The Bergevin Contradictions
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worm
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Re: The Bergevin Contradictions - My post-season wrap-up. (Long read)
Good write-up GGpX.
Outside of my not caring if MB changes his opinion/values on things. For a new GM I want him learning.
He seems to have learned the hard way that "getting bigger" is not the answer.
Now lets see what he learns from this season.
My biggest issue with MB is his "draft and develop" contradiction. Say you are building through the draft, not trading prospects, not trading that many draft picks (balance), etc but then keep Timmins and the crap AHL coach.
Good write-up GGpX.
Outside of my not caring if MB changes his opinion/values on things. For a new GM I want him learning.
He seems to have learned the hard way that "getting bigger" is not the answer.
Now lets see what he learns from this season.
My biggest issue with MB is his "draft and develop" contradiction. Say you are building through the draft, not trading prospects, not trading that many draft picks (balance), etc but then keep Timmins and the crap AHL coach.
Re: The Bergevin Contradictions - My post-season wrap-up. (Long read)
My problem is that the club is stuck between winning now and rebuilding and MB for some reason is hesitant to make tough decisions, ie. trading players like Markov even if it upsets the fans who don't understand the reasoning to getting stud prospects back. I am not sure how MB is going to deal with the next couple of years, because we have basically an empty farm compared to many other teams. The bottom line is, is MB giving free reign with this team, or is he directed to make the playoffs every year even if it means holding onto vets instead of trading them for picks/prospects.
My biggest fear is we end up stuck in mediocrityville like we have been for 20+ years, and teams like the lightning can retool and draft, and we're stuck here getting hard ons just making the playoffs saying there's always next year. I don't see anything changing because of what we have on the ice, and the players we have in our system, and I don't see any break in that direction. MB needs to come up with some big trades so we can do quick retools, but these half ass efforts only prolong our suffering like what happened this year. I'm also scared because Toronto seems to be on the right track long term, and we aren't.
My problem is that the club is stuck between winning now and rebuilding and MB for some reason is hesitant to make tough decisions, ie. trading players like Markov even if it upsets the fans who don't understand the reasoning to getting stud prospects back. I am not sure how MB is going to deal with the next couple of years, because we have basically an empty farm compared to many other teams. The bottom line is, is MB giving free reign with this team, or is he directed to make the playoffs every year even if it means holding onto vets instead of trading them for picks/prospects.
My biggest fear is we end up stuck in mediocrityville like we have been for 20+ years, and teams like the lightning can retool and draft, and we're stuck here getting hard ons just making the playoffs saying there's always next year. I don't see anything changing because of what we have on the ice, and the players we have in our system, and I don't see any break in that direction. MB needs to come up with some big trades so we can do quick retools, but these half ass efforts only prolong our suffering like what happened this year. I'm also scared because Toronto seems to be on the right track long term, and we aren't.
GrandWazoo
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Re: The Bergevin Contradictions - My post-season wrap-up. (Long read)
I don't think we need to rebuild, we just need to keep on building. We have good pieces on the team, we simply need to add to it. Some prospects are getting closer to the NHL but we need to complement them with some good signings and trades,
I don't think we need to rebuild, we just need to keep on building. We have good pieces on the team, we simply need to add to it. Some prospects are getting closer to the NHL but we need to complement them with some good signings and trades,
Sal_Butera
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Re: The Bergevin Contradictions - My post-season wrap-up. (Long read)
Emelin, Eller, and DD need to be sent to Siberia in salary dumps. Plekanec needs to be jettisoned to some moron GM - hopefully for Stamkos rights pre-July 1st.
If the Habs are able to sign two top-6 UFA's, the entire face of the team is instantly overhauled. Ideally Stamkos and now Ladd looks like an absolute must given the veteran leadership void on this team. Never a big fan of giving 30-yr old players who play that type of game longterm deal, but MBs painted himself into a corner.
Emelin, Eller, and DD need to be sent to Siberia in salary dumps. Plekanec needs to be jettisoned to some moron GM - hopefully for Stamkos rights pre-July 1st.
east coast
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Re: The Bergevin Contradictions - My post-season wrap-up. (Long read)
Unfortunately, Bergevin may be the moron GM.
Unfortunately, Bergevin may be the moron GM.
GGpX
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Re: The Bergevin Contradictions - My post-season wrap-up. (Long read)
Whether I like it or not isn't particulaly relevant.
Says he wants to get bigger & tougher to play against, acquires Brière, Parros & Murray in the same off-season. Ummm...
Whether I like it or not isn't particulaly relevant.
Says he wants to get bigger & tougher to play against, acquires Brière, Parros & Murray in the same off-season. Ummm...
GGpX
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Re: The Bergevin Contradictions - My post-season wrap-up. (Long read)
I don't mind if you a manager changes his opinion on how to build a team. However, how do you explain acquiring Semin/Kassian/Matteau when he says in nearly every single press conference that he values character so much? It doesn't make sense.
I don't mind if you a manager changes his opinion on how to build a team. However, how do you explain acquiring Semin/Kassian/Matteau when he says in nearly every single press conference that he values character so much? It doesn't make sense.
worm
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Re: The Bergevin Contradictions - My post-season wrap-up. (Long read)
Pretty much he said the equavalent of "give 110%"
need to get bigger is standard nothing speak
it was only when he seemed to overearct to the sens series that it became an issue
and like you said later on - he got bigger be default - it was an easy win
Pretty much he said the equavalent of "give 110%"
need to get bigger is standard nothing speak
it was only when he seemed to overearct to the sens series that it became an issue
and like you said later on - he got bigger be default - it was an easy win
worm
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Re: The Bergevin Contradictions - My post-season wrap-up. (Long read)
Side rant:
I never bought the character stuff.
