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OT: The F*cking Science Thread

Pretty tough to make a claim either way....not sure how you would ever set up a controlled study group....but it is a decent way to lower bacteria levels with very little cost...if as you say, you are already replacing hardware....
 
Going to have to agree with HL here, you can replace all the door handles you want, bacteria are ****ing everywhere. If someone is sick in your house, chances are that you are going to be exposed to that bug regardless of whether or not you have copper door knobs or not. Hospitals, public places are a whole different ball game, I agree.
 
Going to have to agree with HL here, you can replace all the door handles you want, bacteria are ****ing everywhere. If someone is sick in your house, chances are that you are going to be exposed to that bug regardless of whether or not you have copper door knobs or not. Hospitals, public places are a whole different ball game, I agree.

most viruses/bacteria are spread through common contact, I have a hard time seeing how reducing the life span that bacteria/viruses can survive on the surface (significantly, from days to minutes) of some of the most commonly touched surfaces in a house, wouldn't reduce illnesses in a home.
 
I'm curious Mindz, did you read the journal article itself or just the Telegraph article?

Horizontal Transfer of Antibiotic Resistance Genes on Abiotic Touch Surfaces: Implications for Public Health
ABSTRACT

Horizontal gene transfer (HGT) is largely responsible for increasing the incidence of antibiotic-resistant infections worldwide. While studies have focused on HGT in vivo, this work investigates whether the ability of pathogens to persist in the environment, particularly on touch surfaces, may also play an important role. Escherichia coli, virulent clone ST131, and Klebsiella pneumoniae harboring extended-spectrum-β-lactamase (ESBL) blaCTX-M-15 and metallo-β-lactamase blaNDM-1, respectively, exhibited prolonged survival on stainless steel, with approximately 104 viable cells remaining from an inoculum of 107 CFU per cm2 after 1 month at 21°C. HGT of bla to an antibiotic-sensitive but azide-resistant recipient E. coli strain occurred on stainless steel dry touch surfaces and in suspension but not on dry copper. The conjugation frequency was approximately 10 to 50 times greater and occurred immediately, and resulting transconjugants were more stable with ESBL E. coli as the donor cell than with K. pneumoniae, but blaNDM-1 transfer increased with time. Transconjugants also exhibited the same resistance profile as the donor, suggesting multiple gene transfer. Rapid death, inhibition of respiration, and destruction of genomic and plasmid DNA of both pathogens occurred on copper alloys accompanied by a reduction in bla copy number. Naked E. coli DNA degraded on copper at 21°C and 37°C but slowly at 4°C, suggesting a direct role for the metal. Persistence of viable pathogenic bacteria on touch surfaces may not only increase the risk of infection transmission but may also contribute to the spread of antibiotic resistance by HGT. The use of copper alloys as antimicrobial touch surfaces may help reduce infection and HGT.

IMPORTANCE Horizontal gene transfer (HGT) conferring resistance to many classes of antimicrobials has resulted in a worldwide epidemic of nosocomial and community infections caused by multidrug-resistant microorganisms, leading to suggestions that we are in effect returning to the preantibiotic era. While studies have focused on HGT in vivo, this work investigates whether the ability of pathogens to persist in the environment, particularly on touch surfaces, may also play an important role. Here we show prolonged (several-week) survival of multidrug-resistant Escherichia coli and Klebsiella pneumoniae on stainless steel surfaces. Plasmid-mediated HGT of β-lactamase genes to an azide-resistant recipient E. coli strain occurred when the donor and recipient cells were mixed together on stainless steel and in suspension but not on copper surfaces. In addition, rapid death of both antibiotic-resistant strains and destruction of plasmid and genomic DNA were observed on copper and copper alloy surfaces, which could be useful in the prevention of infection spread and gene transfer.


This is the actual study that's being referred to.
 
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Bacteria are everywhere but I could care less about the ones that aren't out to harm me. Peace of mind from sterile surfaces where worth the added dollars I put into my new hardware. I also haven't been sick since doing so - now call that confirmation bias, or faulty logic, but it is good enough for me.

Next you are going to tell me that my cellphone EMF shield won't stop me from getting ball cancer. :)
 
Bacteria are everywhere but I could care less about the ones that aren't out to harm me. Peace of mind from sterile surfaces where worth the added dollars I put into my new hardware. I also haven't been sick since doing so - now call that confirmation bias, or faulty logic, but it is good enough for me.

I'll call it faulty logic. Our Physical Biochemistry prof, Dr. Greenberg, perhaps you may know him, actually ranted about this issue, said he specifically went out of his way to expose his children to allergens, so that they would develop immunity later on in life. Also, there are some filthy, vile people that are out there that never get sick. Pretty sure they don't have copper doorknobs :p
 
Faulty logic I'll take...

Isn't that childhood immunity more myth than proven science? I might be misremembering my microbio courses....but I thought they mentioned that.


I am specifically talking about the Hygiene hypothesis.....
 
I'm curious Mindz, did you read the journal article itself or just the Telegraph article?

