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2019 Carolina Hurricanes Off Season Thread

Waddell sounded optimistic about how things went with Aho’s team at the draft, certainly more positive than he reported his discussions with Faulk.

With the cap another $500k below what everyone thought was the worst case scenario, Waddell could pull another rabbit out of his hat by taking on a bad contract. Too bad the cap wasn’t set before the draft, he could have parlayed some of those picks into players.
 
The other issue is that as much as a 1st is nice, this deal does nothing to address the needs of the now. Let's see how the rest of the offseason plays out.

Those two items are not related. They need to continue to make positive moves, and this is a positive move. You can't measure every move they make with the lens of it addresses the "needs of the now".

Someone was going to accept an offer at some point to bail Toronto out once they made the pot sweet enough. The Canes jumped on it and got the benefit instead of someone else doing it. Otherwise we'd be looking at this shaking our heads saying we coulda had an extra first rounder next season for half a million and missed out.
 
Those two items are not related. They need to continue to make positive moves, and this is a positive move. You can't measure every move they make with the lens of it addresses the "needs of the now".

Someone was going to accept an offer at some point to bail Toronto out once they made the pot sweet enough. The Canes jumped on it and got the benefit instead of someone else doing it. Otherwise we'd be looking at this shaking our heads saying we coulda had an extra first rounder next season for half a million and missed out.

I read over the weekend that the Canes starting point as a sweetener was Kapanen. When the Leafs made it clear that wasn’t going to happen and the Leafs offered a 1st rounder, Waddell jumped.
 
Those two items are not related. They need to continue to make positive moves, and this is a positive move. You can't measure every move they make with the lens of it addresses the "needs of the now".

Someone was going to accept an offer at some point to bail Toronto out once they made the pot sweet enough. The Canes jumped on it and got the benefit instead of someone else doing it. Otherwise we'd be looking at this shaking our heads saying we coulda had an extra first rounder next season for half a million and missed out.

This is ALL on point. I'm increasingly frustrated with the lack of patience by some in the local media and some fans. Not every move made in the off season is THE move, and although the Canes pulled a big multi-player deal off at the draft last year that doesn't mean you should demand that kind of move EVERY year at the draft. That's just dumb. All we can do is evaluate what happens when it happens and resist the urge to judge the roster as it stands on any specific day until we get a LOT closer to camp.

Oh ... while I'm on the subject, there's never anything wrong with actually using your draft picks to draft players, so long as you do it well. That's especially true in a draft like this one where the middle layer of talent was exceptionally deep. Plenty of teams were getting quality even in the depth rounds, so of all the years to really dig in and maximize your prospect pool ... this was that year. What we saw this year was the teams who have really dug into the modern scouting methods make hay on talent and skill while the dinosaurs got their size. Considering the down stream trade market, it doesn't take a PhD in stats to know who's going to benefit the most in the mid to long term from their approach. You can ALWAYS find a Jordan Martinook in the market on the cheap ... not so a guy with actual skill, even if it's just potential skill.
 
I read over the weekend that the Canes starting point as a sweetener was Kapanen. When the Leafs made it clear that wasn’t going to happen and the Leafs offered a 1st rounder, Waddell jumped.

Yup. Apparently we wanted Kapanen as a make-weight and a couple of other teams wanted Johnsson. Clearly that wasn't what Toronto were planning, even if they had to eat Marleau's deal.
 
Rumor that Duchene is meeting with 3 teams - one of them being the Canes.

That's now been reported by several fairly reliable sources. The three are Nashville, Montreal and Carolina. I think he's shown a pretty strong preference for a smaller market in terms of his comfort level, but money will talk. Nashville probably has the edge in competitiveness and the market is right. They only have a certain amount of cap space though. They've got a fourth line to build from scratch and need to get Josi locked up to an extension if they want to avoid rolling the dice on him playing next year on the last year of his deal. Montreal, dunno, but the money would have to be a lot more than the other two because of the tax situation. Carolina would look like a good fit. We've got the cap space if we want to go fairly big, and we obviously need a first line center to take another step. The thing is, until Aho is settled we can't go around saying the Canes have oodles and oodles of cap space. We really don't. Aho and a goalie could well eat up $10-12 million out of $21 million available ... pending other moves.

Oh ... also, there's speculation from less great sources that Duchene is open to taking other meetings. So, we could be looking at more players at the table. I think he ends up in Nashville, but it's nice to be in the mix ... I guess. Duchene changed my mind a bit with his performance in Columbus. He battled hard in a system that really wasn't all that well suited for him, and was effective. That compete level wasn't what I'm used to seeing from him.
 
