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    I don't think Dubas can just trade players that Babcock likes without a bit of a discussion first.
    Some GMs get you to the playoffs and some GMs get you through the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leafman101 View Post
    Sure but a rookie GM will definitely tank his reputation by not winning. So if he actually believed the coach is hurting he team and he canít win with him....
    still got to make sure you have a reputation for treating people well and not acting rashly.

    a rookie gm firing a hall of fame coach with your team near the top of the standings is a statement move.
    Last edited by zeke; 02-20-2019 at 07:20 PM.
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    Best thing that could happen is Babs getting criticism from the media. Starting to see that a bit more. A first round exit with hainsey Zaitsev Marleau and Hyman being top 5-7 on the team in ice time might be just what the doctor ordered. They have one more year of muzzin. Jesus ****ing Christ if he continues to play bottom pair minutes that trade will look ****ing garbage. Dubas can't allow that to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeafOfFaith View Post
    You guys assume firing is on the table when heís got them playing like a top 5 team.

    Before any firing, Shanny and Dubas will speak to him and tell them what they expect regarding deployment. And Babs will submit. Heís not going anywhere.

    And why does anyone expect that the next coach will be perfect? Heíll have his own pets, his own quirks, his own guys in the doghouse, his own failings dealing with the media. And weíll frustrate ourselves to death cursing him out. Just stay the course, work together, and win. Thatís whatís going to happen.
    Finally somebody who is not unhinged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leaffan2005 View Post
    Finally somebody who is not unhinged.
    Maybe you should report this thread to the hate crimes division.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeafOfFaith View Post

    All of that said, I think Dubas could and should give Babs a new toy that Dubas himself would like too - a big, tough, scoring winger who would have to play in the top six and who would necessarily bump Marleau and Hyman down. I do think as a team we need that anyway, as we're too soft and have a tough time when teams start manhandling us. So it's a win-win if Dubas can identify the right acquisition. Shit, maybe kill two birds with one stone by trading Zaitsev plus for him.
    The athletic mentioned Kreider as a potential target. Someone like that - with wheels and plays heavy LW would work nicely.

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    We don't have 4.6 million for him next season.
    The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude larger than is required to produce it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindzEye View Post
    We don't have 4.6 million for him next season.
    In our current structure. There are options to adjust (like moving Zaitsevs 4.5 cap hit). Also, doesn't have to be Kreider but someone in that mold.
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    Nah, there are no good options for us to fit Kreider in next season. Punt on Marleau and Zaitsev (while letting Jake walk) without bringing salary back while dragging Kappy and Johnsson through broken glass in negotiations and we still couldn't fit Kreider in. That's just life with 22.6 million going to our top 2 centres and what will probably be about 16-16.5 going to our two top RW's.

    Things start to lighten up after next season with the coming increases to the cap, but next year is tiiight.
    The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude larger than is required to produce it.

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    Nah, there are no good options for us to fit Kreider in next season. Punt on Marleau and Zaitsev (while letting Jake walk) without bringing salary back while dragging Kappy and Johnsson through broken glass in negotiations and we still couldn't fit Kreider in. That's just life with 22.6 million going to our top 2 centres and what will probably be about 16-16.5 going to our two top RW's.

    Things start to lighten up after next season with the coming increases to the cap, but next year is tiiight.
    The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude larger than is required to produce it.

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    Besides, this would probably push AJ into the pressbox.

    You can't be too cynical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeLeafer View Post
    Maybe you should report this thread to the hate crimes division.
    this nearly resulted in some hot-beverage-out-the-nose. well played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayward DP View Post
    this nearly resulted in some hot-beverage-out-the-nose. well played.
    Good to hear you didn't burn your nostrils.
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    Dubas doesnt have the authority not the right to fire babcock.
    And if we are looking at bodies of work, dubas should be held under the microscope too.
    Over paying for nylander and letting it drag on to long, Matthew's contract term and not getting zaitsev out of here.
    Also dubas was part of the marleau signing and that might be a real albatross next season.
    And as well, the cupboards are beginning to look a little bare on the marlies.
    Shanny and dubas got tavares here yes, but I think anybody could have gotten him here, he wanted to be in Toronto.
    And for having either of the two rookies up here in the lineup on defence ...... they would be getting hammered and probably shell shocked by now.
    Babcocks system wont work in the playoffs, you need the forwards to hold up the opps a little to give the defense a little more time and they need to play with a little more intensity along the boards, but you cant teach a cat to fetch a stick because he wont listen, but a dog will.
    Leafs gave alot of very talented cats but very few dogs who will do what they are told.
    Also by my math, why is anyone on the fourth line getting more than 8 or 9 minutes a game.
    Gauthier doesnt kill penalties but gets more, and if marleau is such a good defender, why isnt he on the pk all the time.
    Babcock is an stubborn person but maybe the players he is trying to teach just as stubborn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncus View Post
    Dubas doesnt have the authority not the right to fire babcock.
    And if we are looking at bodies of work, dubas should be held under the microscope too.
    Over paying for nylander and letting it drag on to long, Matthew's contract term and not getting zaitsev out of here.
    Also dubas was part of the marleau signing and that might be a real albatross next season.
    And as well, the cupboards are beginning to look a little bare on the marlies.
    Shanny and dubas got tavares here yes, but I think anybody could have gotten him here, he wanted to be in Toronto.
    And for having either of the two rookies up here in the lineup on defence ...... they would be getting hammered and probably shell shocked by now.
    Babcocks system wont work in the playoffs, you need the forwards to hold up the opps a little to give the defense a little more time and they need to play with a little more intensity along the boards, but you cant teach a cat to fetch a stick because he wont listen, but a dog will.
    Leafs gave alot of very talented cats but very few dogs who will do what they are told.
    Also by my math, why is anyone on the fourth line getting more than 8 or 9 minutes a game.
    Gauthier doesnt kill penalties but gets more, and if marleau is such a good defender, why isnt he on the pk all the time.
    Babcock is an stubborn person but maybe the players he is trying to teach just as stubborn.
    Lots to unpack here, but mostly, Nylander is on a steal of a deal.

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    He didn’t overpay for Nylander and you’ll have to explain how the Matthews term is Dubas fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volcanologist View Post
    He didn’t overpay for Nylander and you’ll have to explain how the Matthews term is Dubas fault.
    I'd prefer he didn't.

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    Has there ever been a contract to a legit great RFA aged player that has looked bad in hindsight?

    Dipietro is the only one I can think of, but "legit great" is debatable.

    EDIT: and Mike Richards. So basically as long as you don't sign a deal for 12+ years you likely won't regret it.

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    Also, the reduction of hockey into these good-sounding folksy cliches is starting to bother me more and more.
    "...And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."

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