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OT: The News Thread

Another shining moment for the most evil organization in human history:

What began as a trickle of revelation about General Francisco Franco’s ideological cleansing by taking children from their parents is now a fully engaged scandal in a country wracked by debt, unemployment and civil unrest. As many as 300,000 babies, Spaniards have been told, were wrested from their mothers between 1960 and 1989 by a network of doctors, midwives, priests and nuns who then sold them to infertile couples for huge sums.

The scandal emerged four years ago, when a dying father revealed to his son, Juan Luis Moreno, that he and a childhood friend, Antonio Barroso, had, in fact, been bought from a priest and a nun for about 200,000 pesetas each in 1969, money that could have bought a small flat. Pesetas were the Spanish currency until 2002.

Nobody knows for sure how many children — and parents — are living false lives. Nearly 1,000 lawsuits have been filed in courts ill-prepared to handle them. And with the scandal has come a stream of shocking details — tiny corpses kept in freezers as decoys to show grieving parents; nuns with million-dollar real estate holdings and caskets exhumed after decades found empty.

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One woman has told reporters that in 1969, a priest encouraged her to fake a pregnancy until a child became available for purchase. And a man who drove babies’ caskets to a cemetery in southern Spain says at least 20 of the boxes were far too light to hold children’s remains — or, for that matter, to hold anything at all.

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When Barroso learned he had been bought, his mother was ill. He surreptitiously swabbed her cheek for DNA tests that proved she was not his biological parent. She eventually confessed that a nun she had befriended did her a favour.

He and Moreno followed the trail to another nun, now 85, and in hospital. The men have visited her several times — hoping she will reveal the names of their real mothers. But she has revealed nothing.

“She remained absolutely unmoved,” Moreno says. “She said her conscience was at peace. She helped mothers in a disgraceful situation. She had nothing but peaceful thoughts.”

The nun has not been charged with any crime. The Roman Catholic Church has not commented.

Barroso and Moreno have learned that she owns seven properties, estimating her worth at one million euros (nearly $1.4 million Canadian). One of the properties was inherited and another was donated, but the remaining five appear to be outright purchases.

“How is it possible that a nun with espoused vows of chastity, poverty and obedience should be worth so much money? How has she accrued so much property?” Moreno asks.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1083063--searching-for-spain-s-stolen-babies?bn=1
 
CBS Sports by Eric__Smith
AP: Joe Frazier has died after a brief final fight with liver cancer. He was 67. The family issued a release confirming the boxer's death.


Greatest rivalry of all time. Period. Full stop.


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We'll never see anything like it again.
 
Canadians tend to view occupy protests in positive light - poll

Most Canadians who know about the Occupy Wall Street movement view it favourably, a new poll has found, reflecting anxiety over job prospects and savings plans amid Canada’s fragile economic recovery.

The Nanos Research poll conducted for The Globe and Mail and La Presse found that 58 per cent of Canadians who are aware of the protests have a favourable or somewhat favourable impression of them.

Many of those who see the Occupy movement in a positive light said it’s because they either support the demonstrations or think protesters are expressing valid concerns.

“I think the subtext is Canadians worrying about a possible second recession, regardless of the fact that Canada has fared relatively better compared with other countries,” said pollster Nik Nanos. “People are worried about their jobs and they’re concerned about their savings.”

Occupy activists have pitched tents in at least eight Canadian cities, building on a protest movement that started in New York’s financial district nearly two months ago. Participants have no official demands, but are advocating for a variety of social justice and economic issues, including nationalizing Canadian banks, closing tax loopholes for the wealthy and increasing the minimum wage. Most say they are frustrated that a small number of people control most of the world’s wealth.

“For many Canadians, they might not necessarily agree with those views, but they think that they are valid. Those are legitimate concerns that are being raised about our democratic and financial system,” Mr. Nanos said.

The most significant demographic that views the Occupy movement favourably is people who are between 18 and 29 years of age, the poll found, which may be reflective of a tough job market for new workers. Nearly 73 per cent of people under 30 said they have a favourable or somewhat favourable impression of the protests.

