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The 2015 Draft Lottery McEichel sweepstakes thread

hockeylover said:
Discussion on our board about trying to acquire the 6th pick from New Jersey outright so curious who you think the Canes take @ 5...

Gimme your order of preference!
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I think Arizona is the Wild Card in all of this shaking out...they pick Dylan Strome if they want the big center, Hanifin if they want a defenseman or Marner if they want the London Knight trio of Marner/Domi/Dvorak to play together. Canes would love Hanifin...but HockeyLover, if the Leafs go to all that trouble of acquiring the 6th overall pick to go with the 4th overall pick, would they not want one defenseman and one forward with those two top 6 picks? Mark Hunter seems to like Marner...but Dylan Strome seems like that big center the Leafs crave...Hanifin would not be there at 6, so who else are they targeting at 6th overall if Marner, Strome and Hanifin are all gone after the first 5?
 
Elsker said:
The actual draft is almost always somewhat of a surprise as each team has their own BPA list.

But RF is going to have some 'splaining to do to the fan base if we're not taking what's left of Hanifin/Strome/Marner...unless what's left is Marner. Unknown how the org ranks him compared with Crouse or that broad plateau of talent that's at the next level.

If the org wants to substitute Provorov for Hanifin they would get no quarrel from me. And if they want Crouse or someone out of the next tier then they might best be served by dropping back and seeing if they can get an extra third-rounder or so for the move.
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Totally agree Elsker on the Hanifin/Strome/Marner take. Marner's only knock against him seems to be his size yet the kid is only 17 and he is already 5'11". Some of these kids are not finished growing until they are 20 or 21...so I'm not sure if playing the under-sized card is really valid for Marner. Many scouts are saying that talent and skill wise, Marner might be pretty close to even with Eichel...so the more this simmers the more it seems like the Canes are getting either Hanifin or Marner at 5th and it's going to be one helluva player no matter what!!!
 
I think at 5'11 in today's NHL, you better bloody be UBER UBER talented... even 6'0 isn't considered too big. I like Marner, but don't think, even with a late growth spurt that he'll end up much more than 6 foot 6'1 at best. He isn't small, nor big. That probably won't change. But against NHL averages, he better be really talented and having a very solid body would help offset his lack of size impact.
 
All depends on the individual, as always. Skinner's not particularly big but has a powerful lower body and size has never been the issue for him that lack of awareness seems to be. When he plays aggressive and doesn't get himself into awkward situations, he's fine. From what little I've seen of him, Marner looks a fair amount like Skinner did when he was draft age physically. He seems to be more of an aggressive guy though, so if you don't project him to fill out, his size will be an issue. I've seen a lot of comparisons to Dougie Gilmour, but that guy was made out of pig iron. Guys like that don't come around that often.

Again, I think Carolina would be thrilled to have either Hanifan or Strome but I'm sure they'll have a better sense of what's going to shake out at 1 through 4 by the time draft day rolls around. 5 is a less complicated slot than 6 or 7 because this group at the top really seems to start to shake loose after 5.
 
JamesNorthern said:
I think at 5'11 in today's NHL, you better bloody be UBER UBER talented... even 6'0 isn't considered too big. I like Marner, but don't think, even with a late growth spurt that he'll end up much more than 6 foot 6'1 at best. He isn't small, nor big. That probably won't change. But against NHL averages, he better be really talented and having a very solid body would help offset his lack of size impact.
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I'd call the 7th best ppg season in the OHL by a 17-year-old in the last 25 years pretty damn talented. Good company on that list like Lindros, Tavares, etc...

Don't get cute. Take Marner, or Hanifin if he's the one left standing at 5 and count our lucky stars we didn't let Jersey "catch" us too.
 
Here's another 5'11" 170-lb right-shot center:

Claude Giroux

The important thing here being they are both: good.at.hockey

I'd take Marner...in a heartbeat.

He's the kind of scorer that could activate our other sometimes-scorers.
 
