OT: American Politics
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MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
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An interesing article on the ISIS problem from Fareed Zakaria.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...4dcedc-8ef1-11e5-acff-673ae92ddd2b_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...4dcedc-8ef1-11e5-acff-673ae92ddd2b_story.html
mbow30
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imo zakari is off the mark. isis is not he same as al qaeda. it has been able to attract militarized youth in large part because of the network of radicalized mosques funded by wealthy saudis. that is true. i don't think it is a heavily discussed point, but i suspect that some of the AQ declines are a direct result of recruits turning to isis instead. and a big part of why they have turned to isis is its territorial design, and territorial gains. it derives much of its legitimacy from its (so far seemingly successful attempt) to form a caliphate. the corollary of having territory is that territory gives you sources of (i) sustenance and (ii) most importantly, income.
a large part of what has drawn people to align themselves under the isis banner instead of other radical groups is some form of modern day religio-manifest destiny. they are fulfilling the scripture. and it keeps growing because it has places for people to live, sleep, train, grow food ,and oil fields and facilities (drugs) to finance itself.
if you take away their land you take away their legitimacy and their income.
but with that said, a protracted ground war aimed at taking out isis would just create a vaccuum that would quickly be filled up by al qaeda and other radicals.
a large part of what has drawn people to align themselves under the isis banner instead of other radical groups is some form of modern day religio-manifest destiny. they are fulfilling the scripture. and it keeps growing because it has places for people to live, sleep, train, grow food ,and oil fields and facilities (drugs) to finance itself.
if you take away their land you take away their legitimacy and their income.
but with that said, a protracted ground war aimed at taking out isis would just create a vaccuum that would quickly be filled up by al qaeda and other radicals.
MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
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Re: OT: Canadian Politics
Instead of a 2.7 billion surplus, we are actually running a 3 billion deficit for 15/16.
Instead of a 2.7 billion surplus, we are actually running a 3 billion deficit for 15/16.
anne25
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Re: OT: Canadian Politics
:sleepey: That comes as no surprise. It is worse than expected. Every government that takes over the reins from the previous one comes up with that line or one similar. The Liberals can adjust their accounting and fiddle with numbers every bit as well as the Conservatives and, given the chance, as the NDP would do.
:sleepey: That comes as no surprise. It is worse than expected. Every government that takes over the reins from the previous one comes up with that line or one similar. The Liberals can adjust their accounting and fiddle with numbers every bit as well as the Conservatives and, given the chance, as the NDP would do.
LeafGm
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Re: OT: Canadian Politics
It is a story that's as old as politics itself. New party comes in, and promptly tells the electorate that "hey, we're sorry, there's a whole bunch of promises we now can't fulfil because the old government left us in much worse shape than we thought." I don't doubt that the Liberals are playing this game to a degree, and skewing the numbers as far to the negative side as the ledger as possible to give themselves breathing room.
At the same time, I don't doubt that there's some truth to what they're saying. I did argue during the election campaign that the CPC "balancing" of the budget was an election-campaign mirage conjured up by the one-time sale of its GM stocks, and the liquidation of an emergency fund that is usually kept in reserve.
It is a story that's as old as politics itself. New party comes in, and promptly tells the electorate that "hey, we're sorry, there's a whole bunch of promises we now can't fulfil because the old government left us in much worse shape than we thought." I don't doubt that the Liberals are playing this game to a degree, and skewing the numbers as far to the negative side as the ledger as possible to give themselves breathing room.
At the same time, I don't doubt that there's some truth to what they're saying. I did argue during the election campaign that the CPC "balancing" of the budget was an election-campaign mirage conjured up by the one-time sale of its GM stocks, and the liquidation of an emergency fund that is usually kept in reserve.
UWHabs
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Re: OT: Canadian Politics
Conservative shadow cabinet announced: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rona-ambrose-conservative-shadow-cabinet-1.3327895
Not that anyone cares, but I find it kind of funny that they named more shadow cabinet members (32) than Trudeau has cabinet ministers (31 including himself).
