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Around the League: 2019-2020 Regular Season

GGpX

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Possibly, but that's because they're borderline NHLers. And that's the point. We gave up on a guy who's not a regular NHL player on a team with good players in his position.

Kulak's a third pairing d-man at best (Boy did those Kulak truthers from last year suddenly suddenly disappear without a trace), Reilly & Folin are tweeners, so the notion that Barbiero would probably play before them means almost nothing to me.

I couldn't care less.

The Mike Reillys, Mark Barbieros and Christian Folins of this world aren't every day players on teams that have good left-handed d-men.
 

GrandWazoo

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Subban's season hasn't changed my opinion on the trade one bit. Subban was the better defenseman over Weber in 2 of the 3 years he was in Nashville and the second his play dipped, Poile got rid of him without taking any salary in return. His handling of Subban was a masterclass in terms of asset management. So Subban was the superior player for the majority of the time and Nashville saw increased team success as they won more rounds with Subban in the lineup than all of Weber's years there combined.

It has, however, made me re-evaluate who has the shittier contract. Weber's contract is still terrible, but it's questionable as to whether Subban can even play anymore. I'm probably a little naive, but I just don't think he wants to play in New Joizy. I get the feeling he'd want to be on a winning team. I don't understand how his play could have so drastically fallen off, unless he's simply not able to workout as much or as hard from the time he was in his mid-20s.
Worked fine for the Preds, worked better for us than expected. We'd be in a worse place right now with Subban's contract and a NTC. That NTC really was the key and it allowed Poile to avoid it.
 

GEEMAN

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Worked fine for the Preds, worked better for us than expected. We'd be in a worse place right now with Subban's contract and a NTC. That NTC really was the key and it allowed Poile to avoid it.
Bottom line ......Nashville was gunning for a cup and PK was a better fit for their run

Weber is a better fit for us who surprisingly is aging better .

It’s still the wrong trade to make nice Nero went all in and wanted a vet in return.

He should of been traded in a Pacioretty type deal.
 
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GGpX

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Bottom line ......Nashville was gunning for a cup and PK was a better fit for their run

Weber is a better fit for us who surprisingly is aging better .

It’s still the wrong trade to make nice Nero went all in and wanted a vet in return.

He should of been traded in a Pacioretty type deal.
I don't think it's that surprising that Weber aged better. Subban's game was almost completely based on his athleticism and once he lost the edge in that regard, his play fell off a cliff.

What I do find surprising is Weber still being able to keep up in a league that is getting younger & faster and Subban's fallen off completely. When the trade happened, I already saw the trend when most here were still going on about signing overpriced UFAs. Here's the truth: Those of you looking to sign the likes of Taylor Hall, Mike Hoffman and/or Chris Kreider in the summer of 2020 if they reach free agency are complete and utter fools. The league is getting like the NFL & the NBA. Younger and faster with the good organizations using that youth on cheap deals. I thought that Weber by year 3 or 4 would be a PP specialist. He was already having troubles with a speed team in San Jose during his last playoff run in Nashville, although hindsight being 20/20, his troubles with San Jose are almost assuredly due to him playing through injury. I had also assumed that even if Subban's play would drop off, that 1- He wouldn't be nearly as bad is he is now, at least not so quickly and 2- Due to his contract being a lot shorter, the pill would be a lot less bitter to swallow.
 

GEEMAN

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I don't think it's that surprising that Weber aged better. Subban's game was almost completely based on his athleticism and once he lost the edge in that regard, his play fell off a cliff.

What I do find surprising is Weber still being able to keep up in a league that is getting younger & faster and Subban's fallen off completely. When the trade happened, I already saw the trend when most here were still going on about signing overpriced UFAs. Here's the truth: Those of you looking to sign the likes of Taylor Hall, Mike Hoffman and/or Chris Kreider in the summer of 2020 if they reach free agency are complete and utter fools. The league is getting like the NFL & the NBA. Younger and faster with the good organizations using that youth on cheap deals. I thought that Weber by year 3 or 4 would be a PP specialist. He was already having troubles with a speed team in San Jose during his last playoff run in Nashville, although hindsight being 20/20, his troubles with San Jose are almost assuredly due to him playing through injury. I had also assumed that even if Subban's play would drop off, that 1- He wouldn't be nearly as bad is he is now, at least not so quickly and 2- Due to his contract being a lot shorter, the pill would be a lot less bitter to swallow.
6 is all about smarts and positioning

Totally agreed on not signing those as UFA`s unless its short term . Hall would be a disaster long term
 

GrandWazoo

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Bottom line ......Nashville was gunning for a cup and PK was a better fit for their run

Weber is a better fit for us who surprisingly is aging better .

It’s still the wrong trade to make nice Nero went all in and wanted a vet in return.

He should of been traded in a Pacioretty type deal.
Hard to know what deals were available, plus we would have to have taken some salary regardless. Rumors were swirling about trying to get a first to draft Dubois. Sadly MB was running against the NTC deadline, which diminished his position.
 

GEEMAN

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Hard to know what deals were available, plus we would have to have taken some salary regardless. Rumors were swirling about trying to get a first to draft Dubois. Sadly MB was running against the NTC deadline, which diminished his position.
PK was a stud back then , I find it hard to believe that a deal structured around an A level prospect wasn’t available.

You would figure the NTC should of helped our cause , teams would have an easier time flipping him anywhere just like Nashville did .

Nero was determined to stay competitive and get a 1D in return , that limited his trade partners
 
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