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At what point do we look at the GM...

I agree with the poster that said we're already past the point of no return.

It is going to be extremely difficult to recover from this era. Having no prospects is a serious long term organizational crisis.

We might need two or three years of compete shit to recover.
 
I agree with the poster that said we're already past the point of no return.

It is going to be extremely difficult to recover from this era. Having no prospects is a serious long term organizational crisis.

We might need two or three years of compete shit to recover.

Wont happen cause 31 will prevent us from drafting high in the lottery , sorry to say but we needed to do the Shanny Plan , not the bandaid plan .
 
Wont happen cause 31 will prevent us from drafting high in the lottery , sorry to say but we needed to do the Shanny Plan , not the bandaid plan .

"Shanny Plan" was the result of making the playoffs once in 7 or 8-years. So pray Habs don't make playoffs next 5-6 seasons then, maybe the ownership consortium will give the green light for a tear down & rebuild.

And that won't happen since, Habs have won the division 3-out of-5 seasons MBs been GM, and will likely contend for the division yet again. Recall Habs won division running away with it by 8-points last season). This years team is on par with last years & the other teams in the division are not 10-regular season points better, just sayin...
 
"Shanny Plan" was the result of making the playoffs once in 7 or 8-years. So pray Habs don't make playoffs next 5-6 seasons then, maybe the ownership consortium will give the green light for a tear down & rebuild.

And that won't happen since, Habs have won the division 3-out of-5 seasons MBs been GM, and will likely contend for the division yet again. Recall Habs won division running away with it by 8-points last season). This years team is on par with last years & the other teams in the division are not 10-regular season points better, just sayin...

They will struggle this year IMO , wild card team at best .

The Shanny plan simply ended a decade of bandaid, BS , and absolute moronic patch jobs inking Clarkson types and making among the most retarded hockey decisions in history.

He stopped the charade of lunacy and hired quality people for scouting , drafting and player development and Lou to oversee this short term .

They cleaned up the regime from top to bottom , not retaining the same clowns who cant draft and develop like we do .

They changed the entire philosophical direction that served the Leafs for a decade . That mindset alone might be more important to start the transition than simply gutting a roster and or tanking .
 
Its pointless. The habs will continue to mske the playoffs,even if just by a point or two, fans will continue to fill the seats, molson will continue to make his money and nothing is going to change. This team doesn't care about winning the cup, it's about printing money at this point. In that regard, it's a success, and saving 8.5 million this season makes even more sense when looking at it that way.

Montrealers, habs fans, who once rioted for a player being suspended are now complacent enablers who have settled for the mediocre organization that the habs have become.

Until fans stop showing up and molson feels the pain in his wallet, nothing is going to change. Best to just accept it.
 
"Shanny Plan" was the result of making the playoffs once in 7 or 8-years. So pray Habs don't make playoffs next 5-6 seasons then, maybe the ownership consortium will give the green light for a tear down & rebuild.

And that won't happen since, Habs have won the division 3-out of-5 seasons MBs been GM, and will likely contend for the division yet again. Recall Habs won division running away with it by 8-points last season). This years team is on par with last years & the other teams in the division are not 10-regular season points better, just sayin...

I look at it differently. To borrow an investment motto, "past performance does not guarantee future success". Every year entails new risks. Injuries, slumps, not repeating last year's OT success, etc.

As for the original question, at what point do we look at the GM....I look at him from day one. I definitely didn't like what I saw during the summer of Parros, Murray, McCarron as it showed a strategy based on recency bias rather than long term thinking.
 
The problem with the Habs is Molson. I said it when they reacquired the team, the Molson family doesn't give a shit about winning, it's all about PC and money.
 
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The problem with the Habs is Molson. I said it when they reacquired the team, the Molson family down give a shit about winning, it's all about PC and money.

I wanted to give them a chance but all signs point to them using the habs as a cash cow. Couldn't care less about winning a cup. Shitty draft record, head scout still here.

Shitty ahl team. Head coach still there.

Same team that can't get to the final, still mostly intact and this year with the added twist of 8.5 million in unused cap space. Total confidence in GM.

This team really isn't even trying anymore.
 
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