That's now been reported by several fairly reliable sources. The three are Nashville, Montreal and Carolina. I think he's shown a pretty strong preference for a smaller market in terms of his comfort level, but money will talk. Nashville probably has the edge in competitiveness and the market is right. They only have a certain amount of cap space though. They've got a fourth line to build from scratch and need to get Josi locked up to an extension if they want to avoid rolling the dice on him playing next year on the last year of his deal. Montreal, dunno, but the money would have to be a lot more than the other two because of the tax situation. Carolina would look like a good fit. We've got the cap space if we want to go fairly big, and we obviously need a first line center to take another step. The thing is, until Aho is settled we can't go around saying the Canes have oodles and oodles of cap space. We really don't. Aho and a goalie could well eat up $10-12 million out of $21 million available ... pending other moves.

Oh ... also, there's speculation from less great sources that Duchene is open to taking other meetings. So, we could be looking at more players at the table. I think he ends up in Nashville, but it's nice to be in the mix ... I guess. Duchene changed my mind a bit with his performance in Columbus. He battled hard in a system that really wasn't all that well suited for him, and was effective. That compete level wasn't what I'm used to seeing from him.

There was an interview segment a year or two ago on Duchene where he has this country music admiration of some kind where he was quoted as saying Nashville was his dream market to play in. I would not be all surprised that the P.K. Subban trade on Saturday had a lot to do with Poile freeing up the money and cap room to sign Duchene as their July 1st big prize.
 
We've got the cap space if we want to go fairly big, and we obviously need a first line center to take another step. The thing is, until Aho is settled we can't go around saying the Canes have oodles and oodles of cap space. We really don't. Aho and a goalie could well eat up $10-12 million out of $21 million available ... pending other moves.

And, that cap space point is likely why they're shopping Faulk. Balancing the Forwards and D. We have the depth to cover the D. Not that we wouldn't miss Faulk if we trade him, but we would be better off spending the salary on a forward and covering the resulting holes on D with our depth. They can't be just looking at next season - so you've got to figure you're going to need a slot for Bean this season or next season. It's also why they need to get a reasonable deal in place for Aho instead of just paying the moon and stars.

Plus piling up picks like they've done, really bodes well for being able to sustain down the road. Really nice when you can replace from the system when you end up with a guy who you can't afford to re-sign. Thinking that boatload of picks this season and next will really come in handy 3 or 4 years out - assuming some of them pan out.
 
The thing is, until Aho is settled we can't go around saying the Canes have oodles and oodles of cap space. We really don't. Aho and a goalie could well eat up $10-12 million out of $21 million available ... pending other moves.

Those other moves include buying out Darling and Marleau, so our cap space is more like $27M. That’s enough to get Aho, Duchenne and goaltending. We’d have to shed more salary when Svech comes up unless the cap shoots up.

I seriously doubt we’ll get Duchenne, but it’s nice to be part of the A group.



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There are 3 kids headed to college and 1 to the BCHL before he goes to college, so they’re 4-5 years away from Charlotte. We still have 2 players from the 2015 draft in college, Cotton and Stevens, and have drafted at least 1 college or college-bound player every year since 2012, and that year was an outlier, we’ve drafted from college for most of the years in Raleigh.

On the international side, per Canes Prospects, all of the international players have contracts for next year, Slepets has 2 and Tieksola has 3. We could see Puistola in Charlotte in 20-21 season, I guess he’s the closest. And I imagine, the Checkers would sign him to a PTO at the end of this coming season, like they did with Sellgren, if the timing works out.
 
There was an interview segment a year or two ago on Duchene where he has this country music admiration of some kind where he was quoted as saying Nashville was his dream market to play in. I would not be all surprised that the P.K. Subban trade on Saturday had a lot to do with Poile freeing up the money and cap room to sign Duchene as their July 1st big prize.

The Preds are absolutely taking dead aim at Duchene. That doesn't automatically make them the best fit for him, and he and his agent are wise to include other teams. All Nashville freed up was $9 mil and it's going to take more than that. Their effective cap space is currently $13 million but they have other stuff to do in addition to adding a center. Plus, love the city or not ... anybody coming into Nashville is going to need to love to play Laviolette's system. That's not always a given ... especially for a guy coming out of a Torts team. One big selling point for Carolina is going to be our open, inclusive locker room. If a different drummer kind of guy like Dougie can be embraced here, so can a guy like Duchene who's always been a bit of a free spirit. That and the low key media presence are HUGE pluses for the Canes for a guy who's wired a little differently like Duchene.