Conservative shadow cabinet announced: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rona-ambrose-conservative-shadow-cabinet-1.3327895
Not that anyone cares, but I find it kind of funny that they named more shadow cabinet members (32) than Trudeau has cabinet ministers (31 including himself).
MindzEye
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Re: OT: Canadian Politics
In fairness, the dodgy accounting practices of the Conservative effort to make it looked like they met their balanced budget promise, were well known. It didn't take the Liberals "fiddling" with the numbers to come to this conclusion, just returning to previous accepted accounting practices would have sufficed.
In fairness, the dodgy accounting practices of the Conservative effort to make it looked like they met their balanced budget promise, were well known. It didn't take the Liberals "fiddling" with the numbers to come to this conclusion, just returning to previous accepted accounting practices would have sufficed.
Wayward DP
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Re: OT: Canadian Politics
yikes, corky's been going off the deep end since the election.
On the one hand, you have Mindz acknowledging Mansbridge's conflict of interest, but pointing out the whole PostMedia debacle. On the other hand, corky seems to have no rebuttal to this other than repeating the same talking points. And LGM and others indicate that yes, the CBC almost certainly has a bias.
Something else I will add that has not been mentioned (and a slight correction to the story as portrayed by Mindz), is that Coyne actually resigned not because the publisher insisted the editorial board endorse the Conservatives (he was okay with this, as this is industry standard), but because they refused to publish his personal opinion column saying that he himself (as an opinion writer) did not support the Conservatives.
That of course, is a great example of 'media bias'.
yikes, corky's been going off the deep end since the election.
On the one hand, you have Mindz acknowledging Mansbridge's conflict of interest, but pointing out the whole PostMedia debacle. On the other hand, corky seems to have no rebuttal to this other than repeating the same talking points. And LGM and others indicate that yes, the CBC almost certainly has a bias.
Something else I will add that has not been mentioned (and a slight correction to the story as portrayed by Mindz), is that Coyne actually resigned not because the publisher insisted the editorial board endorse the Conservatives (he was okay with this, as this is industry standard), but because they refused to publish his personal opinion column saying that he himself (as an opinion writer) did not support the Conservatives.
That of course, is a great example of 'media bias'.
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Broken down political pundit @GeorgeWill, who is wrong almost all of the time, should be thrown off @FoxNews. Boring and totally biased!
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump Nov 19
Ben Carson is being severely criticized for being incapable of understanding foreign policy be one of his top consultants. Not good!
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axlsalinger
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Said it before, but we are watching this movie live :
Idiocracy 2: The Life and Times of Donald J. Trump.
His posts look like they were written by a 14 year old who just discovered politics.
Idiocracy 2: The Life and Times of Donald J. Trump.
His posts look like they were written by a 14 year old who just discovered politics.
onetwothree
New member
Scary part is Carson is crazier
MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
Well-known member
Do not forget Cruz who is in third place is equally as insane.
MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
Well-known member
Do not forget Cruz who is in third place is equally as insane.
Re: OT: Canadian Politics
The Libs left Harper a 10 billion surplus so there was no need to fiddle with the numbers .
The Libs left Harper a 10 billion surplus so there was no need to fiddle with the numbers .
corksens
Legend
Re: OT: Canadian Politics
a) Governments always tweak their numbers to their benefit. The Liberals balanced budgets after pilfering EI accounts. The Conservatives sold GM shares (that weren't sold at bad price).
b) New governments always say the old government left the finances in more than a mess. It allows them to take a parting shot at the old government, and also helps them justify deficits and debt.
It's clockwork.
a) Governments always tweak their numbers to their benefit. The Liberals balanced budgets after pilfering EI accounts. The Conservatives sold GM shares (that weren't sold at bad price).
b) New governments always say the old government left the finances in more than a mess. It allows them to take a parting shot at the old government, and also helps them justify deficits and debt.
It's clockwork.
blacksheep
New member
Re: OT: Canadian Politics
Corky dismissing the truth and making more excuses for the cons - it's clockwork.
Corky dismissing the truth and making more excuses for the cons - it's clockwork.