Just the article at the moment.

but, as you were kind enough to post part of it, this:

. Here we show prolonged (several-week) survival of multidrug-resistant Escherichia coli and Klebsiella pneumoniae on stainless steel surfaces. Plasmid-mediated HGT of β-lactamase genes to an azide-resistant recipient E. coli strain occurred when the donor and recipient cells were mixed together on stainless steel and in suspension but not on copper surfaces. In addition, rapid death of both antibiotic-resistant strains and destruction of plasmid and genomic DNA were observed on copper and copper alloy surfaces, which could be useful in the prevention of infection spread and gene transfer.

would appear to the layperson to be somewhat pertinent.
 
Infection spread and gene transfer of ESBLs.

The most common infections we get in the lab that are caused by ESBLs are urinary tract infections.
 
I doubt it's a myth - the immune system has to build itself, and the only way it does is through fighting infections. It's actually quite awesome how a baby's mother will take in the baby's infections through it's saliva on her teet, then produce the needed antibodies in the breast milk to help the baby's immune system fight it.
 
IF you can maintain it uncoated, copper actually looks pretty badass as a construction material.

100-percent-design-london-copper-chair-table-resized-600.jpg



I think I'd have to get this if I ever had kids. For their health.

CopperCar003.jpg
 
Well I guess it's safe to suck on pennies as long as they're from 1996 or older... or American pennies from 1981 or older.

That's PENNIES Vic and teeds don't get too excited.
 
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=carbon-nanotube-danger


Inhaling carbon nanotubes could be as harmful as breathing in asbestos, and its use should be regulated lest it lead to the same cancer and breathing problems that prompted a ban on the use of asbestos as insulation in buildings, according a new study posted online today by Nature Nanotechnology.

During the study, led by the Queen's Medical Research Institute at the University of Edinburgh/MRC Center for Inflammation Research (CIR) in Scotland, scientists observed that long, thin carbon nanotubes look and behave like asbestos fibers, which have been shown to cause mesothelioma , a deadly cancer of the membrane lining the body's internal organs (in particular the lungs) that can take 30 to 40 years to appear following exposure. Asbestos fibers are especially harmful, because they are small enough to penetrate deep into the lungs yet too long for the body's immune system to destroy.

The researchers reached their conclusions after they exposed lab mice to needle-thin nanotubes: The inside lining of the animals' body cavities became inflamed and formed lesions.

Carbon nanotubes are generally made from sheets of graphite no thicker than an atom—about a nanometer, or one billionth of a meter wide—and formed into cylinders, with the diameter varying from a few nanometers up to tens of nanometers. (They can be hundreds or even thousands of nanometers long.) There is a greater concern about "multiwalled" nanotubes consisting of several reinforced cylinders, because they are able to retain their pointy shapes better than thinner nanotubes.
 
It's been known for quite some time that there are health problems related to carbon nanotubes. This doesn't really come as a surprise to me. We can still use them though, we would just have to make sure we find some way to make them safe and keep them from making contact with human skin, or from being inhaled.
 
If it's something as simple as door handles, faucets, etc, etc....that's something that can be integrated into the interior design of my house, and cut down on transferability of bacteria, it seems like a pretty reasonable precaution to make. If it stops me from getting ill and missing work once (which for me is a week), it's paid for itself a few times over.

I agree that it's most effective use is in a health care setting (hospitals, nursing homes, etc), but this is a pretty basic alteration we can make that can potentially cut down on transferred illnesses. Shit, we only use stainless steel because it's shiny and doesn't rust easily. Brass can meet both requirements and is about 66% the cost of stainless, also significantly cheaper to machine into finished products.

http://www.germguard.ca/about.html

TTC and grocery stores use this, among others.
 
Happened upon this show on Netflix. Stephen Hawking: Into the Universe. It's pretty awesome. I watched the first two episodes so far.

[video=youtube;4GcmbFb8afQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GcmbFb8afQ[/video]
 
I know that this is so sub Fred that it's not even worth posting, but what the hell.


http://www.salon.com/2013/01/03/highway_of_the_future_is_seriously_smart/

The Dutch design lab Studio Roosegaarde invents weird things. And now, the brains behind clothing that becomes transparent while the wearer is getting, ahem, intimate and a room that contracts and expands based on how hard you dance in it would like to redesign Europe’s entire system of highways and roads.

So they did.

According to Studio Roosegaarde the highways of the future are safer, cleaner and more environmentally sound. The lab has developed solar powered glow-in-the-dark roads that charge during the day to illuminate your evening drive, dynamic asphalt paint that transforms in response to road conditions like ice and sleet, and car lanes that double as electric car chargers by using magnetic fields under the asphalt.

These ideas might seem far out, but they’re already being implemented in Holland. If all goes well during the piloting program, there are talks of implementing these upgrades across Europe.

Why reinvent the road and not the car? As Studio Roosegaarde’s Emina Sendijarevic told Popular Science, it’s about changing the landscape from the ground up.
 
I (and probably everyone else) have been thinking about roads like this for years.

That sounds awesome.
 
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