Cammy was a terrible character guy until he lead us in playoff points.
Price was a bad character.
As for him claiming character - Assuming those are low character guys (i have no clue) he gave them second chances and had a short leash.
Side rant:
I never bought the character stuff.
Cammy was a terrible character guy until he lead us in playoff points.
Price was a bad character.
As for him claiming character - Assuming those are low character guys (i have no clue) he gave them second chances and had a short leash.
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
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Re: The Bergevin Contradictions - My post-season wrap-up. (Long read)
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Well at least when he first started Bergevin was supposedly trying to do something, whether that something was to get bigger or faster or whatever else. Today he basically told us that he doesn't plan to do anything because it's too hard.
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lecoqsportif
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Re: The Bergevin Contradictions - My post-season wrap-up. (Long read)
And Prust oozed karaktur but at the end he couldn't skate anymore.
And Prust oozed karaktur but at the end he couldn't skate anymore.
GrandWazoo
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We kinda missed the skating version of himself this year. Prust had a knack for waking up the team when they were in a funk.
We kinda missed the skating version of himself this year. Prust had a knack for waking up the team when they were in a funk.
Re: The Bergevin Contradictions - My post-season wrap-up. (Long read)
He's been saying it's too hard to acquire legit top six talent for two years now.
Of course its hard but I don't think I hear another GM harp on it as much as MB.
He's been saying it's too hard to acquire legit top six talent for two years now.
Of course its hard but I don't think I hear another GM harp on it as much as MB.
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He wanted the job and he got it. Now he says it's too difficult to actually do the job bit it pays well so he wants to keep it. I doubt he expressed any doubts about his ability to get the job done when he interviewed for it.
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GGpX
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Re: The Bergevin Contradictions - My post-season wrap-up. (Long read)
Yup.
Brandon Prust during his first year here was worth every penny of his contract. Unfortunately for us, we only got one really good year out of him before his body started to fall apart.
If there was a player similar to Brandon Prust available this summer, I'd love to get him.
Yup.
Brandon Prust during his first year here was worth every penny of his contract. Unfortunately for us, we only got one really good year out of him before his body started to fall apart.
If there was a player similar to Brandon Prust available this summer, I'd love to get him.
GGpX
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If nothing else, I was 100% correct about this. Today's press conference confirmed it when he blatantly said he didn't tell the media the truth.
If nothing else, I was 100% correct about this. Today's press conference confirmed it when he blatantly said he didn't tell the media the truth.
Re: The Bergevin Contradictions - My post-season wrap-up. (Long read)
And yet Beard still managed to pull in a worse player.
JustinSnow
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Except that is bullshit.
Getting "bigger and tougher to play against" doesn't have a damn thing to do with getting a possession black hole like Douglas MUrray, Or trading a 7th rounder for George Parros.
There's this idea that "tough to play against" is always part in partial to being "bigger". But that's complete and total nonsense.
When the puck is constantly in your own end, you are easy to play against. I don't care how big or tough Murray was, he wasn't "tough to play against". He was the exact opposite. He was a dream to play against. Throw the puck in his corner, let him flounder around trying to play the puck, and get possession back.
You know who is tough to play against? Gallagher. Because he leaves it all out on the ice every shift, because he's a nuisance out there, because he's great at getting to the tough areas and capitalizing on rebounds/second chances.
It isn't that people "hated" the Habs getting bigger, or "tougher to play against" it's that Bergevin failed in his attempts to do that.
And at the same time he continually made personnel moves that even if we ignore everything I just outlined to you, went against it. Like signing Desharnais to a 4 year contract extension, like signing Bouillon twice, like bringing in Briere as a UFA. The list goes on and on.
It's been happening for a while with this organization.
They say one thing, and do another.
But because people complain about awful signings like Murray, you make it out like they are saying the yhate the idea of being "bigger and tougher to play against".
Except that is bullshit.
Getting "bigger and tougher to play against" doesn't have a damn thing to do with getting a possession black hole like Douglas MUrray, Or trading a 7th rounder for George Parros.
There's this idea that "tough to play against" is always part in partial to being "bigger". But that's complete and total nonsense.
When the puck is constantly in your own end, you are easy to play against. I don't care how big or tough Murray was, he wasn't "tough to play against". He was the exact opposite. He was a dream to play against. Throw the puck in his corner, let him flounder around trying to play the puck, and get possession back.
You know who is tough to play against? Gallagher. Because he leaves it all out on the ice every shift, because he's a nuisance out there, because he's great at getting to the tough areas and capitalizing on rebounds/second chances.
It isn't that people "hated" the Habs getting bigger, or "tougher to play against" it's that Bergevin failed in his attempts to do that.
And at the same time he continually made personnel moves that even if we ignore everything I just outlined to you, went against it. Like signing Desharnais to a 4 year contract extension, like signing Bouillon twice, like bringing in Briere as a UFA. The list goes on and on.
It's been happening for a while with this organization.
They say one thing, and do another.
But because people complain about awful signings like Murray, you make it out like they are saying the yhate the idea of being "bigger and tougher to play against".