The Fucking Offseason Thread - Why bother waiting?

[Deckie007]

Unless Pittsburgh put a condition in the trade that Dubas had to leave him unprotected then this appears to be a misstep.

Unless he knows Sea wants Kerfoot.

I feel like people are making this more difficult to understand than it is...Leafs essentially were exposing Kerfoot in any event and this just gives them a replacement in McCann or they get to keep Kerfoot. Cost was a decent prospect and 7th. Sounds good to me.

 

[trujaysfan]

Anyone unprotected we would be interested in?

 

[MindzEye]

Yeah but they needed 2 top 6 wingers this offseason anyway, so that doesn't change anything. And they also were going to lose a player in the expansion draft anyway.

Best case scenario they greatly upgraded Kerfoot. Worst case scenario they found a way to give up Hallandar in the expansion draft instead of Kerfoot or Dermott. Its really not that bad.

I feel like you continue to gloss over the fact that we added a really good player and are losing that player.

If you trade someone a Timex for a Rolex and then lose the Rolex the next day you still lost a Rolex, not a Timex. That you only had it for a day doesn't change the value of the thing you had at the time it became lost.

 

[MindzEye]

Kind of.

Fact is dubas made the trade knowing he would expose him.

I'm not sure that's helpful other than being another strike against the Nerd.

 

[Deckie007]

I'm not sure that's helpful other than being another strike against the Nerd.

so the issue is with the protection list then rather than the actual trade...

 

[zeke]

I'm not sure that's helpful other than being another strike against the Nerd.

Well, nobody else thought mccann was worth a B prospect.

 

[MindzEye]

so the issue is with the protection list then rather than the actual trade...

The issue is with the overall player evaluation while managing the expansion draft, yeah.

I mean, we bent Pittsburgh over for a good hockey player. A player nearly as good as a guy some people on here have suggested they're comfortable with trading Amirov or Rasmus for (Garland). That we're apparently not recognizing that and exposing him instead of Holl (which is the functional difference of going 4-4-1 instead of 7-3-1) is bad player evaluation imo.

 

[MindzEye]

Well, nobody else thought mccann was worth a B prospect.

Or was Pittsburgh overvaluing their old stuff again and don't consider Hallander a B prospect? Hard to say with them after the Kapanen deal.

 

[Deckie007]

The issue is with the overall player evaluation while managing the expansion draft, yeah.

I mean, we bent Pittsburgh over for a good hockey player. A player nearly as good as a guy some people on here have suggested they're comfortable with trading Amirov or Rasmus for (Garland). That we're apparently not recognizing that and exposing him instead of Holl (which is the functional difference of going 4-4-1 instead of 7-3-1) is bad player evaluation imo.

That's fair. I guess the nerd likes the idea of keeping 2/3 of Dermott, Kerfoot and McCann rather than Holl, Dermott, Kerfoot. I can see why, as Holl is a RHD, but yeah I'm not sure I do that myself.

 

[mbow30]

I feel like you continue to gloss over the fact that we added a really good player and are losing that player.

If you trade someone a Timex for a Rolex and then lose the Rolex the next day you still lost a Rolex, not a Timex. That you only had it for a day doesn't change the value of the thing you had at the time it became lost.

yeah, but we're talking about timex vs a fossil, not timex vs a rolex.

 

[MindzEye]

That's fair. I guess the nerd likes the idea of getting 2/3 of Dermott, Kerfoot and McCann rather than Holl, Dermott, Kerfoot. I can see why, as Holl is a RHD, but yeah I'm not sure I do that myself.

That's really what this comes down to. Do you risk losing your 4th best defender when you have the possibility of Dermott-Sandin-Lilly replacing him, or do you risk losing your 5th best forward when the current crop of potential replacements at LW are Engvall and Robertson, or 3C when it's the return of Kerfoot or a UFA.

I guess I just see McCann as a way bigger need than Holl with the composition of our lineup. I see forward depth as a way bigger weakness than defensive depth.

 

[MindzEye]

yeah, but we're talking about timex vs a fossil, not timex vs a rolex.

I think you're undervaluing McCann then. I didn't say Patek or Vacheron. McCann is really good. Similar in overall impact to Hyman if we use him on the wing. Huge upgrade on Kerfoot if we use him at 3C.

 

[mbow30]

i'm not a big holl fan but it is true that there's a scarcity of rhd and he has shouldered some really heavy minutes.

and maybe (like somebody said) there's more to this than we know right now, and there's something in it for the leafs in sacrificing mccann.

 

[mbow30]

I think you're undervaluing McCann then. I didn't say Patek or Vacheron. McCann is really good. Similar in overall impact to Hyman if we use him on the wing. Huge upgrade on Kerfoot if we use him at 3C.

lol

hyman's no rolex.

 

[zeke]

Or was Pittsburgh overvaluing their old stuff again and don't consider Hallander a B prospect? Hard to say with them after the Kapanen deal.

Well they clearly don't think McCann is anywhere near as good as Kapanen then.

 

[mbow30]

to be honest, i think i'm just a frustrated that we'll see kerfoot back next year. he isn't money well spent on this team.

 

[LeafGm]

to be honest, i think i'm just a frustrated that we'll see kerfoot back next year. he isn't money well spent on this team.

Agreed. I’m fine with the decision to protect Holl. For the first time in I don’t even know how long, I was happy with the right side of our defense last year.

I also have no confidence in Travis Dermott’s ability to both play on his off-side and step into the top-4. And you’d have to be nuts to pencil Liljegren into that role next season either.

But if we coughed up a decent prospect because Dubas wants to keep Kerfoot around, that’s a pretty depressing thought. He’s a poor use of cap space, a bad third line center and a mediocre at best winger on either of the top-2 lines.

 

[zeke]

For all the hate on the playoffs chokers, kerfoot gets precious little praise for showing up.


That being said - Seattle is the only team that would have to pay his signing bonus back to us. For any other team he's only $1.9m in real money each of the next 2yrs.

 

[LeafOfFaith]

The issue is with the overall player evaluation while managing the expansion draft, yeah.

I mean, we bent Pittsburgh over for a good hockey player. A player nearly as good as a guy some people on here have suggested they're comfortable with trading Amirov or Rasmus for (Garland). That we're apparently not recognizing that and exposing him instead of Holl (which is the functional difference of going 4-4-1 instead of 7-3-1) is bad player evaluation imo.

A player whose inferior facsimile we traded Kadri to get. So now we got a better version for a B prospect and a 7th, and we should be okay losing that player for nothing instead of a D we can and should be replacing internally?

And if it’s Holl’s contract and RHDness that we love, we should’ve traded Muzz and his LHDness for a great return and protected Holl, McCann and Kerf.

 

[MindzEye]

lol

hyman's no rolex.

Maybe we have a slightly different perception of where Rolex sits in the pantheon of watches?

But fine, Tudor, Oris, Baume and Mercier? Solid Swiss quality that won't break the bank.