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The Official Post-Bitch 2025-26 Regular Season Thread

Preston said:
When you have the same organizations in the basement forever and the same organizations at the top forever, it's clear that some organizations are playing a different game than the others. This is the first year where you have some new teams in there, and the Habs are an example that supports my argument. Get a little data-centric and you'll have a quick turnaround. These teams that have been rebuilding for a decade are just dumb. Just like what the Leafs just turned into in just a couple years post-Dubas.
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Data centric has nothing to do with a quick turnaround

Regimes simply kick the can down the road and make one mistake after another

They draft and develop poorly and make shitty asset management decisions

Half your success is common sense not a spreadsheet tabs

Habs are in the playoffs because of a ruthless regime who stuck with a rebuild no shortcuts or patch jobs.

Ther was no desperate moves like the Oilers made or pick up a plug because AI said is good.
 
Preston said:
Listening to a charismatic guy talk that has fooled many execs into hiring him does not equal watching him manage a team and run a trade deadline. I cannot go along with this.

But in any case, even if you feel this way, that's still a failure on Pelley for not getting this information sooner. I don't disagree with that. He should have figured out sooner that the general manager is not even suitable to manage a Wendy's. I just genuinely believe that he figured this out for the first time after watching him work. He wouldn't say this otherwise, because it truly makes him look dumb and incompetent for taking this long to realize it.
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yep...that's my point... "hoping for the best" is not a good management strategy....Rogers should have fired Pelley
 
LeafGm said:
Not accusing you of spinning everything positively. I’m well aware you also had Treliving pegged as a dummy from day one.

But your weakness for nerds (or people who cosplay convincingly as nerds) is going to lead you to a helluva a lot of spinning and cope when it comes to this current regime, I feel.

And “maybe my nerdbro does in fact realize Brooby sucks, but he’s just keeping him around as a sacrificial lamb” is some Grade-A day-1 cope, my friend.
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I think i've laid out his actual moves as GM in far more detail than any of the media analysts have (or you have). And it's funny how the nerds negative analyses of his moves back in 2020 all look fairly dumb in hindsight as they've proven to actually be very good moves on the data.

I think his actual moves pretty clearly show a team building philosophy that both you and i should like.

And i absolutely believe that the arizona situation was an impossible one, and I'm not surprised at all that both the team and the individual players instantly all became better the moment they got out of arizona (whether that was moving to Utah or guys getting traded away like OEL and Chychrun).
 
GEEMAN said:
Data centric has nothing to do with a quick turnaround

Regimes simply kick the can down the road and make one mistake after another

They draft and develop poorly and make shitty asset management decisions

Half your success is common sense not a spreadsheet tabs

Habs are in the playoffs because of a ruthless regime who stuck with a rebuild no shortcuts or patch jobs.

Ther was no desperate moves like the Oilers made or pick up a plug because AI said is good.
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hate to break it to you but the habs moves under new guy absolutely reek of good data analysis.
 
CH1 said:
yep...that's my point... "hoping for the best" is not a good management strategy....Rogers should have fired Pelley
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pelley wasn't brought in to make hockey decisions. the team had been elite for years. the whole org was geeked that they had respected guys like treliving and berube in charge.

his first year in charge the leafs finished in 1st place! why was pelley going to meddle in that?

the fact that he stepped in and fired him midseason after a 1st place finish the year before is actually a really quick hook!
 
zeke said:
pelley wasn't brought in to make hockey decisions. the team had been elite for years. the whole org was geeked that they had respected guys like treliving and berube in charge.

his first year in charge the leafs finished in 1st place! why was pelley going to meddle in that?

the fact that he stepped in and fired him midseason after a 1st place finish the year before is actually a really quick hook!
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counterpoint: once you fired Shanahan, you needed a replacement, or a decent amount of stepping in (aka meddling)
 
CH1 said:
counterpoint: once you fired Shanahan, you needed a replacement, or a decent amount of stepping in (aka meddling)
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iirc from his first presser it sounded like Pelley and the org thought treliving and berube were both worthy of more than just GM and Coach labels and that their amplified roles would make a hand-on hockey-ops prez unnecessary.
 
zeke said:
hate to break it to you but the habs moves under new guy absolutely reek of good data analysis.
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Good smart common sense decisions based on everything including data

You can take all the data you want if it doesnt align with your objectives its pointless

Hughes simply puts a value on everything and sticks to the plan
 
GEEMAN said:
Good smart common sense decisions based on everything including data

You can take all the data you want if it doesnt align with your objectives its pointless

Hughes simply puts a value on everything and sticks to the plan
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thank you for agreeing.
 
zeke said:
he just wasn't hired to meddle with an elite team that finished 1st in his first year.
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the numbers said they weren't elite... Pelley would have needed 10 mins on forumice to figure that out. Pelley is literally being paid millions to stress about Leafs and Raptors during every waking moment of his life

Leafs also lost Marner for nothing -- that itself merits a look under the hood
 
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