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    Quote Originally Posted by xposbrad View Post
    LOOOOOL

    Have you seen his stats? We are paying a team to take him and getting NOTHING back. He has negative trade value and will next year even if he's healthy.
    I donít agree with this mocking.

    H4L is right, a healthy Shaw has value. Teams look for grit and guys who park in front of the net when the game changes in the playoffs.
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    I also donít understand the constant Byron hate. 20 goal guy on the cheap that we got off waivers.

    I think he does need to be moved for at least a second in this yearís draft at the deadline though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GEEMAN View Post
    Seattle expansion pick anyone .

    All that matters to 31 was getting paid , the rest you can manage .
    Now that he's guaranteed to be paid he can ask for a trade to a better team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habsy View Post
    I don’t agree with this mocking.

    H4L is right, a healthy Shaw has value. Teams look for grit and guys who park in front of the net when the game changes in the playoffs.
    Because he's making 4m and scores 10g, he has negative value. There were rumors a team wanted him last year, but he would have been dumped if that was the case. Grit? That's a myth with him, he doesn't do anything and we overpaid for him. If you trade him, you're getting a bad contract back. Another dead weight contract on the team is Alzner.
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    Alzner is way way worse than Shaw. Just because you don't like Shaw doesn't mean he has no value. Other GM likes him, the problem is that MB likes him even more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xposbrad View Post
    Because he's making 4m and scores 10g, he has negative value. There were rumors a team wanted him last year, but he would have been dumped if that was the case. Grit? That's a myth with him, he doesn't do anything and we overpaid for him. If you trade him, you're getting a bad contract back. Another dead weight contract on the team is Alzner.
    The rumoured deal was Perrault from Winnipeg

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrandWazoo View Post
    Alzner is way way worse than Shaw. Just because you don't like Shaw doesn't mean he has no value. Other GM likes him, the problem is that MB likes him even more.
    He needs to be healthy and hopefully have a career year to increase value , but that`s Nero`s trade puppet

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    Bergevin has too big an ego to trade Shaw or Danault as they apparently were players that he secured for Chicago inbetween his main job of fetching coffee for the decision makers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xposbrad View Post
    Because he's making 4m and scores 10g, he has negative value. There were rumors a team wanted him last year, but he would have been dumped if that was the case. Grit? That's a myth with him, he doesn't do anything and we overpaid for him. If you trade him, you're getting a bad contract back. Another dead weight contract on the team is Alzner.
    You aren't taking into consideration that he's been banged up the past two seasons. Apparently he's finally healthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habsy View Post
    You aren't taking into consideration that he's been banged up the past two seasons. Apparently he's finally healthy.
    Pretty sure Shaw won't be ready until at least mid October. He's confirmed as a no go for training camp.

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    Hmm, setback?
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    Shaw when healthy is an a good two way player that is very reliable. Can mix it up and an idea playoff guy. Definitely has value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habs53 View Post
    Shaw when healthy is an a good two way player that is very reliable. Can mix it up and an idea playoff guy. Definitely has value.
    Unfortunately he is on the wrong team right now to be effective . Rebuilding and 2-3 years away from anything and Shaw arent a fit .

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    Quote Originally Posted by GEEMAN View Post
    Unfortunately he is on the wrong team right now to be effective . Rebuilding and 2-3 years away from anything and Shaw arent a fit .
    Agreed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habs53 View Post
    Agreed
    Just like Alzner , Shlemko , etc

    I dont understand how these clowns think before they make moves . What the hell are you picking up expensive spare parts when your team stinks , total nonsense.

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    Default Re: Rebuilding: Where do we go from here?

    Because thereís a cap floor and paying customers. Otherwise people should save a bunch and just go watch juniors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habsy View Post
    Because there’s a cap floor and paying customers. Otherwise people should save a bunch and just go watch juniors.
    cap floor?

    The thing the habs are 12 million dollars away from? Not sure that's a huge concern...

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    you need at least to look like you are trying to be competitive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCountofMonteCristo View Post
    you need at least to look like you are trying to be competitive.
    We are trying to compete in the Hughes Derby , we are doing fine.

    The other option didn’t work ....3 top 10 picks in 6 years and not competing for anything

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habsy View Post
    Because there’s a cap floor and paying customers. Otherwise people should save a bunch and just go watch juniors.
    Sure we have a cap floor . Sign an Alzner type in August to 1x 3 mil . Don’t hand him a 5 year term and have an albatross on your hands for 5 years.

    What we should do and started with Winnipeg is this. Go find 3 more teams looking to unload salary with players having 1-2 years left .

    Acquire multiple picks/prospects to add to our inventory.

    By the time we are competing these guys are off the books .

    Now your at the floor with short term deals .

    You don’t give Shaw 6 years at dumb money. He should be developed in your minor league system on the cheap for 3 years . Then when he wants big money you deal him .
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