haka. then Phillips arrives, placing himself between BHI and Covington, and the kids proceed to en masse mock him with what I would consider to be pretty explicitly racist behaviour (i.e. tomahawk chop).

and, if you watch the videos carefully, it appears as though Phillips is trying to make his way up the steps with his drum. all the kids seem to implicitly understand this and move out of his way, except punchy. now, this part is certainly open to interpretation and up for debate.

but I'm not sure what those kids were doing there to begin with, literally loitering around while a bunch of BHI idiots spouted off. and this 'waiting for the bus' thing is BS. there are no roads near where they were. if they were really waiting for a bus it would be adjacent to a road.

to me, this is all on the chaperones. and of course, we haven't even gotten into a school trip to protest abortion...
 
and of course, we haven't even gotten into a school trip to protest abortion...
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Yeah, the entire conversation grants this as something entirely normal for a bunch of high schoolers to do when it clearly isn't. Free speech is free speech, so do what you do, but this isn't "normal" shit for a teenager.
 
one thing I do agree with Count about though is the death threats to the kids. that is over the top. and the doxxing, etc. that I do not support in the least.

but calling them out on their behaviour? definitely okay.
 
Kids do stupid things. Especially ones with stupid parents. Its not fair to make that kid the face of everything wrong in America. There is no point in pretending like they weren't being *******s though. The adults supervising that trip, and the school, and the parents are the real *******s though. Totally let that kid down. He'll be that guy forever, and he was put in the position to be by the adults who are supposed to have his best interests at heart, but were silently condoning, if not encouraging, the behaviour in the background where they are safe.

At least he has the President on his side to teach him that harassing people while "peacefully" protesting is great again.
 
zeke said:
and of course, these thugs will now get rewarded for it:

Laura Ingraham @IngrahamAngle
EXCLUSIVE on the new #LauraIngrahamPodcast — the Covington Catholic students threatened by the leftist internet mob will be meeting with @realDonaldTrump at the White House as early as tomorrow. @iTunes @PodcastOne
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But damn those uppity kids that get shot at.
 
zeke said:
Politics1.com @Politics1com
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ARIZONA. St Rep Gail Griffin (R) proposes bill to require all computers sold in state be locked from accessing porn; users must pay $20 fee to unlock ... and the fee goes towards paying for Trump's border wall.
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Well that seems logical.
 
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