CanadaCanes said:
I think Arizona is the Wild Card in all of this shaking out...they pick Dylan Strome if they want the big center, Hanifin if they want a defenseman or Marner if they want the London Knight trio of Marner/Domi/Dvorak to play together. Canes would love Hanifin...but HockeyLover, if the Leafs go to all that trouble of acquiring the 6th overall pick to go with the 4th overall pick, would they not want one defenseman and one forward with those two top 6 picks? Mark Hunter seems to like Marner...but Dylan Strome seems like that big center the Leafs crave...Hanifin would not be there at 6, so who else are they targeting at 6th overall if Marner, Strome and Hanifin are all gone after the first 5?
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Well, I think the only way you do it is if you know the Canes want Strome/Hanifan but would pick someone else other than Marner if they're both gone by #5.

If AZ takes Strome, and the Leafs take Hanifan.... do the Canes take Marner at 5? If there's ANY chance they don't, I'd love to be sitting there at 6 ready to snatch him up.

I think we have some pieces that could entice Jersey to part with it if it's true they're looking for scoring help.
 
I like Marner a bit better than Strome. Strome doesn't seem to use his size that much in a physical way and he looks a bit lazy in his backchecking. Marners work ethics on the other hand looks really good.
 
I'd take a pass on Marner. I don't doubt he is a very good hockey player, who is more likely than not going to have a fine NHL career, but if he does it won't be as a part of this franchise. He needs to go to a place that will have a few hard-ass goon types who will protect him from dirty hits and cheap shots that will inevitably start coming once he lights up the league. Not this charmin' soft team. If he comes here I can see a Skinner 2.0 - a Calder candidate or even a winner in the rookie year followed by the drop off later, along with frequent concussions and time spent on IR. He's a type of player that this franchise will damage early.
 
GlenwoodAvenueHooligans said:
I'd take a pass on Marner. I don't doubt he is a very good hockey player, who is more likely than not going to have a fine NHL career, but if he does it won't be as a part of this franchise. He needs to go to a place that will have a few hard-ass goon types who will protect him from dirty hits and cheap shots that will inevitably start coming once he lights up the league. Not this charmin' soft team. If he comes here I can see a Skinner 2.0 - a Calder candidate or even a winner in the rookie year followed by the drop off later, along with frequent concussions and time spent on IR. He's a type of player that this franchise will damage early.
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I think you're REALLY underestimating how good Marner is. Skinner scored 90 points in 64 games in his pre-draft year. That's pretty damn good. Marner's 126 points in 63 games is one of the greatest pre-draft seasons in OHL history.

Any GM that passes on Marner if he's available at #5 need to be fired on the spot.
 
I can't imagine a GM passes on Marner at 5... but damn!! If there's a chance anyone feels like GlenwoodAve, we'd better be there at 6.

Hanifan and Marner would be one hell of a start to a rebuild. NJ can have anyone not named Nylander or Rielly for the 6th.
 
So I want to review the rankings. Are they:

McDavid (blasted Oilers, still teethed about this)
Eichel (was liking Eichel's game more and more)
Hanifin
Strome
Marner
....

And because Marner plays on a formidable trio with Max Domi (Arz draft pick) and Christian Dvorak (also Arz draft pick) for the London Knights, there is speculation that the Coyotes will draft him at #3. With the note though that they could use Hanifin to help rebuild their defense.
So, in the scenario that they do draft Marner though, that would leave Strome and Hanifin on the board for the Laughs at the number four pick. I have a hard time believing they would pass on Strome for Hanifin. However, maybe if either Kessel and/or Phaneuf are to be moved out before, at or after the draft, this may play into their decision.
The Leafs take Strome though and we then draft Hanifin.
The Leafs take Hanifin, we draft Strome.
Pretty easy.

Another scenario with the Yotes drafting Hanifin with their number 3 pick. That would leave Strome and Marner to the Leafs. The Shanahan-running-the-show-now-factor, maybe they go with Strome for a big bodied, more durable, center. However, Shanahan also played with guys like Steve Yzerman who never was the biggest NHL player (I like his use here as a comparison of not being overly big, could take a licking and had a heart of hockey while a player) but an incredibly talented, well rounded player.
Anyway, c'est pas compliqué if the Leafs draft Strome we draft Marner.
If they draft Marner, we draft Strome.

And if Arizona drafts Strome, which I see as also being an excellent pick for them and their needs would leave Hanifin and Marner to the Leafs.
They pick Hanifin, we pick Marner.
They choose Marner, we pick Hanifin.

