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JamesNorthern

JamesNorthern

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...if you woke up tomorrow and found out Staal the Elder had been traded to the Leafs for sort of combo of a 1st rounder and a player package?
I'm thinking we could get a 1st and Kadri for Staal the Elder.
...if come trade deadline we turn around and trade the player we got (Kadri) - for more pick(s)

I'd be really happy. Let's hope the Leafs stay on the schneid, Staal keeps up his renaissance, to a degree anyway.

Then all we need is a team like the Oilers to go through a spell of poor goaltending and the improbable becomes possible. Ward for a pick? Won't be a 1st unless we ate like half of his remaining contract... which with Staal gone, well we'd have more in the coffers?
 
JamesNorthern said:
...if you woke up tomorrow and found out Staal the Elder had been traded to the Leafs for sort of combo of a 1st rounder and a player package?
I'm thinking we could get a 1st and Kadri for Staal the Elder.
...if come trade deadline we turn around and trade the player we got (Kadri) - for more pick(s)

I'd be really happy. Let's hope the Leafs stay on the schneid, Staal keeps up his renaissance, to a degree anyway.

Then all we need is a team like the Oilers to go through a spell of poor goaltending and the improbable becomes possible. Ward for a pick? Won't be a 1st unless we ate like half of his remaining contract... which with Staal gone, well we'd have more in the coffers?
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Ugh
Semin, Alexander 7.000 186.0 7.000 7.000 7.000 7.000 7.000 7.000
Staal, Jordan 6.000 186.0 6.000 6.000 6.000 6.000 6.000 6.000
Skinner, Jeff 5.725 186.0 5.725 4.350 6.000 6.000 6.000 6.000
 
I'd say that nobody has gotten to work yet at the league office. As soon as someone did, that trade would be rejected. It would put the Leafs about $5 million over the cap.
 
andyt said:
I'd say that nobody has gotten to work yet at the league office. As soon as someone did, that trade would be rejected. It would put the Leafs about $5 million over the cap.
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Which is why the Leafs have to throw in Gardiner as well. Since we are nearing about 25% of way through season that should make it pretty close to cap compliment. If this happens, I would be thrilled as it makes the Canes younger with additional assets to build around.

I would then keep Jordan and Skinner unless the return was exceptional.....which I don't think it would be. In Jordan you have a veteran leader for the young team, plus I think he could raise his game without having to worry about stepping on Eric's toes. I also don't get the hate with Skinner. He is still only 22 and is the only guy on the team that can create his own offense regardless of who he plays with. Can't say that about most guys and his contract is not bad for a guy that will consistently put up 30+ goal seasons when healthy. Health is really the only legit knock on him unless of course you are expecting him to be a defensive stopper (which I am not).
 
JamesNorthern said:
...if you woke up tomorrow and found out Staal the Elder had been traded to the Leafs for sort of combo of a 1st rounder and a player package?
I'm thinking we could get a 1st and Kadri for Staal the Elder.
...if come trade deadline we turn around and trade the player we got (Kadri) - for more pick(s)

I'd be really happy. Let's hope the Leafs stay on the schneid, Staal keeps up his renaissance, to a degree anyway.

Then all we need is a team like the Oilers to go through a spell of poor goaltending and the improbable becomes possible. Ward for a pick? Won't be a 1st unless we ate like half of his remaining contract... which with Staal gone, well we'd have more in the coffers?
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The hidden benefit of Staal in Toronto is it continues to put them smack in the middle of the pack. The will continue to be a mediocre team with him as I don't think they are close to a Cup contender as constructed today...even with Staal. Just don't state the obvious to the Toronto media/fans. As far as I am concerned, Staal is the missing piece for Toronto to hoist the Cup!
 
CarolinaPen this is what I thought too. Heheh. Help em get a 'better' playoff position, err our draft selection.

Regarding Skinner, I have no hate. Just, how would you say it, always a hit away from ending his career? Yes. The only but fully justifiable knock on him. Elephant in the room. Always will be.
 
The Semin situation is more intriguing at the moment. Limited ice time and some healthy scratches for Semin under the new coach already, 20 games into the season. A huge financial committment to Semin for several more seasons with a contract that is almost untradable. The Canes cannot afford to buy Semin out. So this stuff really either gets more and more ugly by the week or Semin finally decides to elevate his play and get on board the Bill Peters bus for the long haul.
 
CanadaCanes said:
The Semin situation is more intriguing at the moment. Limited ice time and some healthy scratches for Semin under the new coach already, 20 games into the season. A huge financial committment to Semin for several more seasons with a contract that is almost untradable. The Canes cannot afford to buy Semin out. So this stuff really either gets more and more ugly by the week or Semin finally decides to elevate his play and get on board the Bill Peters bus for the long haul.
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Semin is untradable unless the Canes eat a big portion of the contract. I see him being a healthy scratch off and on but at the end of the day he will be in the lineup. The Canes can't afford to have him sit in the pressbox for an extended period with the amount of money he is making. You have to give him the chance to play out of his funk.