Although respondents in their 40s view the protests less favourably than other demographics, about 50 per cent of them still expressed a favourable or somewhat favourable impression of the protests. People in their 60s had the most polarized reactions to the protests, with 34 per cent saying their impression is favourable and 32 per cent saying it is unfavourable.

“It could very well be that for young people that are going out into the job market when things are very uncertain, the Occupy Wall Street movement could be a bit of a rallying point and symbol,” Mr. Nanos said.

The poll also found a regional divide in support for the protests, with people in Quebec and British Columbia expressing the most favourable views of the protests, while those in the Prairies had the least favourable responses.

“If you’re in Alberta or Saskatchewan, things look pretty good. The economy is strong, there are lots of jobs, the oil sector is very robust,” Mr. Nanos said. “There just isn’t as much anxiety about the economy and the future compared to other parts of the country.”

Most of those who viewed the Occupy protests unfavourably said it was because they believed it was pointless or lacked leadership.
 
I wonder if that is before a young girl OD'd in a Vancouver tent...

This whole "protest" in Canada is stupid. These camps are filled with drug addicts, full-time homeless, and people with severe mental illness. There is a small portion of entitled kids thinking they are doing something big to save the world.

Eviction notices should be sent immediately.
 
[video=youtube;CVdMySWfAIQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVdMySWfAIQ[/video]

The irony in this video is overwhelming. Some fatass overly opinionated woman complaining about her "health" being affected from his exhaust. If she wasn't pushing 200 lbs I might believe that's what she is actually worried about.

Radical Environmentalism...it is spreading.
 
You guys think enviro a-holes like that are rare? Think again. I had two screaming at the poor city worker who was cleaning a rain runoff DITCH. I called the city in to clean that ditch to keep it from filling in and flooding the neighbourhood buildings. They were screaming, and I mean SCREAMING that he was destroying the "natural environment".

Then there was the couple who confronted us when my friends and I were going hunting. We asked them if they wanted to tag along into the deep woods.....for some odd reason, they declined.

Then there was the asshats who put up a stink that a couple of trees had to be cut down to put up a wind turbine.

Then there was the asshats who screamed bloody murder that a few birds are killed by turbine blades.....while millions are killed routinely by high rise buildings and transmission lines.

Notice one thing in that video. She is screaming at them but kept on saying about "don't touch me". The common thread with screaming enviro whiners is that they have the "right" to scream in your face with impunity particularly if they are woman. I also believe that you shouldn't come in direct contact with them.............that is why pepper spray is so helpful.
 
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By now, you should know that if I'm handed lemons, I make lemonade......for a profit.

Funny that it doesn't stop you from constantly complaining about the bitter taste they leave in your mouth...

I could not put solar on my existing buildings simply because they are in an area that will be redeveloped. Meanwhile, IF McStupid does not crash the rates, I talked to a couple of commercial roofers to let me know if they are doing any complete re-roof jobs on suitable buildings. Without going in too much detail, you can't place a large solar project on existing commercial/industrial size roofing without properly re-roofing it.

Yeah, it's a load baring issue that is an issue with commercial flat roofing. That's the funny thing about technological progress, yesterday's infrastructure is usually ill suited to implement it.

If the lemmings want to hang themselves, I'll do my best to dissuade them but if they insist..................I'll sell them the rope. *shrug*

and that's all any of us can ask of the opponents of progress, get the **** out of the way and make a few dollars for your trouble while things get better. Improvement usually isn't a linear progress.
 
Thermal has a huge hidden problem. You can bring all kinds of nasty stuff up along with the heat.

Yeah, but they're similar problems that the mining industry alreadly deals with. The main concerns imo would be H2S & SO2 (both are very, very nasty gases that are fatal even in ridiculously low volume *as low as 100ppm*).

Plus it causes small earthquakes that have some chance of causing bigger one.

As does fracking

Tidal needs some work on what it does to the local fish population.

Nah, it affects the migratory patterns of some species, but short of getting caught in the rotors themselves, local area fish aren't effected much.



