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Luke on Gleason

He's probably way more valuable to the team as an "assistant" or whatever his title is now, than he will ever be on the ice again.
 
Umm... if you have solid veteran leadership, you don't need that. Know what I mean, Vern?
 
Hey, if he's helping the product on the ice I pay for I'm all for it -- Go Gleason. As much as I liked Wesley and Stillman as players, I haven't heard word one about what they actually have done as Director of Whatever Development.
 
The Hurricanes' defense is becoming one of the best in the league-- among the best with controlled entries and exits from the d-zone, controling the neutral zone and terrific in puck possession and in regaining the puck when lost. I believe Peters, Smith and now with Gleason to help guide these guys we really are trending in the right direction.
 
Certainly no harm in having and NHL vet DMan around to work with the younger DMen.

One thing that worries me a little bit about the Hanifin, Slavin, Pesce young nucleus is none of them have any experience with how much different playoff hockey is from the regular season. They are unlikely to learn that this year playing for the Canes and its going to be somewhat difficult to get them that experience with Charlotte without some maneuvers to get them eligible to play for the Checkers come playoff time (Charlotte is well on their way to the playoffs this year so far).

I understand that the NHL isn't quite the physical league it was even just a couple years ago, but these kids rarely bang bodies at all. They are all going to need to learn some level of physical play at some point here for this team to be successful. I'm not talking about them all skating around and slamming into people all the time, but they do need to be able to play that game come playoff time or we are going to get overwhelmed physically once this team does make the playoffs again. This is part of the game that young DMen develop over time as they get stronger and more experienced. I'm hoping that Gleason might be able to teach some of them the finer points of the physical game. They will need this ability as their careers advance. This is also why at some point here I'm hoping to see at least a little dose of Trevor Carrick with the Canes this season. He's not afraid to play physical. Right now only Ron Hainsey is really out there taking the body. Faulk does it some of the time. Liles is just too small to be much of a physical presence. IF Wiz was playing he would also be contributing to a more physical blueline.

The quick transitions, sound positioning, skating ability, etc. that Hanifin, Pesce and Slavin demonstrate is all critically important and a big part of the reason why these kids are succeeding. But they all need to grow into those big bodies and not be afraid to use them to bang around and outmuscle opponents in the corners and the front of the net when the situation calls for it. If Tim Gleason can help them at all in this area it would be most welcome. Certainly Steve Smith has knowledge to draw from as well.
 
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SlapShots said:
It sounds like Gleason is doing what I thought Glenn Wesley was supposed to be doing.
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No. Glen Wesley is supposed to be working with the young D in the lower levels of the Canes system. At least according to his job description that's what he's supposed to be doing.

Gleas sounds like he's mostly hanging around the kids when they're in Raleigh trying to help them cope with the grind.
 
cmaleski2 said:
Certainly no harm in having and NHL vet DMan around to work with the younger DMen.

One thing that worries me a little bit about the Hanifin, Slavin, Pesce young nucleus is none of them have any experience with how much different playoff hockey is from the regular season. They are unlikely to learn that this year playing for the Canes and its going to be somewhat difficult to get them that experience with Charlotte without some maneuvers to get them eligible to play for the Checkers come playoff time (Charlotte is well on their way to the playoffs this year so far).

I understand that the NHL isn't quite the physical league it was even just a couple years ago, but these kids rarely bang bodies at all. They are all going to need to learn some level of physical play at some point here for this team to be successful. I'm not talking about them all skating around and slamming into people all the time, but they do need to be able to play that game come playoff time or we are going to get overwhelmed physically once this team does make the playoffs again. This is part of the game that young DMen develop over time as they get stronger and more experienced. I'm hoping that Gleason might be able to teach some of them the finer points of the physical game. They will need this ability as their careers advance. This is also why at some point here I'm hoping to see at least a little dose of Trevor Carrick with the Canes this season. He's not afraid to play physical. Right now only Ron Hainsey is really out there taking the body. Faulk does it some of the time. Liles is just too small to be much of a physical presence. IF Wiz was playing he would also be contributing to a more physical blueline.

The quick transitions, sound positioning, skating ability, etc. that Hanifin, Pesce and Slavin demonstrate is all critically important and a big part of the reason why these kids are succeeding. But they all need to grow into those big bodies and not be afraid to use them to bang around and outmuscle opponents in the corners and the front of the net when the situation calls for it. If Tim Gleason can help them at all in this area it would be most welcome. Certainly Steve Smith has knowledge to draw from as well.
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I would say if next season we are sniffing at a p-off spot or in the p-offs, you consider bringing in a vet for that reason.
 
I think the NHL playoff experience thing can only be learned by playing in NHL playoffs. Every Stanley Cup winning team dating back to the Canes took their lumps in the playoffs the previous season or two. The 05-06 Canes are the rare exception that went into the playoffs without any real playoff experience the prior couple of years. This was more exception than rule as it was a weird time coming off the lockout and all the rule changes. The Canes were also loaded with lots of great veteran leadership.

If Francis continues his long term plan, these guys will get a shot at the playoffs in the next 2 years or so. The really great news is they should then continue to get shots in the playoffs to build on the experience in the years after.
 
cmaleski2 said:
Certainly no harm in having and NHL vet DMan around to work with the younger DMen.

