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GDT #30 DEC 8, HNIC: TOR @ BOS

Yeah, its not like a broken hand is going to end his career.

Parayko is good, and would be a good addition, but Pietro is unquestionably better. Its like Gardiner vs. Rielly. Parayko is a good 2nd pair dman. Pietroangalo is one of the best dmen in the league.
 
I would expect the acquisition cost could be higher for Parayko too. He still has 'untapped potential' attached to him. Plus younger and cheaper.

I definitely would prefer Pietro, but I wouldn't be unhappy getting Parayko. How (un)happy would depend on acquisition cost. But I think Pietro is pretty close to the perfect fit.
 
If we added AP, our chances to win a Cup this year or next, take a huge leap.

Being able to play him on the right side for 23-25 minutes of ES/PK, (over Ron, goddamn Hainsey) would be f*cking huge...
 
Plus paying a premium for Parayko's untapped potential would be dumb considering he is a year older than Rielly and likely does not have untapped potential.

You are betting on him performing similarly in a bigger role.
 
Waving a magic wand that somehow deletes Zaitsev from our lineup and replaces him with Pietrangelo would definitely put our roster on par with anyone's.

Then you either slide Hainsey down to the second pairing on Jake's right side, or you move Dermott into that spot and have Hainsey as the third-pair LHD.
 
I'd love to see what Gards looked like with Hainsey, and Zaits looked like with Dermott.

(At this point I think we're being a bit fanciful to believe Babcock would drop Hainsey from #1 pair, to move his 3rd pair LHD up, and to his off side. I'd love to be wrong, but I think it's a touch of a pipe dream atm.)

He isn't gonna bench Zaitsev either.
 
Oh, of course Babcock will never bench Zaitsev.

I just kind of assumed that to make the money work for next season, if we were to pick up Pietrangelo, Dubas would find a way to get rid of Zaitsev's money, either in the same deal or a corresponding move. Now, I suppose Pietrangelo's $6.5M might be able to fit regardless, if Jake's not coming back and that's around how much money Dubas had budgeted for him.

But would we really be better off bumping Ozhiganov out of the lineup to make room for Zaitsev?
 
I think Ozzy might be good. Tough to tell in his usage though.


I'd love to see Dermott moved up, but even if Babs is too chicken for that, I'd love just as much seeing:

Rielly - Gardiner ~24mpg
Hainsey - Zaitsev ~ 18mpg
Dermott - Ozzy ~ 18mpg
 
Yeah, Hainsey can't handle first pair duties anymore.

The sad thing is I bet Hainsey would be an awesome 'Polak' type - bottom pair, PK specialist.

If Dermott continues to dominate against lesser competition though you have to hope Babs will give him a shot. Or that Doobs makes him...
 
not at all. it's obviously hugely important who you play with.

it's just that I think that the team-relative stats account for it pretty well already (though far from perfectly).

I also don't like any argument which says that QoT > QoC for more basic reasons - i.e. because I don't think we have any measures that are equally effective at measuring both effects. For example, using TOI for QoC makes mucho sense to me because you're getting a proxy for opposition player quality based on the ice time decisions of 30 other coaches with 30 other rosters, while using TOI for QoT is just one coach's decision based on one roster (which leads to things like Hyman being considered a top quality level linemate, just because we happen to have a coach who does things dramatically differently than average). I would tend to think QoT is better measured by the possesion stats themselves, as the team effects are minimized - and that's sort of what the relative stats do already - i.e. they compare how much better or worse the team does with a certain player on the ice.

I'm not sold on either QoT or QoC being the more important. Until I see some good statistical analyses, I remain ambivalent. The argument that, over the course of season, QoC evens out seems specious.

Using them feels very eyeballish. I don't get why no one has developed an adjustment variable that includes things like TOI, cf, scf. It seems like such an obvious thing to do (though a ton of work, no doubt).

With and without are reasonably good for individual/line impacts (but still have big blind spots).
 
I'm not sold on either QoT or QoC being the more important. Until I see some good statistical analyses, I remain ambivalent. The argument that, over the course of season, QoC evens out seems specious.

Using them feels very eyeballish. I don't get why no one has developed an adjustment variable that includes things like TOI, cf, scf. It seems like such an obvious thing to do (though a ton of work, no doubt).

With and without are reasonably good for individual/line impacts (but still have big blind spots).

never understimate the ego angle. they don't actually want to find it, they would prefer that it didn't matter.

1. cf% was a huge breakthrough, and was very powerful, and seemed like the better way to describe player quality - so it was only natural to then try and measure QOC using cf% as well. this naturally ended up indicating that qoc had little impact....but only because it was circular - I.e. if we are suggesting cf% can be warped by qoc, then measuring qoc by cf% is self defeating and cancels itself out, as it will view players with high cf% in easy usage as "better competiton" than players with lower cf% in much tougher usage.

2.half the fun in analytics was outsmarting the hockey people. pointing out when they were stupidly playing bad players in top roles and good players in minor roles. most of the great success in early analytics was based on finding all the overrated overplayed guys (hello big slow slugs) and underrated underplayed guys (hi there small speedy guys). after doing this over and over with great success, it's naturally very hard to then go back and want to believe that coaching/management decisions like TOI could be a useful indicator of player value. it went against everything they had figured out to that point. so they naturally resisted it.

3.And now, even though they have started to appreciate indirect measures like TOI (partly because the league has started to appreciate the analytics in their TOI distributions), they still naturally lean more to dismissing it than to endorsing it...or even fully exploring it. So even though they have found some correlation with TOIqoc, they are more eager to endorse ways of dismissing it - so when their first stab at using straight TOIqoc shows them a small enough correlation that they don't have to worry about it much, then they are happy to leave it there without further testing. So at this point, we're at a stage when TOIqoc has been looked at without though thinking about what it actually means. We know TOI can only ever be a proxy for quality, yet the experiments so far have taken it as an actual measure or quality - I.e. that if your opponent's average 16mpg they are literally 33% better than opponents that average 12mpg. Myself, I think that's obviously not the case - McDavids are more than 33% better than Browns....more like 333% better. But for obvious reasons ice time cannot be distributed by actual player quality. So I'm pretty sure when the some analytics guy actually stops trying to dismiss TOIqoc and starts really trying to work through it, I'm pretty sure they'll get there.




but as for the qot v qoc - again, I think the relative stats do a decent job of giving us something to at least eyeball adjust the raw numbers for team/teammate effects. in my mind I am always balancing the % and rel stats to try and get a better idea of what they're actually doing out there, and then I try to add in the qoc in equal share too.
 
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