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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

The fact that it is November doesn't make any difference to the quality of these moves.

Unless you are saying, "Its only November 28 what the hell are they signing Happ for at this point".
 
If you're Donaldson, do you want to stay long term when you look at this staff?

I know his buddy Chavez is here, but that's likely only a one year thing.

Will Shapiro/Rogers even pay up to keep him? He's about the same age as Price and they had no interest in Price long term.
 
MindzEye said:
My biggest concern though....is that small market thinking is not a long term strategy for success in the ALE. We had/have a window of a few years where Boston is floundering in bad money and development years for young players, and NYY got old and injured. We only have so long before Boston figures their shit out and the Bryce Harper in pinstripes era starts, and we're pissing it away because Rogers wants us to act like Toronto is ****ing Cleveland.
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Yep. The next 2 years provide an opportune window in more ways than one.
 
So we weakened the bullpen why exactly? We did not need to get Chavez now with this deal.

We're already hurting without AA.

Shapiro was the right guy for Rogers, but boy, what horrible timing to bring him in.
 
Given the window of opportunity and the special circumstances the Jays are in, if Rogers bumped up the payroll to the 160-170 range just for this year, the Jays would likely be able to field a WS favourite. I'd even forgive them if they went all Florida Marlin in 2017 and stripped it down, if it didn't work out. At least they tried and went all out.

Instead we are stuck with Chavez and Happ with JB and EE in their last years.

I need a national league team that cares about winning WS.
 
We can't attract big name arms here, but we can get big name bats, and more importantly with guys like Bautista and EE, we've kept them.

We were never going to get the guys you wanted, but we might be able to trade for some of them in at the deadline, or maybe even before that. As long as we can keep the offense going we should be able to make a push like we did this season.
Price wasn't coming back. Doesn't mean Happ was the best option for ****ssakes, but we aren't even at the Winter meetings yet.
 
Bleedsblue&white said:
We can't attract big name arms here, but we can get big name bats, and more importantly with guys like Bautista and EE, we've kept them.

We were never going to get the guys you wanted, but we might be able to trade for some of them in at the deadline, or maybe even before that. As long as we can keep the offense going we should be able to make a push like we did this season.
Price wasn't coming back. Doesn't mean Happ was the best option for ****ssakes, but we aren't even at the Winter meetings yet.
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Based on what exactly? We have the wealthiest ownership group in baseball, even if they don't act like it, and if they gave a damn we could pay the top free agents top dollar amount every single year. Toronto's one of the most desirable cities for American players to play in (most love it once they come here), with world-class nightlife and cultural elements, and the Jays boast the best offence in baseball.

This is small-market bullshit loser talk. We can compete with anyone if we had a group that cared about winning.
 
Bleedsblue&white said:
We can't attract big name arms here, but we can get big name bats, and more importantly with guys like Bautista and EE, we've kept them.

We were never going to get the guys you wanted, but we might be able to trade for some of them in at the deadline, or maybe even before that. As long as we can keep the offense going we should be able to make a push like we did this season.
Price wasn't coming back. Doesn't mean Happ was the best option for ****ssakes, but we aren't even at the Winter meetings yet.
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what do you mean they can't attract big name arms?

when they have tried, they have.

the problem is that they didn't try.

and i don't care that they aren't at the winter meetings. stroman is their only good pitcher. he's a lock. estrada was just reupped. he's a lock. they just gave happ a $36M deal. he's a lock. it seems pretty unlikely that they exercised the option on dickey to trade him. so there's 4 of 5 spots locked down. and they still have hutchison and now chavez in the fold. that's 6 arms.

unless shapiro is able to swing a deal for something htat is practically never traded (a young, controllable #1 or #2 pitcher)... this is it, outside of maybe adding some veteran depth by way of non roster invite.
 
Deckie007 said:
Nov 28.
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Don't care what date it is. Nothing in Shapiro's record suggests that he's remotely good at what we all know this roster needs. The only thing he's done really well to this point, in his career, has been trading away the type of pieces we need, for good young players. So if the plan is to trade Joey, Edwin, Tulo, Donaldson, etc and get a good haul of quality young MLB'ers/prospects in return, Shapiro is definitely your guy when you examine his track record.
 
Its been shown time and time again over the years that the top free agent arms will sign here if you offer the $$ (Morris, Stewart, Clemens, Burnett, Myers, Ryan)
 
Bleedsblue&white said:
Pitchers don't want to pitch here. That hasn't changed suddenly...though I'd hoped that winning might help.
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there is just no basis for this comment.

dickey happily signed an extension here.

halladay routinely re-upped.

and in the past, when they went to the market, guys signed here (as leafman pointed out)
 
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