One thing that worries me a little bit about the Hanifin, Slavin, Pesce young nucleus is none of them have any experience with how much different playoff hockey is from the regular season. They are unlikely to learn that this year playing for the Canes and its going to be somewhat difficult to get them that experience with Charlotte without some maneuvers to get them eligible to play for the Checkers come playoff time (Charlotte is well on their way to the playoffs this year so far).

I understand that the NHL isn't quite the physical league it was even just a couple years ago, but these kids rarely bang bodies at all. They are all going to need to learn some level of physical play at some point here for this team to be successful. I'm not talking about them all skating around and slamming into people all the time, but they do need to be able to play that game come playoff time or we are going to get overwhelmed physically once this team does make the playoffs again. This is part of the game that young DMen develop over time as they get stronger and more experienced. I'm hoping that Gleason might be able to teach some of them the finer points of the physical game. They will need this ability as their careers advance. This is also why at some point here I'm hoping to see at least a little dose of Trevor Carrick with the Canes this season. He's not afraid to play physical. Right now only Ron Hainsey is really out there taking the body. Faulk does it some of the time. Liles is just too small to be much of a physical presence. IF Wiz was playing he would also be contributing to a more physical blueline.

The quick transitions, sound positioning, skating ability, etc. that Hanifin, Pesce and Slavin demonstrate is all critically important and a big part of the reason why these kids are succeeding. But they all need to grow into those big bodies and not be afraid to use them to bang around and outmuscle opponents in the corners and the front of the net when the situation calls for it. If Tim Gleason can help them at all in this area it would be most welcome. Certainly Steve Smith has knowledge to draw from as well.
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A long run through the playoffs towards a Calder Cup would be great for guys like Slavin and Pesce and make Charlotte that much stronger so that makes a lot of sense if the Canes are golfing early yet again. Not sure what the rules are for being eligible to play in the AHL playoffs based on games played...do you know CMal?
 
CarolinaPen said:
I think the NHL playoff experience thing can only be learned by playing in NHL playoffs. Every Stanley Cup winning team dating back to the Canes took their lumps in the playoffs the previous season or two. The 05-06 Canes are the rare exception that went into the playoffs without any real playoff experience the prior couple of years. This was more exception than rule as it was a weird time coming off the lockout and all the rule changes. The Canes were also loaded with lots of great veteran leadership.

If Francis continues his long term plan, these guys will get a shot at the playoffs in the next 2 years or so. The really great news is they should then continue to get shots in the playoffs to build on the experience in the years after.
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The 05-06 Canes had 9 guys left that had lost the 2002 Finals to Detroit; Brindy, Cole, Hedican, A. Ward, K. Adams, C. Adams, Wesley, Vasicek and Wallin. All but C. Adams (1 game) and Wesley (22) played all 23 playoff games that year. Also keep in mind that the first 2 opponents in the 2006 playoffs were the same teams they played in the 2002 playoffs.
 
Not sure what the rules are for being eligible to play in the AHL playoffs based on games played...do you know CMal?
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I think I do. Not sure the exact date, but the AHL will set a 'clear day'. Essentially by a specific time on that date, a player will have to be on the AHL roster to be eligible to play for that team in the playoffs, except for draft picks playing in juniors. After that 'clear day', you are allowed a limit of 4 non-emergency NHL callups from the AHL.

The placement of players on an AHL roster for 'clear day' is a paper transaction. So if they want to, the Canes could assign Pesce, Slavin, Hanifin and DiGuiseppe to Charlotte right before the clear day deadline and then recall all of them right after. But if they do that they would not be able to recall anyone else from Charlotte unless it was an emergency callup.

At least I believe that is how it works....
 
cmaleski2 said:
I think I do. Not sure the exact date, but the AHL will set a 'clear day'. Essentially by a specific time on that date, a player will have to be on the AHL roster to be eligible to play for that team in the playoffs, except for draft picks playing in juniors. After that 'clear day', you are allowed a limit of 4 non-emergency NHL callups from the AHL.

The placement of players on an AHL roster for 'clear day' is a paper transaction. So if they want to, the Canes could assign Pesce, Slavin, Hanifin and DiGuiseppe to Charlotte right before the clear day deadline and then recall all of them right after. But if they do that they would not be able to recall anyone else from Charlotte unless it was an emergency callup.

At least I believe that is how it works....
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I thought "clear day" was eliminated 2 years ago?
 
This link seems to indicate that there are no more rules and you can send players down to the AHL (NHL waivers rules still applicable although I believe waivers are no longer in effect the day after the last day of the regular season) and recall them however you want and it won't matter at all if/when they were on the AHL roster.

http://www.si.com/nhl/home-ice/2013...ahl-roster-hurdle-from-nhl-trade-deadline-day

If that is the actual case now and is still applicable, then the Canes could assign all of their waiver exempt players to Charlotte right before the AHL playoffs begin (or right after the NHL season ends, there is at least a week of extra AHL regular season games). That would make life a lot easier. I thought I read something to the contrary on this topic last season, but it appears I was wrong.
 
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Although I see multiple references about the Clear Day rule being eliminated for the AHL, maybe as far back as the '12-'13 season, there does seem to be a NHL rule that is applicable.

Can't find a clear reference, but I'm seeing something about a NHL team only being able to post-trade-deadline send down players to the AHL that they have called up from the AHL since the trade deadline.

If so, still might be necessary to perform some paper transactions, before and after the deadline, which also seems to be allowed.
 
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