As is, without taking into account unknown variables that could come into play leading up to or on draft day, we will have one of either Strome, Hanifin or Marner.

Whoever the best player is available at number 5, you draft. Period. After that, there are a couple of guys worthy, but not so much to pick in favor of any of the above three.

What if a team wants to take on Semin's contract, even part of it, to move up in the draft? Does RF bite? I don't think he would.
 
corrected:
1 Connor McDavid
2 Jack Eichel
3 Noah Hanifin
4 Dylan Strome
5 Lawson Crouse
6 Mitchell Marner

So Crouse is also in play. Forgot him. Hard to say. What if things fall as ranked? Do we pick Marner over Crouse? I would think yes, but for the soft as charmin factor I would be actually really comfortable injecting somebody like Crouse into our lineup.
 
It really depends on how the Canes BPA list is ordered.

Both Central Scouting and ISS do have Crouse at 5 and Marner at 6.

There might be some strong arguments for dropping back into that next tier if they are hesitant about either one of those two.

Lot of talent there and additional assets to be had for the move, if so.
 
JamesNorthern said:
corrected:
1 Connor McDavid
2 Jack Eichel
3 Noah Hanifin
4 Dylan Strome
5 Lawson Crouse
6 Mitchell Marner

So Crouse is also in play. Forgot him. Hard to say. What if things fall as ranked? Do we pick Marner over Crouse? I would think yes, but for the soft as charmin factor I would be actually really comfortable injecting somebody like Crouse into our lineup.
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I really don't know how I'd sleep at night if my team had the choice of a 51 point player or a 126 point player in the same league and took the 51 point player because he's bigger. I'm not sure I can justify that in my head to feel okay with that no matter what my team needed at the time.

But here's hoping. If you guys take Crouse, I'll give whatever it takes for that 6th overall for Marner.
 
hockeylover said:
I really don't know how I'd sleep at night if my team had the choice of a 51 point player or a 126 point player in the same league and took the 51 point player because he's bigger. I'm not sure I can justify that in my head to feel okay with that no matter what my team needed at the time.
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QFT

This team needs offense. We are not getting it from any other player on this team and if Marner is as good as suggested (Patrick Kane is 5'10"), we'd be foolish to pass him up because we want size. We can get size in later rounds. The Canes drafted Paradis in the 1st round for size and the guy has yet to crack an NHL line up.
 
True that there will talented size galore available at our second-rounder slot (#35 overall).

EDIT: Pay no attention to who we are picking here, either first or second. But take a look at the size of prospects available in the second round in this mock draft.

Also, note that Strome is listed at only around 170 lbs, as well as Marner.
 
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I think the reason why Crouse is ranked so high, outside of his obvious size, is because of the team he played for. He was hands down the best player on their team, playing with one other guy in his final year. Whereas Strome had a cast of guys, including McDavid to flourish around, noted on seperate lines (McDavid and Strome). Marner had Domi and Dvorak.
That being said, his size and potential leave just some questions marks as to how good he can become. And hence why I think he's the most likely guy to slide down in the draft.
If the Devils want him so bad in a scenario where Marner and Crouse are what's left for us at #5, then I would be willing to milk a favorable trade with them. :)
If they want to swap first rounders to get Crouse and leave us Marner, they could entice us by offering their 2nd overal pick to get it, for example. Or take Semin and all his contract. Another unrealistic but nice to dream about scenario.

Looking at all these players, they all seem on the frail size compared to NHL standards. Maybe it's just me. Maybe there's some truth there. Maybe that's why Crouse has consistently been ranked so high as well, that old school mentality.
The reality is that either and any of these guys could be busts too!
Less likely higher the draft pick, but let's not forget all precedent where a top draft pick has not made a difference to a team's success either. cough Oilers cough and many other examples of #1 or 2 turning out bust.
Depends on character. Depends on the team drafting and their own situation when drafting that player.

My hope is for Hanifin at 5. I think he's good enough to project playing in the NHL on a pretty fast track, maybe after one, one and a half seasons of pro.
Crouse because he's big, I think he might stick out of draft.
McDavid and Eichel because of their elite talent, should land full time NHL jobs right out of draft of course. .
Strome and Marner to me, they look like they need a couple of years before NHL ready. It's not just about talent right? Durability etc..
 
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