I'm not saying we're in there. I'm just not saying we're out either. And I only advocate making a big free agent move when you're one player away from being serious. Guess what? We might just be one player away from being pretty freaking good IF we can get a goalie.
 
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The Preds are absolutely taking dead aim at Duchene. That doesn't automatically make them the best fit for him, and he and his agent are wise to include other teams. All Nashville freed up was $9 mil and it's going to take more than that. Their effective cap space is currently $13 million but they have other stuff to do in addition to adding a center. Plus, love the city or not ... anybody coming into Nashville is going to need to love to play Laviolette's system. That's not always a given ... especially for a guy coming out of a Torts team. One big selling point for Carolina is going to be our open, inclusive locker room. If a different drummer kind of guy like Dougie can be embraced here, so can a guy like Duchene who's always been a bit of a free spirit. That and the low key media presence are HUGE pluses for the Canes for a guy who's wired a little differently like Duchene.

I'm not saying we're in there. I'm just not saying we're out either. And I only advocate making a big free agent move when you're one player away from being serious. Guess what? We might just be one player away from being pretty freaking good IF we can get a goalie.

I agree JB that if you look at the Canes as one solid, top flight center away then do what you must to find that player even if it means taking a big huge swing in free agency. What scares me is the fact that if a third liner in Hayes can find $7.15 million per in free agency what does a Duchene contract look like? I think Duchene is likely looking close to $10 million per season on a long term deal...as much as I dont think he is worth that, that seems to be current market value.
 
Duchene will ask and get $10-11 million. No need to even show up to talk if you don't have it to give.

Note that I'm NOT saying he deserves it ... whatever that even means. That's the market for the best offensive center in free agency ... same as it was for Tavares last summer. Tavares probably could have gotten more than $11 mil if he had managed to play the field a bit, but he got the offer he wanted and took it. Since the market defines value ... it is what it is. Hayes has nothing to do with it either. Everybody in the league knows his number is an outlier. Tavaras? That's the number that matters for this conversation.
 
Duchene will ask and get $10-11 million. No need to even show up to talk if you don't have it to give.

Note that I'm NOT saying he deserves it ... whatever that even means. That's the market for the best offensive center in free agency ... same as it was for Tavares last summer. Tavares probably could have gotten more than $11 mil if he had managed to play the field a bit, but he got the offer he wanted and took it. Since the market defines value ... it is what it is. Hayes has nothing to do with it either. Everybody in the league knows his number is an outlier. Tavaras? That's the number that matters for this conversation.

Let's just say Duchene gets $10 to $11 million per season from Nashville, that would immediately make Kyle Turris an expensive luxury third line center the Preds cannot really afford. So is a guy like Kyle Turris maybe a center the Canes have interest in if let's say the Preds would eat a bit of that salary? He's a bit expensive for what he brings with 5 years left and a $6 million cap hit per season.
 
Teams must submit qualifying offers to their RFAs by 5:00 tomorrow. Canes list is Aho, McGinn, Bishop, Maenalanen, Fleury, Carrick, McKeown, Wesley and Ned. If they’re not tendered, they become free agents. I can’t see them qualifying Wesley, maybe he can hook on with the Blues. The rest should.
 
Frank Seravelli (who was just elected as President of the PHWA), tweeted that Mike Smith has conducted his phone interviews with all interested teams. He thinks the Canes are a possibility.

Please. God. No.
 
You said 3rd line center.

Would he slot below Staal?

If so, he's not even on Waddells radar.

Turris? He'd be a replacement for Wallmark on the Canes ladder at center ... at best. The only interest there would be that he's quite good on the power play.
 
Frank Seravelli (who was just elected as President of the PHWA), tweeted that Mike Smith has conducted his phone interviews with all interested teams. He thinks the Canes are a possibility.

Please. God. No.

I mean ... I get that. Smith is erratic at best, but up until this season his overall numbers have always been pretty much league average or better. And he was very good for the Flames in the playoffs while the rest of the team fell apart. That said, he's as likely as not giving in to age and has always been a hothead. He's NOT my first choice, but he's a guy you at least talk to if you're in Carolina potential situation. I mean, it all depends on how you see Ned. If you see Ned as a year or so away, a guy Smith's age lets you sign a short term vey to bridge the gap. If not, then he's just a stop-gap or one part of a 1A/1B tandem.
 
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