Solar is about the most trouble free but at this point, still expensive. Price have dropped to about half of what they were 3 years ago but that is due mostly to world wide glut and vicious competition. A lot of countries are now realizing that they are screwing their rate payers and their economies and dropping their feed in rates.


You're ignoring the advances in technology that are bringing the price down. It's the dirty little secret of the Solyndra mess that the US right wing doesn't want to talk about...the reason they went tits up (and turned into a political talking point) was that their technology was obsolete before they tried bringing it to market.


IF....IF....there is some technology breakthrough and solar come down to $1.0m per Mw, it would cheap enough to spread to rooftops everywhere. It now stand at about $2.7m per Mw for large projects. Of course, it still needs good old fashioned gas or coal back up at night or in bad weather.

It will come down in price, just like I told you it would a few years ago when you first started on the topic on this board. As for requiring backup...for now, yes it does. Battery technology really is the holy grail for renewables, but the type of large scale industrial battery delivery system required is still a technological generation away (about a half dozen really interesting concepts are being scaled up into workable prototypes after their proof of concepts passing most tests with flying colours...but are still 5-7 years from any sort of local/regional implementation).

We're talking about a massive change, and a massive investment in our energy infrastructure. It took over 130 years to build the infrastructure, and while changes won't take 130 years to make, I don't expect it to take less than 30-40 years, with the changes really only starting to happen over the last 5-7 years.
 
are we now judging things based on the number of azzholes who agree with them?

I believe that the greatest thinker (he wasn't just a physicist) of the last few hundred years had a quote suggesting the exact same thing.
 
Nah, it affects the migratory patterns of some species, but short of getting caught in the rotors themselves, local area fish aren't effected much.

Some of the studies I've seen complain of more than just a minor inconvenience for local fish.

Macrotidal estuaries: a region of collision between migratory marine animals and tidal power development

Dadswell, M.J., Rulifson, R.A. Correspondence address

Department of Biology, Acadia University, Wolfville, NS, Canada BOP 1XO and ICMR, East Carolina University, Greenville, NC 27834 U.S.A.

Abstract

Macrotidal estuaries of the inner Bay of Fundy are utilized by large numbers of migratory fishes, particularly dogfish, sturgeon, herring, shad, Atlantic salmon and striped bass as well as by other migratory marine animals, many of which have large body sizes (squid, Lamnid sharks, seals and whales). Tagging experiments indicate the fishes originate from stocks derived over the entire North American Atlantic coast from Florida to LaBrador. Population estimates suggest up to 2.0 × 106 adult American shad (Alosa sapidissima) migrate through an individual embayment each year. These migrations are an integral part of the life history of the respective species and appear to be controlled in part by the near shore movements of ocean currents. In other regions of the world similar macrotidal estuaries exist (Cook Inlet, Alaska; Severn Estuary, U.K.) and they, like the Bay of Fundy, are linked in continuum to the local ocean currents. We propose that marine animals utilize all these regions in a manner similar to the Bay of Fundy estuaries and properly designed surveys will reveal their presence. Fish passage studies utilizing the Annapolis estuary low-head, tidal turbine on the Bay of Fundy have shown that turbine related mortality of 20-80% per passage occurs depending on fish species, fish size and the efficiency of turbine operation. We suggest that introduction of tidal turbines into open ocean current systems will cause widespread impact on marine populations resulting in significant declines in abundance. © 1994 The Linnean Society of London.
 
what's the general state of the technology I've seen that's more about riding the currents up and down with flotation devices? Where the vertical movement of the floats as the tide rises and falls turns a generator. That seems much less intrusive than turbines.
 
[video=youtube;CVdMySWfAIQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVdMySWfAIQ[/video]

The irony in this video is overwhelming. Some fatass overly opinionated woman complaining about her "health" being affected from his exhaust. If she wasn't pushing 200 lbs I might believe that's what she is actually worried about.

Radical Environmentalism...it is spreading.

A WILD SNORLAX HAS APPEARED!

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