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    BREAKING: President Trump has reportedly concealed details about past encounters he had with Russian President Vladimir Putin from officials in his administration on multiple occasions, even going as far as to take notes from his own interpreter during one encounter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MapleLeafBlueJayBoy View Post
    BREAKING: President Trump has reportedly concealed details about past encounters he had with Russian President Vladimir Putin from officials in his administration on multiple occasions, even going as far as to take notes from his own interpreter during one encounter.
    Every step along the way, Trump has acted like someone who is guilty of some shit. People can say what they want about the lack of (public) evidence, but he acts exactly like someone who has committed a crime and is trying to cover it up. ****ing exactly.
    The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude larger than is required to produce it.

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    Pretty generic statement there.

    I can guarantee heís committed some sort of crime(s) in the past. What crime though?

    FYI a President isnít required to tell his staff what he discussed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habsy View Post
    Pretty generic statement there.

    I can guarantee he’s committed some sort of crime(s) in the past. What crime though?
    He acts like he's in Russia's pocket. Conspiracy to commit (and pick your flavour from there)

    FYI a President isn’t required to tell his staff what he discussed.
    No, but those notes are governed by the Presidential records act. He's required by law to preserve them, even if they're slapped with incredible security clearance levels.
    The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude larger than is required to produce it.

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    Sure, if thatís true (weíve seen dozens of retractions) then that needs looked into.

    But translations are also governed by executive privilege. I doubt this goes anywhere.
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    we know Russia tried.



    and we know Donnie would never say no.

    what else actually matters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habsy View Post
    Sure, if that’s true (we’ve seen dozens of retractions) then that needs looked into.

    But translations are also governed by executive privilege. I doubt this goes anywhere.
    The scope of presidential privilege isn’t codified and care law is limited but it’s really unlikely that the transcript of a discussion with a foreign government would be subject to it.

    It exists to protect internal deliberations with advisors. Privilege in other contexts is waived when a third party becomes privy to the information subject to the privilege (fwiw in one of two instances where the scous considered EP - Nixon - they recognized a limit in the case of criminal matters).

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeke View Post
    we know Russia tried.



    and we know Donnie would never say no.

    what else actually matters?
    What else matters? Uh, evidence. Oh right rumors, innuendo and conjecture are all you need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbow30 View Post
    The scope of presidential privilege isn’t codified and care law is limited but it’s really unlikely that the transcript of a discussion with a foreign government would be subject to it.

    It exists to protect internal deliberations with advisors. Privilege in other contexts is waived when a third party becomes privy to the information subject to the privilege (fwiw in one of two instances where the scous considered EP - Nixon - they recognized a limit in the case of criminal matters).
    SCOTUS could compel a president to comply sure, congress can’t. Understand that an interpreter is covered under executive privilege though as far as congress is concerned.

    Also, don’t for one second think that the GOP won’t use anything the Dems do against said Dems in the future. It is a consideration for both parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habsy View Post
    SCOTUS could compel a president to comply sure, congress canít. Understand that an interpreter is covered under executive privilege though as far as congress is concerned.

    Also, donít for one second think that the GOP wonít use anything the Dems do against said Dems in the future. It is a consideration for both parties.
    That doesnít make much sense. Privilege exists to protect confidential comms in a context specific manner, basically to ensure free and frank discussion. Strategizing with your interpreter before a meeting with Putin isnlikely privleged. But a transcript of a conversation with the third party? That isnít what the right was intended to protect and in any event any privilege that attaches would be waived on account of the conversation with the third party.

    A hostile third party knows the content of tbe information. How can that be privileged?

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    habsy is now defending the potus destroying all records of meetings with foreign leaders, so that nobody in the entire country knows but him. nice.
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    I am? Huh, thanks for telling me.

    Same ole zeke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbow30 View Post
    That doesnít make much sense. Privilege exists to protect confidential comms in a context specific manner, basically to ensure free and frank discussion. Strategizing with your interpreter before a meeting with Putin isnlikely privleged. But a transcript of a conversation with the third party? That isnít what the right was intended to protect and in any event any privilege that attaches would be waived on account of the conversation with the third party.

    A hostile third party knows the content of tbe information. How can that be privileged?
    Look it up. It is privileged from congress. Presidential interpreters fall under the executive branch.
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    Trump has constitutional lawyers all around him. To think heís not using them to skirt issues is ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habsy View Post
    Trump has constitutional lawyers all around him. To think he’s not using them to skirt issues is ridiculous.
    When has Donald Trump ever listened to one of his lawyers or the people around him? He does what he wants, when he wants too. Everyone knows this.

    Everything about him is damage control. He does something on a whim and then the people around him scramble to try and fix it.
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    Iíll say it again, if you donít think Trump is constantly asking the lawyers how he can get something done (read get away with it) youíre being foolish. You donít think theyíve done a deep dive into this declaring national emergency plan? Trump has always played outside the lines and uses lawyers as weapons. Stop believing the narrative that he isnít using them constantly and is just doing what he wants.

    Itís why he wins far more court challenges than he loses. Sure he ďdoes what he wantsĒ but he uses the lawyers to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habsy View Post
    Look it up. It is privileged from congress. Presidential interpreters fall under the executive branch.
    Privilege doesnít mean that any record involving a presidents interpreter is privileged. Itís context specific.

    Again, strategizing with your interpreter likely is privileged. But your interpreters interpretation of a meeti g with a third party shouldnít be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habsy View Post
    Trump has constitutional lawyers all around him. To think he’s not using them to skirt issues is ridiculous.
    The guy has take a big dump on all the ethics lawyers around him. Other lawyers have terminated the relationship or refused to act for him because he doesn’t listen to advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbow30 View Post
    The guy has take a big dump on all the ethics lawyers around him. Other lawyers have terminated the relationship or refused to act for him because he doesnít listen to advice.
    So he never listens? Ever? Sounds like yet another narrative.

    Heís listening now. Believe that. This National Emergency thing is being set up as we speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbow30 View Post
    Privilege doesnít mean that any record involving a presidents interpreter is privileged. Itís context specific.

    Again, strategizing with your interpreter likely is privileged. But your interpreters interpretation of a meeti g with a third party shouldnít be.
    But it is.

    This is the whole point zeke doesnít get. Iím not defending what Trump does, Iím pointing out the loopholes heís using. Iíll also point out that previous Presidents used them too.

    Trump will use a pinhole to get what he wants. It is what it is.
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