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    Quote Originally Posted by hairnova View Post
    Guess he'll be able to come live in Montreal too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hairnova View Post
    Guess he'll be able to come live in Montreal too.
    oh great
    chuck 2.0 now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sal_Butera View Post
    KKs old man fired as Assat head coach.

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    Chuck vs KK as rookies

    People seem to forget how good chuck was his first year.

    He played centre on the third line though Prust would take a lot of key draws.

    Had 27 points in 48 games.

    Sadly he did not progress and that is where my focus lies with KK

    A lot of similarities between the two
    - both 18
    - both knee injuries
    - both did not play centre the year before NHL (chuck's half year)
    - both started as third line centres
    - both suck at faceoffs
    - both play sheltered mins / zone starts
    - both poised with the puck
    - both positive corsi players

    Differences exist as well
    in general
    - KK smarter (defense, takeaways, etc)
    - Chuck more skilled (skating, shot)

    So what is the point?
    Hard to look back at chuck and see the promise he had knowing how it would turn out.
    Chuck is a good example of how a rookie year does not guarantee anything.

    I am expecting more out of KK than Chuck. I am not really worried about KKs defensive game but I am worried about his offense. Not that I dont think he can get some points but I want him to be a PPG centre at a minimum. Those are my expectations of him. Being good is not good enough.
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    I can see Chuck being a near PPG guy in Arizona. Hopefully that's what we get out of JK here.

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    PPG and good defensively would be awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainBolduke View Post
    I can see Chuck being a near PPG guy in Arizona. Hopefully that's what we get out of JK here.
    Really based on what? He has never come close to being a PPG guy in the NHL in his first 6 years....I would maybe consider him a long shot if he ever hit 60 but he hasn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by worm View Post
    Chuck vs KK as rookies

    People seem to forget how good chuck was his first year.

    He played centre on the third line though Prust would take a lot of key draws.

    Had 27 points in 48 games.

    Sadly he did not progress and that is where my focus lies with KK

    A lot of similarities between the two
    - both 18
    - both knee injuries
    - both did not play centre the year before NHL (chuck's half year)
    - both started as third line centres
    - both suck at faceoffs
    - both play sheltered mins / zone starts
    - both poised with the puck
    - both positive corsi players

    Differences exist as well
    in general
    - KK smarter (defense, takeaways, etc)
    - Chuck more skilled (skating, shot)

    So what is the point?
    Hard to look back at chuck and see the promise he had knowing how it would turn out.
    Chuck is a good example of how a rookie year does not guarantee anything.

    I am expecting more out of KK than Chuck. I am not really worried about KKs defensive game but I am worried about his offense. Not that I dont think he can get some points but I want him to be a PPG centre at a minimum. Those are my expectations of him. Being good is not good enough.
    Sorry but both are not comparable when it comes to puck management, seeing the game and as you mentioned "poise" and the infamous hockey IQ

    One has it and the other is mediocre in all the above.

    There's a reason Galchenyuk made horrible turnovers, made soft plays with the puck, is lost on defensive zone coverage and rarely made his linemates better players.

    You guys are undervaluing that skill set in JK big time...some of the plays I've seen this kid make in his first ten games in the NHL, the passes, the puck distribution when pressured, the defensive zone coverage which he has already grasped is miles ahead of even some seasoned vets
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonKay View Post
    Sorry but both are not comparable when it comes to puck management, seeing the game and as you mentioned "poise" and the infamous hockey IQ

    One has it and the other is mediocre in all the above.

    There's a reason Galchenyuk made horrible turnovers, made soft plays with the puck, is lost on defensive zone coverage and rarely made his linemates better players.

    You guys are undervaluing that skill set in JK big time...some of the plays I've seen this kid make in his first ten games in the NHL, the passes, the puck distribution when pressured, the defensive zone coverage which he has already grasped is miles ahead of even some seasoned vets
    huh

    you seem to be inferring a shit ton here
    or you quoted the wrong post
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    Quote Originally Posted by worm View Post
    huh

    you seem to be inferring a shit ton here
    or you quoted the wrong post
    I get worked up when people are comparing the two

    Here’s my perspective...JK will become closer to what Kopitar is while Galchenyuk can maybe aspire to be a Matt Duchene
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonKay View Post
    Really based on what? He has never come close to being a PPG guy in the NHL in his first 6 years....I would maybe consider him a long shot if he ever hit 60 but he hasn't.

    Man you really love this player don't you?
    He's doing alright in zona right now, 7 GP, 6 pts.

    Will be interested to see if he can keep it up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altair View Post
    He's doing alright in zona right now, 7 GP, 6 pts.

    Will be interested to see if he can keep it up
    He’ll do alright but I don’t see an 80 point player
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonKay View Post
    He’ll do alright but I don’t see an 80 point player
    I see a 70 point forward.

    Which, in fairness, would be nice either here or in Arizona.

    But he needs to play as the teams number one center for that to happen and MB would rather step down than let that happen, so off to zona it was.

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    So KK has 2 more points than Svechnikov (in fairness Svechnikov has played 1 less game). They have very similar TOI as well.

    KK is tied with Dahlin in points in as many games while Dahlin is averaging about 5 minutes more of TOI.

    He seems to be holding his own points wise with the upper class of the draft. He is tied for 4th in rookie scoring yet everyone else has 2-3 years on him. Only Brady Tkatchuk is scoring at a better pace than KK from the 2018 draft.

    Pettersson seems like a lock for the Calder but he's older. 20 games in I am pleased with the pick.
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    Jk is playing center also, not an easy position to play at 18 years of age
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    He goes by KK so I’m gonna keep calling him that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habsy View Post
    He goes by KK so I’m gonna keep calling him that.
    Excellent start so far , and he has that personality and attitude that will make him a fan favorite in Montreal .

    I wanted Hughes but he was second on my list .

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    I wanted Tkatchuk....but i'm happy so far with KK.

    It's a long-terms guessing game....who will be better over the next 10-15 years...impossible to guess right now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolex View Post
    It's a long-terms guessing game....who will be better over the next 10-15 years...impossible to guess right now
    That’s the beauty of drafting a player. So who was the best player to come out of the generational 2003 draft class, 15-years removed now?

    It used to be anyone of Parise, Carter, Staal, Perry, Seabrook 5-10 years post draft.

    Getzlaf, Bergeron, Kessler, Pavelski, Byfuglien & Weber are the only ones who seem to have withstood the test of time without a significant drop off in performance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sal_Butera View Post
    That’s the beauty of drafting a player. So who was the best player to come out of the generational 2003 draft class, 15-years removed now?

    It used to be anyone of Parise, Carter, Staal, Perry 5-10 years post draft.

    Getzlaf, Bergeron, Pavelski, Byfuglien & Weber are the only ones who seem to have withstood the test of time.
    I look at it this way: knowing what you know now (15 years post-draft), who would you have drafted top 3 in 2003 ?

    I'd go Bergeron-Getzlaf-Weber (in no particular order).....with Perry-Carter not far behind

    Of course, Count would have picked AKos #1.....
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