zeke
Well-known member
Time is a closed circle:
[video=youtube;SMHTZTtdRvE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMHTZTtdRvE&feature=share[/video]
p.s. if you didn't watch this video......well, watch it.
OT: American Politics
- Thread starter MindzEye
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p.s. if you didn't watch this video......well, watch it.
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
But how are the Democrats also to blame for this?
leafman101
Well-known member
I guess the Dems are being hard headed but at least that actually what their constituents want.
leafman101
Well-known member
Just trade him the wall for universal health care and sensible gun laws if he wants it so bad.
Habsy
Yes, I'm kidding people.
Except he’s asking for 5 not 50.
Habsy
Yes, I'm kidding people.
The irony here is this is what Trump’s constituents want. The reasonable people are the ones that pay.
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
And he cant build a wall for 5....which means he comes back later demanding more money to finish building the wall that you've already paid 5 for.
I cant believe an experienced business man like you is falling for this basic ass grift.
The cost of the wall is 50, not 5, you're either falling for his game or going along with it.
Habsy
Yes, I'm kidding people.
Politics is grift. Who you kidding man?
You have two sides with constituents backing each philosophy. One side says zero the other 5. Trump agrees to take less, Pelosi still says zero.
Just because you fall on the side of **** Trump doesn’t mean others shouldn’t be heard. Your attitude is precisely what’s wrong with politics today, your opinion is the right opinion and there won’t be compromise. Previous generations found a way to compromise, it’s how democracy works. Trump’s and Pelosi’s attitude are not the way to get things done but that applies to all the recent leadership now doesn’t it? McConnell, Reid, Boehner, Schumer etc.
You can sit there and point your finger all you want, this is where Washington was heading and they’re all to blame. Period.
You have two sides with constituents backing each philosophy. One side says zero the other 5. Trump agrees to take less, Pelosi still says zero.
Just because you fall on the side of **** Trump doesn’t mean others shouldn’t be heard. Your attitude is precisely what’s wrong with politics today, your opinion is the right opinion and there won’t be compromise. Previous generations found a way to compromise, it’s how democracy works. Trump’s and Pelosi’s attitude are not the way to get things done but that applies to all the recent leadership now doesn’t it? McConnell, Reid, Boehner, Schumer etc.
You can sit there and point your finger all you want, this is where Washington was heading and they’re all to blame. Period.
CH1
The Artist Formerly Known as chiggins.
Dems aren't saying zero. They will allocate serious money for real border security. Lots of the GOP congress agrees with them. Trump is about the only one with a wall (personal monument) fetish.
Time is a closed circle:
[video=youtube;SMHTZTtdRvE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMHTZTtdRvE&feature=share[/video]
That's phenomenal.
axlsalinger
Well-known member
That's amazing. Would be perfect if the sheriff's name was Mueller.
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
There's levels to this shit. You're falling for the easy shit apparently, and blaming the Democrats for it somehow.
So we're not even going to bother looking at the veracity of the claims made on either side? Trump wants nuclear war, Pelosi wants no nuclear war, so compromise is the only way and we just have small nuclear war? C'mon man.
This issue is pure stupidity. A wall is a complete waste of money that doesn't address the issue, full stop. It's bad policy, why throw money at it, why compromise on it?
**** me you're stupid sometimes. At no point have I suggested that the other side shouldn't be heard. They should be heard right up until the point they start digging in their heels and demanding nonsense solutions to real problems. The wall is a nonsense solution to a complex problem. So why spend the money? What is the pro argument for the wall beyond "some people want it"?
Oh, ****ing spare me. Yeah, my opinion that policy should be rooted in some semblance in reality is clearly the problem, not that there are 10's of millions of people who are falling all over themselves to demand billions be spent on revenge fantasy because they get cranky every time they walk by someone speaking in spanish in 'Murica.
Compromise is essential when there are two serious ideas on the table, with a difference in opinion or ideology involved. This is not one of those situations.
No compromise on a wall? No, of course not. Again, doing something really stupid just to make idiots feel good about themselves is bad, full stop. You want compromise? Identify the problem (immigration reform), put forward real solutions to the problem, fund it as necessary. Compromise. You've completely fallen (I'm going to go with "willingly") for the horseshit language and false dichotomy being put forward by the right on this one. The positions aren't "wall" and "no wall". It's "wall" or "rational solution for the southern border".
Compromise with loons and tell me how that works out for you. Something tells me that you don't compromise with people who have nonsense ideas in your personal life. If the Republicans were advancing a rational solution for the southern border, something tells me that your country wouldn't be dealing with this. The thing telling me this is Democrats repeatedly voting for increased spending on the southern border to manage illegal immigration.
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
The message has always been "nothing for a wall, but money for southern border enforcement".
And that's what it should be. The wall is a complete horseshit solution to a real problem, it's worse than doing nothing, because it diverts necessary funds from real potential solutions, into a fantasy solution.