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Round 2 | Montréal vs. Boston

Their goalie has a shit eating grin. I can't wait until we make him lose his mahbles again.

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Habspatrol said:
Maybe... I suppose in the right context there could be some use... but they're really just a glorified shots for and against stat.
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While thats true.... it shows a extremely high correlation to puck possession.... and a better correlation to winning than almost any other stat.

Are they the be all and end all that places like sbnation want them to be? No.

Are they useful? In proper context yes because they are extremely repeatable.


In baseball.... ops is just a glorified addition of on base plus slugging... but over time has shown to be a much better way to evaluate a player than batting average.
 
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BKerr said:
While thats true.... it shows a extremely high correlation to puck possession.... and a better correlation to winning than almost any other stat.

Are they the be all and end all that places like sbnation want them to be? No.

Are they useful? In proper context yes because they are extremely repeatable.


In baseball.... ops is just a glorified addition of on base plus slugging... but over time has shown to be a much better way to evaluate a player than batting average.
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I'd venture a guess that shot for and against differential is close to if not as accurate in correlating to win percentage as corsi or Fenwick.
 
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The studies have been done. They are good but not as accurate.

Just like batting average is good but not as accurate as ops
 
I thought this quote was funny from a Habs player when asked about late word they would start the series Thursday;

We found out (Tuesday) night. I like it better that way. There's a little less time to think. We're jumping right back into the action. I think that's when I play my best hockey, when I'm not thinking.
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That player went on to to say this as well about an unconfirmed report of a 12:30 pm start on Saturday;

I like playing afternoon games," he said. "No meetings in the morning. Not thinking too much about the game. Just going out and playing
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northernlou said:
I can't figure where you got the minus 3 for Murray against the Bruins this year. I see him at +/- 0 reviewing the boxscores over at nhl.com. And just for the sake of clarity I don't believe anyone sees Murray as anything more than what he is, myself included. You have him scoring only 2/4 on your size, strength, skill and speed valuations. And I agree. It's just that I don't see Bou scoring any higher than 2/4 himself based on his speed and decent enough skill.

And you do provide enough stats against Murray to make a good case, however if this is between him and Bou, I hold my nose between these two marginal #6 D men and choose Murray in a limited capacity as he was effectively used against Boston during the season.

No Hab defenceman played more SH minutes than Murray against the Bruins all yr. In fact he led all Habs in sh mins against Boston in 3 of 4 games helping to limit Boston to a 1/13 success rate in those 4 games. I doubt we go 3-1 against Boston this year without those numbers. And the Bruins just went 6/16 on the pp against the Red Wings. We can't afford that and if Murray is out, those big minutes have to be replaced just as effectively. FWIW he exercised some discipline and only had 2 mins in penalty time over the course of 4 games against Boston. And then there is the size factor which matters against Boston. Given how he played Boston this yr, I don't believe all your red flags against him are warranted. He played about 13-14 mins per gm against Boston this year, and he'd have to be deployed in no greater capacity than that. Granted, that's something to deal with. Bou can log more time. But I'm not so sure that's a good thing in this setting.

Anyway, bottom line is...we see 55 in game one based on a good showing against Tampa. We'll see how long that lasts mind you. If we're successful nothing changes and I'm good with that too.
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Ben spins the stats to pad his stance...I see others are not fooled by it
 
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