Pleks is the better player overall. Pleks was also on the ice for 49% of penalties for us during the reg season and an insane 56% in the playoffs. Dubinsky was 38% reg season and 27% in the playoffs. I like Pleks more, while he doesn't bring it as physical, he will put up more points incl goals and is way more crucial on the PK. Not to mention, he makes less.
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Pleks is the better player overall. Pleks was also on the ice for 49% of penalties for us during the reg season and an insane 56% in the playoffs. Dubinsky was 38% reg season and 27% in the playoffs. I like Pleks more, while he doesn't bring it as physical, he will put up more points incl goals and is way more crucial on the PK. Not to mention, he makes less.
Bang on , Toews is the total package , and Bergeron isnt that far off
GGpX
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Videos like this are the reason I value goals waaaaaay more than assists:
[video=youtube;eZ9Q23-oViQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ9Q23-oViQ[/video]
Fluke goals, like when a player shoots the puck in the zone, hits the board and takes a funny bounce into the net, happen a dozen time or so every year. In a busy night, you could probably watch the hi-lights for every goal and find a half dozen flukey assists where one (or maybe even two) of the players who were credited with an assist had nothing to do at all with the creation of the goal, they just happened to be the last two players to touch the puck before their team mate scored the goal.
Admittedly, there are instances where there's a pass so pretty that the goal is simply a tap-in into an empty net, but again, those are much too infrequent.
Cody Franson got an assist on Kessel's goal, both getting one point. Now who deserves credit on that goal? Realistically, it's 100% Kessel with zero credit to Franson.
[video=youtube;eZ9Q23-oViQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ9Q23-oViQ[/video]
Fluke goals, like when a player shoots the puck in the zone, hits the board and takes a funny bounce into the net, happen a dozen time or so every year. In a busy night, you could probably watch the hi-lights for every goal and find a half dozen flukey assists where one (or maybe even two) of the players who were credited with an assist had nothing to do at all with the creation of the goal, they just happened to be the last two players to touch the puck before their team mate scored the goal.
Admittedly, there are instances where there's a pass so pretty that the goal is simply a tap-in into an empty net, but again, those are much too infrequent.
Cody Franson got an assist on Kessel's goal, both getting one point. Now who deserves credit on that goal? Realistically, it's 100% Kessel with zero credit to Franson.
GGpX
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Quality of competition explains that.
Pleks is always on the ice against the team's best lines. He has the toughest job of any forward on the team. He gets tougher competition, gets tougher faceoff zone starts with less PP time and more PK time. He does have a tendency to get caught a little too often for my liking, but it's part of the deal. He is what he is.
In a small sample size for sure. You cannot look at assist totals over the course of a game or two... or five or even ten and determine how good a guy is at assists. However, over the course of a 50, 60, 70, 100 games or more the "fluke" factor becomes irrelevant and good playmakers will put up more assists.
Thornton or Crosby may have more "flukey" assists than other players but they will also have more legitimate assists.
UWHabs
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Unless if someone wants to go through and catalog every goal and assign credits to all the players on the ice, we're never going to know players' real values.
At the basic point, they should value assists only about 2/3, as there are on average around 1.5 assists per goal, I think. If we had even that basic value assigned to them, that would help bring the value of goals and assists together a lot closer.
I agree that goals in general are more valuable... but over the course of a decent sample size assists are definitely not flukey.
Usually what what you pay is what you get. Not impressive.
Sal_Butera
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IMO Ribeiro & Roy should thrive under Laviolette's run & gun system - especially for year 1.
The Preds org is such a mirror image of the Expos it's not funny - now they only need to find their Vladdy....
They're both in their mid-30's. They might expire under his system.
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Habsy
Yes, I'm kidding people.
You don't listen to much modern Country do you?
Dr.Phibes
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1980 says hello. :smilewinkgrin: