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OT: Health and Nutrition

Preston said:
Over consumption of the product is associated with more adverse health risks than almost every other cooking fat. To me that's comparatively unhealthy as fuck. I'm not saying it's unhealthy in moderation, to be clear. And I'm not even saying there's an enormous difference between other cooking fats. But it's one of the least healthy ones.
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It's fun to be contrarian! Especially on issues of nutrition which get people excited on both sides of the argument!

If you want to argue that olive oil is "healthier" than butter, you will probably get away with it. As for the other oils, I am not ready to agree that canola oil is "healthier" than grass-fed butter. Especially if you're talking about oil in restaurants that is heated and cooled repeatedly.

Just be aware that the # of calories consumed is BY FAR the biggest contributor to negative health outcomes, rather than the foods themselves, especially when eaten in moderation. Also there seems to be some data that suggests that 70-80% of cholesterol in the body is made by the liver, whereas 20-30% comes from eating saturated fat. This may be disputed by some analysts!

Stop demonizing butter! it's quite likely just fine in moderation, which is the same thing one might say about vegetable oils!
 
axlsalinger said:
It's fun to be contrarian! Especially on issues of nutrition which get people excited on both sides of the argument!

If you want to argue that olive oil is "healthier" than butter, you will probably get away with it. As for the other oils, I am not ready to agree that canola oil is "healthier" than grass-fed butter. Especially if you're talking about oil in restaurants that is heated and cooled repeatedly.

Just be aware that the # of calories consumed is BY FAR the biggest contributor to negative health outcomes, rather than the foods themselves, especially when eaten in moderation. Also there seems to be some data that suggests that 70-80% of cholesterol in the body is made by the liver, whereas 20-30% comes from eating saturated fat. This may be disputed by some analysts!

Stop demonizing butter! it's quite likely just fine in moderation, which is the same thing one might say about vegetable oils!
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I mean the data is the data. It's not really being a contrarian to data. Just a contrarian to social media narratives, which I agree is fun.
 
Preston said:
I mean the data is the data. It's not really being a contrarian to data. Just a contrarian to social media narratives, which I agree is fun.
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with our canadian dairy cartel, I am nearly certain that they have funded some peer-reviewed studies that show how healthy butter is...
 
axlsalinger said:
You are not honestly sticking to cold hard data when referring to butter as "unhealthy as fuck".
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Which it is in excess, like all cooking fats. And it's either equivalent to or slightly worse than most other cooking fats at identical consumption. So I coined that unhealthy as fuck which could be debated all day on whether that was fair or not!
 
Wayward DP said:
with our canadian dairy cartel, I am nearly certain that they have funded some peer-reviewed studies that show how healthy butter is...
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Animal studies or lab studies are often referenced to outline huge butter benefits and scary health outcomes related to seed oils. Many far superior real world studies with actual humans are out there, none have shown butter to be superior. But those are ignored by the social media bros who think everything from an animal = multivitamin that gives you muscles.

But yes, relax everyone, I am aware that everything is fine and many things healthy, in moderation.
 
Wayward DP said:
dr. presto went to the same medical school as jay bhattacharya
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Fwiw I am on the side of scientific consensus, not contrarian. Just because the social media maga freaks are louder, it doesn't make it the consensus opinion. I choose consensus because I'm not an actual doctor. I just play one on the internet.
 
Before I really dove into the olive oil habit, I read a bunch about the calories. This tiny teaspoon carries a zillion calories, and stuff like that. I totally ignored it. My lunch salad has - and I'm not kidding - probably 30 teaspoons in it. They hold the bottle over the salad and ask me to tell them when to stop. I let them put a lot on. And then I have some more (but not nearly that amount) at dinner. And it hasn't made any difference in my weight. It probably has helped in the ole crap department, but not in any dramatic way.

It really is kind of a magic food. And I guarantee that if I had anywhere near as much butter as I do evoo, I would've packed on the pounds big time.
 
I'm a big believer in just don't get fat and you'll be fine without stressing about every microscopic health benefit or detriment that a certain component may have of a item that will make zero difference in how you feel. If you can eat a stick of butter a day and not get fat, then keep doing it.

Basically the only thing we've been able to tell without any question from all of these real world studies on food and consumption, etc is that being fat is bad. And will lead to bad things. Nearly everything else is up for debate.. likely meaning it's all mostly negligible stuff that tends to get amplified by people who want your money. Be skinny and at least moderately active and you'll set yourself up for a long life barring things out of your control.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Before I really dove into the olive oil habit, I read a bunch about the calories. This tiny teaspoon carries a zillion calories, and stuff like that. I totally ignored it. My lunch salad has - and I'm not kidding - probably 30 teaspoons in it. They hold the bottle over the salad and ask me to tell them when to stop. I let them put a lot on. And then I have some more (but not nearly that amount) at dinner. And it hasn't made any difference in my weight. It probably has helped in the ole crap department, but not in any dramatic way.

It really is kind of a magic food. And I guarantee that if I had anywhere near as much butter as I do evoo, I would've packed on the pounds big time.
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eh your eating habits may not be as healthy as you think. everything in moderation! especially fatty oily stuff.
 
Preston said:
I'm a big believer in just don't get fat and you'll be fine without stressing about every microscopic health benefit or detriment that a certain component may have of a item that will make zero difference in how you feel. If you can eat a stick of butter a day and not get fat, then keep doing it.

Basically the only thing we've been able to tell without any question from all of these real world studies on food and consumption, etc is that being fat is bad. And will lead to bad things. Nearly everything else is up for debate.. likely meaning it's all mostly negligible stuff that tends to get amplified by people who want your money. Be skinny and at least moderately active and you'll set yourself up for a long life barring things out of your control.
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I mean I'm generally inclined to agree but recall there being a peer-reviewed study released I wanna say last year that refuted this.

the study I think concluded that adiposity in the waist area is the biggest risk factor. so if you're skinny with a spare tire, beware, kinda thing.

but I also agree we should defer to the actual scientists, which I most definitely am not
 
Wayward DP said:
eh your eating habits may not be as healthy as you think. everything in moderation! especially fatty oily stuff.
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I also eat salads for lunches pretty steadily from like March - August (when we can get local greens), but my dressing is just avocado oil, lemon juice, salt, and pepper. 2 tbsp of avo oil / serving.

30 tsp is 10 tbsp...
 
I actually moved away from olive oil cause it overpowers everything in the salad, funnily enough. and I get the pretty good shit from Costco, too!
 
Wayward DP said:
I mean I'm generally inclined to agree but recall there being a peer-reviewed study released I wanna say last year that refuted this.

the study I think concluded that adiposity in the waist area is the biggest risk factor. so if you're skinny with a spare tire, beware, kinda thing.

but I also agree we should defer to the actual scientists, which I most definitely am not
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I've read that too but I'd still call that being fat! Could be a genetic component too which as I said is out of your control. But generally diet can fix that stuff.
 
Preston said:
I'm a big believer in just don't get fat and you'll be fine without stressing about every microscopic health benefit or detriment that a certain component may have of a item that will make zero difference in how you feel. If you can eat a stick of butter a day and not get fat, then keep doing it.

Basically the only thing we've been able to tell without any question from all of these real world studies on food and consumption, etc is that being fat is bad. And will lead to bad things. Nearly everything else is up for debate.. likely meaning it's all mostly negligible stuff that tends to get amplified by people who want your money. Be skinny and at least moderately active and you'll set yourself up for a long life barring things out of your control.
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Yeah, and everyone's body is different and you just need to be mindful of what certain foods and habits do to you.

For instance, when I was in London a couple years ago, I had free breakfast included at the hotel, so of course I'd go down there every day and I'd have an omelet made. It was pretty filling, oftentimes I could taste the butter in it, and only on the last day of my two week trip, did I find out it was a THREE egg omelet that I was eating every day, when normally I wouldn't even eat like three or four eggs in a week. I was shocked but quickly forgot about it.

When I got back home, soon after, I had my annual physical and they did the usual blood tests. The results came back and my cholesterol was THROUGH THE ROOF. Maybe I'll post the picture of the graph later, where it was normal right in the middle of the range, and then after that trip it was basically going off the graph since it was so high. I immediately blamed the eggs, so when I did then eat eggs (most days), I would only eat the white and not the yolk. I went back for another test a couple of months later and...completely back to normal.

I know yolks fuck me up, I know bread makes me fatter in the susceptible areas, I know rice only has a fraction of the impact that bread has, and I know olive oil doesn't really add anything. You kinda just have to keep track of things with yourself and turn dials up and down as needed. And don't add junk to the diet that is unhealthy as fuck according to most experts.
 
Wayward DP said:
I actually moved away from olive oil cause it overpowers everything in the salad, funnily enough. and I get the pretty good shit from Costco, too!
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It's probably bad shit, or just one with a bad taste. I was using a lesser one and the taste was much more noticeable and bitter. I switched it out for something more high grade and it's great, you can only taste a tinge of it.
 
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