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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

MindzEye

Wayward Ditch Pig
On what planet would management make such a major decision based on the information provided strictly from a source they will be moving away from in the coming months? In any walk of life.
What? It's common practice for a new GM to let the head scout run the draft table in the NHL if the GM is new and hasn't been privy to the work put in by the scouts all season. It would be a major departure for a new front office to not listen to existing scouts, not the opposite.

This is so garbage and I'm not surprised that YOU would believe it.
You're truly amazing, really.

Coming from Simmons 🤡
This angle pre dates Simmons, by a lot. This has been floating around for a couple of years now.

Typical Shatkins hate from the ring leader mindz.
The hate is justified. I'm comfortable with owning it and my early statements have proven pretty fucking prescient. Yours thought? Fucking embarrassing, but yet here you are banging the same broken drum. I admire your persistence, if not your intellect.

I don't agree with a lot of the moves they've made, but FFS find me a management group that has executed every transaction perfectly. We're starting to see some good things with the youth coming up.
Which youth? One they didn't sign and another that by rumour they didn't want? What other youth is up that is exciting? It's a group of middling 24-27 yr olds masquerading as a youth movement.
 

MindzEye

Wayward Ditch Pig
Maybe he deserved to be fired. The article is not really based on a single rumour though and it actually gives the area scout (who is still with the Jays) most of the credit.

Actually reflects well on Atkins that he was able to be persuaded by his scouting staff.
Yeah, I was going to point that out. I'll give Shatkins credit for listening to their inherited staff and not sticking rigidly to their drafting philosophy.
 

MyNameIsJonas

Active member
Strictly speaking i think these guys have done fine on draft day. Bo ( regardless of his origins), Pearson, Groshans, Biggio, Kloffenstein and Manoah is fair to strong. Where they come off as failures is the MLB roster.

The return they got out of the tear down is laughable, and im willing to cede the Stroman deal might be okay even if i think Kay is likely just one of these all floor no ceiling guys they tend to adore. They got zilch for Happ. JD, Sanchez, Pillar, Estrada, Smoak, Galvis, and Martin. Excuses range from injury bad luck, to mo market, to Rogers wouldnt let them. **** giving these guys excuses.

Lastly and arguably most important their MLB player eval seems to be this sickly combination of safe, cheap and arrogant. Rather then trading for premium talent or signing premium FA they have shown with Fisher, Thornton, Teo, Grichuk, McKinney, Drury, and Smoak a fascination for cheap toolsey mif 20's guys that are out of options and lack playing time in good orgs. Not a high ceiling lotto ticket in the bunch some of which do even more harm because they were extended for some reason and now block a legit look at a kid or offseason upgrade. Id also add none of these guys obvious holes that were evident in the old orgs were fixed by these geniuses.

FA signing include a mish mash of affordable labelless cans from the grocery store. Ill givr Shatkins this. I trust them to build a backend of a pen on tje cheap
 

Bleedsblue&white

Active member
I'm not sure what Zombie night entails in our pc world, looking forward to finding out though....You can't be allowed to dress up right?
...not that I would, but I could handle seeing a bunch of walkers heading into the dome.
 

manny

Member
Fisher looked so bad in LF last night. Can’t remember the last time I saw an MLB player look that clueless on the field.
 

manny

Member
He was worse than even peak-terrible Teoscar last night.

But yes, Teoscar is awful.

Finding out he can’t play OF and then moving him to CF was a very strange move.
 

UWHabs

Active member
He was worse than even peak-terrible Teoscar last night.

But yes, Teoscar is awful.

Finding out he can’t play OF and then moving him to CF was a very strange move.
Oddly enough, his 300+ innings in LF this year have actually graded out very highly. 18.8 uzr/150, 2 DRS. His CF time has been bad (-14.5 uzr/150), not surprisingly, although actually not as bad as you might have expected given how bad he looked at the corner OF before this year.

Although overall, his defence in CF this year hasn't been as bad as his defense in the corners was last year, so given the positional edge, he's actually graded out better on WAR even with his down offense. Unless if he can find that Gallo stroke, though, or a guy who strikes out as much as he does without really providing much defensive value, not sure how much it's worth continuing on. Although if he can actually combine his LF defense from this year with his offense from last year, he could actually be a pretty solid player overall. But not sure I like the odds of that happening.
 

Leafin'

Active member
Tbh I don't like any of the outfielders beyond Gurriel. I wonder if Biggio ends up in an OF spot. Teoscar, Fisher, McKinney, Alford, grichuk are all varying degrees of not good. Maybe 1 of them works out and makes it all worth it but it's not looking good right now.
 

manny

Member
They definitely need a CF next year. There isn't one anywhere in the organization. Davis is the only one that can field the position but his bat might be the worst of all of them.

Get a CF in free agency or trade, put Gurriel in LF, let Grichuk, Fisher, McKinney battle for the rest of the OF playing time.

The they'll only be an entire pitching staff away from interesting.
 

Leafin'

Active member
Some interesting arms are already here. Borucki if healthy, Kay looks decent, Zeuch might work out. Add in Pearson. Maybe another free agent or 2 and we might be a bit better than expected on the pitching front. Not holding my breath for everything to work out all rosey but the bones for a good young rotation are starting to take shape.
 

axlsalinger

Active member
This does not sound good.


Toronto Blue Jays reliever Tim Mayza left Friday night's 6-5 win over the New York Yankees after dropping to his knees in pain following an awkward pitch thrown far behind Didi Gregorius in the top of the 10th inning.

Mayza clutched his pitching arm and covered his face with his right hand as concerned teammates gathered around him at the mound. He left the field with a team trainer.
 
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