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OT: American Politics

Habsy said:
You just know Rosenstein had this dug up as a **** you to Jordan. The two really dislike each other. It’s a very J. Edgar type move.
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true.

Jordan knowingly ignoring coaches and doctors masturbating in front of his student athletes should be no big deal.

just a cowardly smear.
 
MindzEye said:
Oh, I didn't suggest that they will. I just used that to illustrate how close the US is to sliding into recession. Only a couple percent understand what the yield spread is, but almost everyone understands what a recession is.



Can someone please provide me with proof of Trump's actual popularity? The last time a President had this level of popularity at this point in their Presidency, it was Jimmy Carter. I really don't get why we should assume the polls are wrong here. I get that there was some wiggle room between Trump's pre election popularity and the final vote count (within the margin of error) but I'm not seeing the argument for why they wouldn't show up in polling 18 months later. They're still worried about being seen as pro Trump?



We've already seen pretty heavy movement in those key battleground states.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...pecial-election-results-shift-democratic.html

The support difference between the election and the special elections that have occurred since, is ****ing striking.

again, I think people over estimate Trump's popularity. He barely, barely won the election. His popularity is down in most of the key states he snuck a win out of in 2016 (for example, in Pennsylvannia his personal approval rating was at 30% in polling from a few months ago https://www.pennlive.com/capitol-notebook/2018/03/no_stormy_weather_for_trump_pr.html )

We see it all over the country as Republicans running for election tend to want Trump to stay as far away from them as possible, other than in hard core Trump country.
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its the wimmins.

they'll save the country.
 
MindzEye said:
There's no proof of Trump being popular. There just isn't. The economy is a slow moving beast, but it's come a long way in the wrong direction in just the last 6 months. Another 6 like the last 6 and you'll be on the cusp of a recession, with 2 years left on Trump's term.
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I’m sorry but I see support for Trump everywhere. Sure it’s anecdotal but it’s prevalent. People still quietly support him, don’t make the same mistake people made in 2016. You have to look at the support he’s getting from the states he won, the rest will never support him.

and that's just it, I don't buy it. Maybe if his tax cuts didn't go over like a lead balloon I'd reconsider this stance, but with how unpopular they turned out to be, I don't see enough people buying his economic bullshit.
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Most Americans don’t follow that stuff or really care. He wins off ignorance and there is a lot of it.

Most polls I've seen recently suggest that the American public badly want someone to stand in opposition to Trump. A Democratic congress will do exactly that.
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I disagree. You can choose to live by polls but Trump is the dirty little secret that some voters keep close. They’re in the closet so to speak.


I think you're over estimating the support that got him into the white house. It took a historically unpopular democrat with ~30 yrs of public baggage and a poorly run campaign for Trump to sneak into office by about 85,000 votes almost perfectly placed. He's done nothing to endear himself to the masses since and his numbers show it. Disapproval is up 10% since he barely took office and approval is down 5%. That all occurred while he was riding a booming economy and taking credit for it at every turn.
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Fair.

I just see far too many people quietly supporting his bullshit. It’s worrisome.
 
zeke said:
true.

Jordan knowingly ignoring coaches and doctors masturbating in front of his student athletes should be no big deal.

just a cowardly smear.
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It will effectively end his craving to be house speaker or chair of an important committee. It won’t jail him but it will injure him politically.

And stop inferring things that aren’t implied. Cowardly smear?
 
Habsy said:
I’m sorry but I see support for Trump everywhere. Sure it’s anecdotal but it’s prevalent. People still quietly support him, don’t make the same mistake people made in 2016. You have to look at the support he’s getting from the states he won, the rest will never support him.
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If the polls (not the bullshit analysis of the polls by places like Huffpo, but the actual polls) were wildly off in 2016, I'd buy this.

and I have looked at support from the states he won. His support in pennsylvannia is down since the election, his support in Ohio is down https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...approval-poll-ohio-senate-governor/697671002/

So here's a broader look. It's from January so there's been some movement since (his overall approval is up a few points since then) but it's still pretty accurate to how things look right now

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He's just not a popular President.


Most Americans don’t follow that stuff or really care. He wins off ignorance and there is a lot of it.
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2 things, 1) 40% nationally is a massive amount of support. It's enough for his support to be in your face every day. 2) It's not enough to win a general election though.



I disagree. You can choose to live by polls but Trump is the dirty little secret that some voters keep close. They’re in the closet so to speak.
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Asked and answered sir




Fair.

I just see far too many people quietly supporting his bullshit. It’s worrisome.
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Again, I think it's easy when you're in the middle of it to see a large amount (40%) of loud support as a majority. It's not. And again, that's him riding high on a good, inherited economy that he doesn't understand and is currently in the process of tanking.
 
MindzEye said:
If the polls (not the bullshit analysis of the polls by places like Huffpo, but the actual polls) were wildly off in 2016, I'd buy this.

and I have looked at support from the states he won. His support in pennsylvannia is down since the election, his support in Ohio is down https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...approval-poll-ohio-senate-governor/697671002/

So here's a broader look. It's from January so there's been some movement since (his overall approval is up a few points since then) but it's still pretty accurate to how things look right now

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He's just not a popular President.




2 things, 1) 40% nationally is a massive amount of support. It's enough for his support to be in your face every day. 2) It's not enough to win a general election though.





Asked and answered sir






Again, I think it's easy when you're in the middle of it to see a large amount (40%) of loud support as a majority. It's not. And again, that's him riding high on a good, inherited economy that he doesn't understand and is currently in the process of tanking.
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Yeah, lets just hope that the Dems don't go too far to the right and force those independents, reluctant trump voters to vote for him.

Or lets hope that if the Dems do go far left that the turnout is enough to outmuscle trumps base.

Doesn't matter though, really. His supreme court will be driving the agenda for a while, long after he's out of office.
 
The Dems are currently too far left to win. That’s why there’s talk of Biden running.
 
God though, I do not want to see america during his reelection campaign.

We all think shit is bad now...
 
Habsy said:
The loudest Dems are currently too far left to win. That’s why there’s talk of Biden running.
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That wing of the party is currently sucking up all the air in the room, but I don't think the faction that won it for Hillary over Bernie is quite dead yet.
 
zeke said:
because running to the center has been so successful.
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In truth, I always advocated for moderates to run, in order to be able to compromise and try to work both sides of the aisle.

But after this President, I see no problem with a far left President ramming gay marriage, trans rights, abortion for all and at any stage, free healthcare, etc down the throats of conservatives.

The GOP is shamelessly doing it, the center is broken.
 
Altair said:
In truth, I always advocated for moderates to run, in order to be able to compromise and try to work both sides of the aisle.

But after this President, I see no problem with a far left President ramming gay marriage, trans rights, abortion for all and at any stage, free healthcare, etc down the throats of conservatives.

The GOP is shamelessly doing it, the center is broken.
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for the record, the "far left" in America is centrist in Canada.
 
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