Semin is an fickle guy. He either is injured, has something going on in his personal life, or just doesn't like the new coach and/or system. If I were Francis he may want to try something creative like trade for another Russian so Semin has a friend or someone he can relate to on the team. Something as simple as that could get him going and is worth a try. I think the Canes need to think outside of the box with him and invest some time into seeing what his issue is and trying to solve it. It will be far cheaper than the other alternative of continuing to pay his huge contract with zero results for the next couple of years. Crappy situation anyway you look at it from Canes standpoint but they need to attempt a solution.
 
The Canes cannot afford to buy Semin out.
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I was actually thinking about this after watching Semin get stapled to the bench in the 3rd period of the Dallas game. I generally agree with this statement, the Canes really don't have the financial muscle to simply eat huge amounts of dead money. However, in this case, one might argue that Semin is already dead money in his current state. Barring some sort of trade out of here this year, Semin has the rest of the season to get on board and contribute.

But let's assume that Semin flat out sucks all year. By the time we hit the offseason we are faced with:

1) Trying to trade him and eat huge amounts of money AND probably take on some other team's headache. He might not be tradable even if we eat half of his salary/cap hit.

2) Keeping him at $7 million for next year

3) Buy him out of the rest of his contract. The cost if we do that? $2.33 million per season in salary and cap hit for each of the next SIX years ($14 million total).

While I think that Ronnie and PK would absolutely try to everything possible to avoid a buyout, I'm not quite sure that the Canes wouldn't be better off buying Semin out of the final 3 seasons. Yes that is a big financial hit to take, but the hit is spread out over 6 years, it immediately eliminates Semin from the roster before next season, and actually saved the Canes $7 million overall. It also frees up money immediately NEXT season ($2.33 million to get rid of Semin, $4.67 million freed up).

I have a feeling that in this situation, if Semin doesn't suddenly wake up and produce at a high level, the Canes might actually buy him out if they cannot find a sucker to take him.
 
CarolinaPen, I would generally agree with your assessment and ideas to get Semin going, just would like to remind you that generally he's had the same issues in Washington, where he played all of his career up until becoming a Cane. He had ample time to adjust to whatever he needed to adjust to. And the idea of bringing in some fellow countrymen to give these guys some familiarity is great... how many Russians were playing with Washington I remind you? Or you can believe all the excuses made during that time and after his initial success with the Canes. Bottom line - dude can play like an offensive beast out htere if healthy and motivated. In his case, those are always two HUGE questions marks.
Buy him out and send him packing to Vladimir Malakhov land...
 
He would clear waivers for sure. I doubt the Canes would even attempt to send him to the minors after he did, that would be an extreme measure.
 
cmaleski2 said:
He would clear waivers for sure. I doubt the Canes would even attempt to send him to the minors after he did, that would be an extreme measure.
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And even if he did get sent to the minors, the Canes are still on the hook for $6 million against the cap.

Keep in mind that we can only retain 50% of his salary in a trade. That would cost an extra $1.2 million against the cap for the next 3 years compared to the buyout but nothing after that as his contract will have expired. In terms of total cash, assuming we could trade him and ate 50%, that would cost a total of $10.5 million of the remainder of the contract. A buyout would cost a hair under $14 million, but spread out over 6 years instead of 3. So the total cash difference is only $4 million. A buyout may be the most sensible, both on and off the ice.
 
The absolute best outcome would be for Peters and company to figure out just how to best use this uber-skilled forward and get him to buy into that role.

He's not an interchangeable widget, so may never crash the net like a WHL-weaned forward might. But, then again, he can do things with the puck that they can never hope to do, both from a set-up and a sniping goal-scorer role. And, he actually has a strong defensive game to go with that offensive skill.

I'm still willing to give Peters some time to get his attention and find a home on the ice for him. Maybe he's the designated F3 on a line where the other two forwards never seem to get the hint that it's their time to play that role.

A performing Semin is what we need, whether we keep him or deal him. And a performing Semin has the market value of his current contract.
 
cmaleski2 said:
He would clear waivers for sure. I doubt the Canes would even attempt to send him to the minors after he did, that would be an extreme measure.
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What if a team did pick him off the waiver wire? How much would it cost the Canes?
 
Staal for Kadri (or Bozak), Gardiner and TML 1st is a trade I would definitely do, if offered.
Too bad that Preds are stacked at center, that would be a nice place to send him (he played his best hockey under Laviolette). They pretty much have enough cap space to get him for draft picks, although if we could somehow get Filip Forsberg as a part of the return, that would be great.

Semin is pretty much untradeable. We'd have to package a pick or a prospect to send him somewhere for hopefully another high paid underachieving player whose monster contract expires sooner than his. That's about the only remotely realistic scenario I see.

As far as Skinner is concerned, I'd listen to offers. One of my favorite players, but the contract length and $ and the concussions issue make him not the best fit in a team trying to rebuild. I don't know if there are any teams that have expressed any interest in him.
 
cmaleski2 said:
Nothing. In fact the Canes would get some money from the team claiming him.
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He came in as a free agent and can go play for another team, as far as I'm concerned. Not a big loss just to let him walk. He's the Big Elephant in the room as Chuck said this morning. Better for the team to get rid of this guy. Can't be good for the room.
 
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