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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

heh.. who was traded for cabrera and how old is he?

I believe Cabrera was 24 when he was dealt to the Tigers

for studs, Andrew Miller and Cameron Maybin, both ridiculously touted.

Earlier this year Miller was dealt to Boston for cock soup, and last week Maybin was dealt to San Diego for relievers.

At the time, analysts called it a great deal for the marlins.

The only stud here is Cabrera, just like the only stud in our situation is Upton
 
Right-field OPS by Decade (OPS+ listed in brackets)

1950s: .783 (109)
1960s: .773 (116)
1970s: .761 (112)
1980s: .762 (110)
1990s: .797 (110)
2000s: .811 (110)

Average OPS by decade: .781 (111)

At the very minimum Upton is an average bat at his position, who posted at the very minimum average numbers for his position last season, in a down year, in which he battled a shoulder injury, at an age in which almost every player his age is in the minor-leagues. And if we recapture his 2009 season in which he was comfortably above-average as a hitter and healthy for the most part, a fair assumption given his age and pedigree, the Jays have themselves a hell of a player.
 
your whole argument based on the Jays' history of .900ops RFers is pretty weak, to be honest.

the Jays could go out and buy a .900ops RFer tommorrow, if they wanted to.

Why are you so eager to give a awful contract to a 30 plus FA? And you can be damn skippy it will be awful since we are bidding with the likes of Red Sox and Angels to get said player.

We have the cupboards full and can outbid anyone on a 22 year old phenom who is locked up reasonably til 2015.

If anyone would get this concept i figured it would be you Zeke
 
If Upton becomes a .900 bat than any trade featuring Drebek or Snider is a huge flop.

Giving up the kind of package being talked about, Upton has to become one of the best hitters in the league. And he has as good a chance as anyone to become that.
 
Also on Upton. It's almost a lock that numbers would go up significantly playing in Toronto.

He would be moving to a lineup that offers more protection that he had in Zona. ( Wells, Manny?, Jose, Lind) vs ( Reynolds) and be inserted into the launch pad that is the Rogers Center.
 
Honestly, I don't get some of you guys. Does Upton have limitations? Sure. All players do. Is there a possible downside to raiding the system and losing alot of depth as a result of any theoretical trade? Absolutely. Was last season concerning? To some it was, but to me I saw a kid who experienced a shoulder injury from which there is a high likelyhood of recovering from and who is a former first overall draft pick just one year removed from being a 21 year-old all-star who put up big numbers at his position when most kids his age don't even see big-league pitching, and who don't have his already substantial levels of experience in the majors.

Is there a risk inherent in this type of deal? Of course. But you guys are always preaching that the Leafs take risks in order to accumulate elite talent and how depth is not as important as upper-echelon players. I agree with that philosophy as well. So why is it now that the Jays have a prime opportunity to nab one of the brightest young stars in the game there is so much wavering about the deal? You pay whatever you can to get talents that are so young with so high a ceiling, especially when they are in your control for five seasons. The Jays are not the Yankees or Red Sox: we cannot go out tomorrow and spend $150 million on free agents and expect to be financially sound. There just isn't the clout for it, so deals like this are the way to go, risk in all. It's the surest path towards contention. We have to be smart and we have to make attempts at these deals when they come along.
 
Honestly, I don't get some of you guys. Does Upton have limitations? Sure. All players do. Is there a possible downside to raiding the system and losing alot of depth as a result of any theoretical trade? Absolutely. Was last season concerning? To some it was, but to me I saw a kid who experienced a shoulder injury from which there is a high likelyhood of recovering from and who is a former first overall draft pick just one year removed from being a 21 year-old all-star who put up big numbers at his position when most kids his age don't even see big-league pitching, and who don't have his already substantial levels of experience in the majors.

