Also I think the days on NHL offering real long real bad contracts is over most deals will be 5 years or under so it wouldn't hurt to bad if you ended up with a bad contract. And if so you would have to move it at - value
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Also I think the days on NHL offering real long real bad contracts is over most deals will be 5 years or under so it wouldn't hurt to bad if you ended up with a bad contract. And if so you would have to move it at - value
Buyouts would just cause a lot more work/confusion/tracking than necessary imo. Especially as a punishment for having a bad contract that you had absolutely no control over.
For instance... in the other league I have Matt Beleskey. Lets assume he's a useful player... all of a sudden Boston gives him a ridiculous contract. Nobody thinks he's worth almost $4M a year... especially me. So now all of a sudden I am forced to pay almost $4M for a player that isn't worth nearly that. That sucks for me. Or I pay a buyout penalty to get rid of a player that was useful to me. So I'm being punished twice for something that had nothing to do with me whatsoever.
Bad contracts will screw owners... but we don't need to compound this.
Again... if we were doing an auction system where we are ultimately deciding to give out the contracts, then I think we'd have to have buyouts as a deterrent to overpaying with no consequence.
For instance... in the other league I have Matt Beleskey. Lets assume he's a useful player... all of a sudden Boston gives him a ridiculous contract. Nobody thinks he's worth almost $4M a year... especially me. So now all of a sudden I am forced to pay almost $4M for a player that isn't worth nearly that. That sucks for me. Or I pay a buyout penalty to get rid of a player that was useful to me. So I'm being punished twice for something that had nothing to do with me whatsoever.
Bad contracts will screw owners... but we don't need to compound this.
Again... if we were doing an auction system where we are ultimately deciding to give out the contracts, then I think we'd have to have buyouts as a deterrent to overpaying with no consequence.
You've made some good points with contract being out of our control. I would still think that our most realistic approach is to stick with buy outs. Almost every team in the NHL has bad contracts that's all part of being a gm. I would like to make this pool as close as we can to real NHL front office struggles. I would look at doing one buy out per year (no penalty) and a second (with penalty). Also I would volunteer to keep track and submit cap penalties to the Commish at the start of every year. Either way I cool with whatever the pool decides to go with just would prefer this route.
Man that would just kill any sort of movement though. Most teams in the league probably make 20+ adds and drops in a season. That means you'd have to buy out like 20 or more players? And keeping track of all that? Talk about a nightmare.
I could maybe get behind something like... if a player's cap hit is over $4M you need to buy him out.
10% for the 1st buyout
20% for the 2nd
30% for the 3rd
and so on?
10% for the 1st buyout
20% for the 2nd
30% for the 3rd
and so on?
Never really looked at that side of it. I try and be aggressive in offseason and stand pat during year unless I really like someone or something big changes. Other owners would rather make a lot of moves during the year. We may have to just get away from buy outs all together. I try and build through draft and trades but others like draft and free agency/waiver.
leafman101
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Yeah I agree with Ray's issues with buyouts. It would restrict movement on fringe players, take certain players that still have some value completely out of the league. Also we'd be punished for mistakes real life GM's make. There would have to be some kind of grace period where you can release a player that signed a new contract without penalty.
From a practical standpoint though, I just think it would be a lot to track. The cap is easy because it matches the NHL. But with the activity in our leagues there would be a lot of buyouts, and a lot of dead money, for a lot of years. Not even just big contracts, but just dumping depth players in season. For example if you have an injury in season, and pick up a replacement player that might have a 2-3 year deal, when your player comes off IR you'll have to buyout the replacement and take a cap hit for a handful of years. Every single time a player is injured. There would have to be a minimum salary as Ray suggested as well just to avoid the paperwork.
From a practical standpoint though, I just think it would be a lot to track. The cap is easy because it matches the NHL. But with the activity in our leagues there would be a lot of buyouts, and a lot of dead money, for a lot of years. Not even just big contracts, but just dumping depth players in season. For example if you have an injury in season, and pick up a replacement player that might have a 2-3 year deal, when your player comes off IR you'll have to buyout the replacement and take a cap hit for a handful of years. Every single time a player is injured. There would have to be a minimum salary as Ray suggested as well just to avoid the paperwork.
Just a few questions.
1. Have we determined draft orders and if not how are we handling that.
2.not 100% sure when arbitration will be done I think this week but should we wait until that is done to determine all players salaries or is everyone comfortable moving forward with the draft. (I'm ok with starting draft now is just an issue that could come up ).
1. Have we determined draft orders and if not how are we handling that.
2.not 100% sure when arbitration will be done I think this week but should we wait until that is done to determine all players salaries or is everyone comfortable moving forward with the draft. (I'm ok with starting draft now is just an issue that could come up ).
1. Not yet. We need to finalize the teams first. Then we'll probably just let Fantrax pick the order randomly. Unless people would rather use http://draftpicklottery.com/
2. Arbitration is something we might want to wait on.
Would be nice to get some more opinions on these issues. I would be fine either way.
Would be nice to get some more opinions on these issues. I would be fine either way.
Right now we've settled on 20% more than the NHL. Maybe we could go to 25% if we only have 14 teams.
25% would be 88'750'000. Based off an NHL cap of 71mil witch I think it is. 20% is 85'200'000
If in fact it's 71mil
Yeah, just set it to "show 100 per page." Then look through the first 3 pages.
I agree. At first I was all for buy out only because I wanted to make it as realistic as possible. After some of the negatives were brought up I have no interest in buy outs
Sweet... glad everyone is on board with that.
By all means... trading is always welcome.