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Trade Deadline 2019

Tonight the Habs start their descent. Bergevin missed a great opportunity to be sensible and pay a very reasonable price to improve this team. We won’t make the playoffs...

Just saw Lhekonen miss a breakaway. We’re great at hanging onto scrubs...until they’re officially proven to be scrubs.
 
Tonight the Habs start their descent. Bergevin missed a great opportunity to be sensible and pay a very reasonable price to improve this team. We won’t make the playoffs...

Just saw Lhekonen miss a breakaway. We’re great at hanging onto scrubs...until they’re officially proven to be scrubs.
this isn't the year to be trading away futures.

Nomatter who was added, this team isn't winning the cup, so what's the point?
 
this isn't the year to be trading away futures.

Nomatter who was added, this team isn't winning the cup, so what's the point?

The point is to live somewhat in the present. I really don’t get the argument this « isn’t the year » but also « anything can happen » in the playoffs.

Trading a 2nd isn’t exactly giving away the future. It’s a calculated risk that highly paid GMs need to make to balance the progress a team needs to make versus sitting on tomorrow.
 
The point is to live somewhat in the present. I really don’t get the argument this « isn’t the year » but also « anything can happen » in the playoffs.

Trading a 2nd isn’t exactly giving away the future. It’s a calculated risk that highly paid GMs need to make to balance the progress a team needs to make versus sitting on tomorrow.

Some good players come out of the second round. Why give that up if the team isn't a cup contender. Your right, we need to live in the present, and presently, this is a bubble team. Bubble teams don't win cups very often. The odds are highly stacked against bubble teams. So why be buyers when the odds are so low? Doesnt make sense. Believe in the process, dont rush it.
 
The point is to live somewhat in the present. I really don’t get the argument this « isn’t the year » but also « anything can happen » in the playoffs.

Because *anything* can't happen unless your definition of "anything" is sneaking through to the 2nd round with an upset against the Isles.

Trading a 2nd isn’t exactly giving away the future. It’s a calculated risk that highly paid GMs need to make to balance the progress a team needs to make versus sitting on tomorrow.

A 2nd isn't giving away your entire future, no. But it's an excellent source of good hockey players if you draft reasonably well. Washington's LHD on their shut down pair last year, Orlov, was a 2nd. Probably the Habs best draft selection of the last 10-12 years was a 2nd if memory serves well, no? Pretty good odds of pulling NHL bodies out of the 2nd round with an outside shot at a stud (Kucherov, John Gibson, Aho, Debrincat, RoR), why spend that on what exactly, Marcus Johansson? (he actually went for more than just a second, but whatever)

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Spending assets that can help the future to prop up a club that has no real present. It absolutely is a stupid game. It's how good, but only just good teams find themselves always missing those 2-3 good players that would make them a legit threat. Where would Nashville be if they punted on the 2nd rounders that they turned into Josi and the 4th they turned into Arvidsson (ironically enough, the cost of 2 months worth of Marcus Johansson at the trade deadline this year)? Be patient, trust the process. Because if you can't trust your management group to patiently build a winner, why would you trust them to add the right pieces to make you better now for future assets?
 
Tonight the Habs start their descent. Bergevin missed a great opportunity to be sensible and pay a very reasonable price to improve this team. We won’t make the playoffs...

Just saw Lhekonen miss a breakaway. We’re great at hanging onto scrubs...until they’re officially proven to be scrubs.

We sure don't have the same definition of reasonable price. All of the good players went for very high prices and as Bergevin said, all the discussion started around KK, Poehling and Romanov every single time so I'm actually really good with what Bergevin did. For once, he sticked to his plan and didn't try to change it because we are having a better year than anticipated.
 
We sure don't have the same definition of reasonable price. All of the good players went for very high prices and as Bergevin said, all the discussion started around KK, Poehling and Romanov every single time so I'm actually really good with what Bergevin did. For once, he sticked to his plan and didn't try to change it because we are having a better year than anticipated.

The one player that went for a great price was Brassard for a 3rd rounder.

I would have pulled that off
 
Because *anything* can't happen unless your definition of "anything" is sneaking through to the 2nd round with an upset against the Isles.



A 2nd isn't giving away your entire future, no. But it's an excellent source of good hockey players if you draft reasonably well. Washington's LHD on their shut down pair last year, Orlov, was a 2nd. Probably the Habs best draft selection of the last 10-12 years was a 2nd if memory serves well, no? Pretty good odds of pulling NHL bodies out of the 2nd round with an outside shot at a stud (Kucherov, John Gibson, Aho, Debrincat, RoR), why spend that on what exactly, Marcus Johansson? (he actually went for more than just a second, but whatever)

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Spending assets that can help the future to prop up a club that has no real present. It absolutely is a stupid game. It's how good, but only just good teams find themselves always missing those 2-3 good players that would make them a legit threat. Where would Nashville be if they punted on the 2nd rounders that they turned into Josi and the 4th they turned into Arvidsson (ironically enough, the cost of 2 months worth of Marcus Johansson at the trade deadline this year)? Be patient, trust the process. Because if you can't trust your management group to patiently build a winner, why would you trust them to add the right pieces to make you better now for future assets?