Is there a risk inherent in this type of deal? Of course. But you guys are always preaching that the Leafs take risks in order to accumulate elite talent and how depth is not as important as upper-echelon players. I agree with that philosophy as well. So why is it now that the Jays have a prime opportunity to nab one of the brightest young stars in the game there is so much wavering about the deal? You pay whatever you can to get talents that are so young with so high a ceiling, especially when they are in your control for five seasons. The Jays are not the Yankees or Red Sox: we cannot go out tomorrow and spend $150 million on free agents and expect to be financially sound. There just isn't the clout for it, so deals like this are the way to go, risk in all. It's the surest path towards contention. We have to be smart and we have to make attempts at these deals when they come along.


+ 1.
 
This really ought to be considered in the same light as the Yunel Escobar deal. Only with a much bigger peices going each way, but it falls under the same philosophy of buying low on locked up young stars.
 
The thing is trading Snider and Drabek isn't buying low. You could get just about anyone for a package like that, and Puljos, Feilder and A-Gon are potentially going to be dealt this year, who are legit star hitters, not just potential ones.

If you can get Upton without giving up Snider, than absolutely, but if you start having to give away both Snider and Drabek its a costly, costly move.

I just can't agree that you give up whatever it takes to get Upton.
 
Honestly, I don't get some of you guys. Does Upton have limitations? Sure. All players do. Is there a possible downside to raiding the system and losing alot of depth as a result of any theoretical trade? Absolutely. Was last season concerning? To some it was, but to me I saw a kid who experienced a shoulder injury from which there is a high likelyhood of recovering from and who is a former first overall draft pick just one year removed from being a 21 year-old all-star who put up big numbers at his position when most kids his age don't even see big-league pitching, and who don't have his already substantial levels of experience in the majors.

Is there a risk inherent in this type of deal? Of course. But you guys are always preaching that the Leafs take risks in order to accumulate elite talent and how depth is not as important as upper-echelon players. I agree with that philosophy as well. So why is it now that the Jays have a prime opportunity to nab one of the brightest young stars in the game there is so much wavering about the deal? You pay whatever you can to get talents that are so young with so high a ceiling, especially when they are in your control for five seasons. The Jays are not the Yankees or Red Sox: we cannot go out tomorrow and spend $150 million on free agents and expect to be financially sound. There just isn't the clout for it, so deals like this are the way to go, risk in all. It's the surest path towards contention. We have to be smart and we have to make attempts at these deals when they come along.

the problem is that you're underrating Snider.
 
Forgive me for asking 101, but when was Pujols rumoured to be on the move? The only time I've seen his name in trade rumours was a bogus swap with Philadelphia for Ryan Howard last season.
 
The thing is trading Snider and Drabek isn't buying low. You could get just about anyone for a package like that, and Puljos, Feilder and A-Gon are potentially going to be dealt this year, who are legit star hitters, not just potential ones.

If you can get Upton without giving up Snider, than absolutely, but if you start having to give away both Snider and Drabek its a costly, costly move.

I just can't agree that you give up whatever it takes to get Upton.



Upton is more valuable than Prince or AGON....the latter are FA's after the season. Upton is controlled til 2015
 
His contract is up after this year. His future is up in the air. His name has been thrown around a bunch, but its all speculation at this point.
 
the problem is that you're underrating Snider.

How good do you think Snider has the potential to be? I've been a big fan of his since the Jays drafted him, so it's not a matter of disliking the kid or his skillset. He's even pretty athletic despite his size (was all-state in football at QB I believe for his high school), has a good arm (although not as good as Upton's) and has prodigious power.
 
His contract is up after this year. His future is up in the air. His name has been thrown around a bunch, but its all speculation at this point.

And...they havent signed an extension yet. Which one would think would've been done almost right after the Howard one.

There is a growing suspicion by the day that he doenst want to stay in St louis, or they dont want to pay him ( 10/300 is the rumor)
 
How good do you think Snider has the potential to be? I've been a big fan of his since the Jays drafted him, so it's not a matter of disliking the kid or his skillset. He's even pretty athletic despite his size (was all-state in football at QB I believe for his high school), has a good arm (although not as good as Upton's) and has prodigious power.

He has the very, very real potential of being a Dunn or even Delgado type bat.
 
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