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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

Yeah, with all the payroll space and the lack of competition for Harper/Machado it would be kind of the perfect timing to jump on adding an elite young superstar to form a 1-2 combo with Vlad for the foreseeable future. Shittkins would never do that though. And Rogers certainly wouldn't.

AA and Beeston probably would have tried.

Saying there is no reason to spend money is wrong. There is no point in spending money for no reason but spending it on quality acquisitions that address the long term future of the team is only positive.
 
Also, you'd hope any payroll reduction goes towards scouting, analytics, sports science, or at the very least grass at the Rogers Center. Though its likely going into Rogers pockets.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
Bryce Harper is deluxe J.D. Drew.
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You keep saying this like it's clever, but Drew didn't sign his big FA contract until he was 28 and despite the historic level of shit he ate from Boston fans, was a stud for them in the 07 playoffs. Also put up 13 WAR in the first 4 years of that 5 yr contract before falling apart to injury.

If Drew had signed a 10 yr deal at the same age Harper is now, he would have returned 33 WAR on the deal, despite only playing 8 of those seasons, and missing significant chunks of a few of the 8 that he did play in. So if Harper really is just "deluxe JD Drew", I don't think that's the gentle insult you mean it as. If "Deluxe JD Drew" give you 40+ WAR over the next 8 years of that deal, it's probably worth it.


If they were to go nuts on a guy for 8 years it should be Machado, and start Bo in AAA at 2B
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Why is Machado better? He's not as big of a stick as Harper and his ability to play SS seems to be slipping away from him (he was a below average defensive shorty for the first time in his career last year, and in all the areas you expect decline from a big SS losing a step).

and they're both *******s, so there's not a lot of difference in intangibles here.

The entire conversation is pointless because Shatkins/Rogers but still, the idea of blowing out our brains on a 3B (who has also seen decline in his 3B defence over the last few years) who plays a passable (for now) shorty but has less of a stick than a RF (which is actually a future position of need for us) is silly.
 
The funny bit is that now is the time to do it with so much cost controlled talent coming through the system. If you could get them on 8 yr deals (that's apparently what the White Sox have offered Machado) they would be expiring right as Vladdy, Bichette, SRF, etc would starting getting legit paid.

But yeah, risky.
 
Harper is a perfect fit here. We have the money and the need. And yeah, I know it's not happening.

However, putting players with Vladdy right now should be the objective. Not purposely allowing his Blue Jays window to get shorter.
 
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CaptainBolduke said:
Harper is a perfect fit here. We have the money and the need. And yeah, I know it's not happening.

However, putting players with Vladdy right now should be the objective. Not purposely allowing his Blue Jays window to get shorter.
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Yeah, Harper would be a pretty perfect fit. Jays have the cash, he should still be productive through the Vlad window, and you could even front-load the deal by tossing him 40-45M for this year to save on later years. But obviously for so many reasons, he won't sign here. It would make sense to do - that's why the White Sox are seemingly in on him or Machado - we're in a similar place to them, just we happen to be north of the border, with a shitty turf stadium, and management who suck.
 
leafman101 said:
Yeah, with all the payroll space and the lack of competition for Harper/Machado it would be kind of the perfect timing to jump on adding an elite young superstar to form a 1-2 combo with Vlad for the foreseeable future. Shittkins would never do that though. And Rogers certainly wouldn't.

AA and Beeston probably would have tried.

Saying there is no reason to spend money is wrong. There is no point in spending money for no reason but spending it on quality acquisitions that address the long term future of the team is only positive.
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Yeah, Beeston was going over 5 years, was he?
 
Atkins was on OverDrive last night and actually said they had a lot of internal conversation about Harper and that he'd look great between Vlad and Bo. He wouldn't say any more than that. Rogers would never fork over that kind of contract, but thats one of the first smart things I've heard out of his mouth. Credit where credit is due.
 
leafman101 said:
Atkins was on OverDrive last night and actually said they had a lot of internal conversation about Harper and that he'd look great between Vlad and Bo. He wouldn't say any more than that. Rogers would never fork over that kind of contract, but thats one of the first smart things I've heard out of his mouth. Credit where credit is due.
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heh. they sure have set a low bar.

Harper would be almost the ideal add for us. but it will never happen.
 
leafman101 said:
Atkins was on OverDrive last night and actually said they had a lot of internal conversation about Harper and that he'd look great between Vlad and Bo. He wouldn't say any more than that. Rogers would never fork over that kind of contract, but thats one of the first smart things I've heard out of his mouth. Credit where credit is due.
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Its just lip service. Even with the money, he and Shappy wouldn't spend that kind of dough on a single player. They're more than happy with low ceiling, cheap alternatives.
 
I can't recall a better fit for the Jays when you consider all the factors:

1) The Jays have virtually no money tied to players going forward.
2) The Jays have proven that they will spend (pre Shatkins).
3) The Jays have weakish OF prospects. And they need to add to that spot to help with the Vladdy years now.
4) Harper is only 26.
5) His contract will align with Vladdy's cheap years.

Other than the flawed philosophy that Shatkins has historically preached there is no reason to not be seriously looking at Harper.
 
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CaptainBolduke said:
I can't recall a better fit for the Jays when you consider all the factors:

1) The Jays have virtually no money tied to players going forward.
2) The Jays have proven that they will spend (pre Shatkins).
3) The Jays have weakish OF prospects. And they need add to that spot to help with the Vladdy years now.
4) Harper is only 26.
5) His contract will align with Vladdy's cheap years.

Other than the flawed philosophy that Shatkins has historically preached there is no reason to not be seriously looking at Harper.
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It takes 2 to tango, and I can't for the life of me see why Harper would sign here, unless if we just gave him a ton more money than anyone else. That being said, we could spend 60M this year and still not get back to last year's payroll, so the money could be there if we wanted to spend it. And as I said above, you can front-load it so that the deal goes down in value as Vlad+co's deals rise.
 
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