Excellent post ME

Those seconds probably provide more value than bottom tier firsts . That player may get more development time and not pressured to make the big team sooner .

Those seconds look better to us now drafting Romanov , Ylonen , and Brook than wasting them on Marcus Johansen for a year of service .

It cost me 2 seconds to get Andre fooken Shaw and like you said turned into a stud midget .
 
The one player that went for a great price was Brassard for a 3rd rounder.

I would have pulled that off

MB is still in the stockpiling of picks mode.

This is good, our window is not open yet. Reload as much as possible until it is.
 
Nor is a 3rd rounder going to get you anything of actual worth in the trade market. Better off sitting on it.
 
Nor is a 3rd rounder going to get you anything of actual worth in the trade market. Better off sitting on it.

Well Derrick Brassard would have been a nice add for us at a more than reasonable price tag so yes that 3rd rounder would have gotten us something we could actually use.
 
What benefit are you expecting from 2 months of time from an okay 3rd line centre? You already have 3 centres that are better than Brassard right now.
 
What benefit are you expecting from 2 months of time from an okay 3rd line centre? You already have 3 centres that are better than Brassard right now.

Because our secondary scoring is non existent and for a 3rd round pick Brassard gives us some flexibility to play center or wing and drop up and down in the lineup.

It would have been a nice affordable move for a team like ours.

We have a kid who is about 6 months away from turning 19 that is doing tremendous things as the youngest player in the NHL. He has his more difficult nights obviously, I think it would have been a good idea to get him some support on the 3rd line.

There's no way I'm in favor of trading away our best prospects or high draft picks but a 3rd rounder is really nothing that will set us back.
 
Because our secondary scoring is non existent and for a 3rd round pick Brassard gives us some flexibility to play center or wing and drop up and down in the lineup.

It would have been a nice affordable move for a team like ours.

We have a kid who is about 6 months away from turning 19 that is doing tremendous things as the youngest player in the NHL. He has his more difficult nights obviously, I think it would have been a good idea to get him some support on the 3rd line.

There's no way I'm in favor of trading away our best prospects or high draft picks but a 3rd rounder is really nothing that will set us back.

But Brassard is nothing that would help. I mean, you're aware that he has 20 points this season and he only plays centre eh? So you pick him up and you're either pushing JK to the wing (which is dumb, he's already better than Brassard) or you're playing him on the wing (also dumb).
 
But Brassard is nothing that would help. I mean, you're aware that he has 20 points this season and he only plays centre eh? So you pick him up and you're either pushing JK to the wing (which is dumb, he's already better than Brassard) or you're playing him on the wing (also dumb).

It's really not that big a deal....it's a depth move plain and simple.

Are you guys dissecting the Nic Petan move to this extent?

It's a 3rd rounder...not a lottery pick
 
Some good players come out of the second round. Why give that up if the team isn't a cup contender. Your right, we need to live in the present, and presently, this is a bubble team. Bubble teams don't win cups very often. The odds are highly stacked against bubble teams. So why be buyers when the odds are so low? Doesnt make sense. Believe in the process, dont rush it.

Plus those drafted and slightly developed prospects can be used as trade bait in future years.

Like say Romanov, or Brook, etc


Also I think we actually really hurt outselves by not having a second rounder for 3 straight years
 
It's really not that big a deal....it's a depth move plain and simple.

Are you guys dissecting the Nic Petan move to this extent?

It's a 3rd rounder...not a lottery pick

a third rounder is a steep price to pay for a depth move

their petan trade is like our weal trade
 
MB is still in the stockpiling of picks mode.

This is good, our window is not open yet. Reload as much as possible until it is.

Quality over quantity.

Don't trade your first or seconds at the stage we're at.

But I would like to expose this group to a playoff round so they get the feeling of what it's like.

Drouin, Domi, JK, Mete, maybe a Poehling if he comes up and even young vets like Danault, Lehkonen, Armia.

I would prefer to watch a playoff round than finish 9th or 10th in the conference because that is where we'll likely finish if we don't get in.
 
MB is still in the stockpiling of picks mode.

This is good, our window is not open yet. Reload as much as possible until it is.

Quality over quantity.

Don't trade your first or seconds at the stage we're at.

But I would like to expose this group to a playoff round so they get the feeling of what it's like.

Drouin, Domi, JK, Mete, maybe a Poehling if he comes up and even young vets like Danault, Lehkonen, Armia.

I would prefer to watch a playoff round than finish 9th or 10th in the conference because that is where we'll likely finish if we don't get in.
 
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