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2019 Carolina Hurricanes Off Season Thread

Yeah, no. Not going to happen. And for a paltry 2nd? I get it we'd be hard pressed to get a first for him in return, that being said, ain't no reason to trade him. He's one of few forwards we have who has definitely proven he can take a whooping and bounce back up. We really have no other heavy set forward like him, who can play down low like him. Staal is good, but different style. He's also got some peckiness to his game that we need.

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We all assume Haula and Dzingel will be together, but with Necas on their wing, boy.. some nights are going to be long. They better drive possession
 
TheBigKahuna said:
They aren't trading Nino. You can't just throw away talent like that, on a good contract. He fits in well. Looked really good. Unless Waddell and Brindy think last year was an anomaly, which is doubtful, he's not leaving.
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I don’t think they are either. But we’re full up at forward if Williams comes back.

Take a look at the top 9. Unless you’re sending Necas back to Charlotte, something has to give. Who are you trading?
 
JamesNorthern said:
Yeah, no. Not going to happen. And for a paltry 2nd? I get it we'd be hard pressed to get a first for him in return, that being said, ain't no reason to trade him. He's one of few forwards we have who has definitely proven he can take a whooping and bounce back up. We really have no other heavy set forward like him, who can play down low like him. Staal is good, but different style. He's also got some peckiness to his game that we need.

Niederreitter-Aho-Svech
Dzingel-Haula-Necas
Terravainen-Staal-Williams
Foegele-Wallmark/Martinook-McGinn

We all assume Haula and Dzingel will be together, but with Necas on their wing, boy.. some nights are going to be long. They better drive possession
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Are you alternating Wallmark and Martinook or Martinook and McGinn? If it’s the former, you’re taking out the only other center that won 50% of his faceoffs and replacing him with the worst faceoff guy on the team. If it’s the latter, that’s $4 million tied up at 4RW. For a team that will be pressing against the cap, that’s an unaffordable luxury. And Foegele and Wallmark are RFAs next summer, Wallmark has arbitration rights.
 
I fully agree with the above.

Wallmark is going to be in the lineup if all of those guys are healthy, he is the 4th line center. While Dundon is showing a willingness to allow the payroll to creep towards the cap, this team isn't about to start putting $2 million a year players in the press box as healthy extras (that is what a player like Gibbons is for, making only $700k). So while having those 13 guys might be great for roster flexibility and injury protection, the Canes are not going to be carrying those 13 players on the roster. That is why the 'if Williams returns, who in the top 9 goes?' discussions are valid here.

Nino is just an example. If you don't like that idea, then who goes? You have AHo, Svech, Teuvo, Staal, Dzingel, Haula who likely won't be dealt. Necas could be sent down. That just leaves Nino and McGinn (or Martinook) as trade options if a spot for Williams needs to be opened and you are keeping Necas in the NHL lineup.
 
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cmaleski2 said:
I would be ok with trading Nino in general, but the thought of doing so because we need to free up the roster spot for Justin Williams seems like a step backward doesn't it? Maybe less so if we trade Brock McGinn, because to me we have a few other kids who probably can do what he does. But either way, that seems sort of nuts to do.

I notice andyt that you didn't get a forward return for Nino in your scenario above. A 2nd round pick maybe? a depth Dman?

Waddell's job will be easier if Justin Williams retires. It will interesting to see what happens if he doesn't. I think the Canes have done an excellent job hedging if Williams retires, but you are right andyt, something else significant will need to happen to the current list of forwards for him to play next season unless we are going with zero rookies at forward next season (which is entirely possible).
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IMO you don't trade a guy in his prime who can play on your first line in order to sign a veteran player to a one year deal ... like ever. You can trade him to find someone who is a better fit or for a host of other reasons, but not simply to make cap room for an old guy. No matter if that old guy is your Captain.

That's why I settled on McGinn. He's slightly over-paid and we already know that his upside is middle 6 at best. That's the guy to sacrifice.
 
TheBigKahuna said:
They aren't trading Nino. You can't just throw away talent like that, on a good contract. He fits in well. Looked really good. Unless Waddell and Brindy think last year was an anomaly, which is doubtful, he's not leaving.
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I agree, it's absurd to even consider trading Nino for anything right now, folks need to take a long hard look at the Canes record once Nino arrived and it was also grand theft what Waddell did in exchange for Nino in that trade for Rask, so he's not going anywhere. McGinn to me is an expensive luxury at over $2 million per for what he does...dont get me wrong, I love McGinn, but the offensive upside will always be 10-15 goals a year max and he rarely drops the gloves to be even able to say he could ever fill that void with Ferland gone when need be in the toughness department. Meanalanen to me is the affordable McGinn replacement if the Canes felt the need to move McGinn to fit Williams in financially.

The injury bug will eventually hit a forward, and once it does, you make Necas the first call up from Charlotte if he starts the year in the AHL because there is no room at forward out of training camp.
 
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I think Maenalanen is probably gone unless he's willing to slog his way back from Charlotte again, simply due to numbers at his position(s). If he could play center with a straight face he'd have a job for sure. They signed Gibbons and McCormick to be the swing/extra guys along with Bishop, and you'll still have Geekie, Gauthier and Kuokkanen who can fill upwards in case of injury to a like player.

Welcome to being close enough to the Cap that you have to make tough choices.
 
andyt said:
I don’t think they are either. But we’re full up at forward if Williams comes back.

Take a look at the top 9. Unless you’re sending Necas back to Charlotte, something has to give. Who are you trading?
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Im not trading anyone to make room for Williams. I'd sent someone down if needed, or maybe move McGinn. But no way do I give away a good player on a good contract for Williams. Can Willy play 4th line? That's where he trajects.

Maybe he should have made his decision sooner.
 
TheBigKahuna said:
Im not trading anyone to make room for Williams. I'd sent someone down if needed, or maybe move McGinn. But no way do I give away a good player on a good contract for Williams. Can Willy play 4th line? That's where he trajects.

Maybe he should have made his decision sooner.
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I agree. If Willie comes back you have the flexibility to be able to make a trade but you make the trade because it makes you better not because it allows you to fit Williams for 1 year. If there’s a guy you think you’d like to move and you can get a good return then Williams allows you to do that. But no way just to make a spot for him.


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cmon3 said:
I agree. If Willie comes back you have the flexibility to be able to make a trade but you make the trade because it makes you better not because it allows you to fit Williams for 1 year. If there’s a guy you think you’d like to move and you can get a good return then Williams allows you to do that. But no way just to make a spot for him.


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That seems to be the general consensus, but do note that Williams gave the Canes an average of 52 points per season over the last 2 years, and is coming off of a 23 goal season. It's nice to think about what a guy like Necas (or fill in the blank with whomever) will offer, but Williams offers proven production even in his dotage. I'm not saying he'll be good for 20+ goals again, especially if his role is reduced ... but the guy ain't chopped liver, even as an old dude. And that isn't even accounting for what what he offers in terms of leadership ... which is substantial. If he wants to play, you figure something out to make that happen.
 
jeffbear said:
That seems to be the general consensus, but do note that Williams gave the Canes an average of 52 points per season over the last 2 years, and is coming off of a 23 goal season. It's nice to think about what a guy like Necas (or fill in the blank with whomever) will offer, but Williams offers proven production even in his dotage. I'm not saying he'll be good for 20+ goals again, especially if his role is reduced ... but the guy ain't chopped liver, even as an old dude. And that isn't even accounting for what what he offers in terms of leadership ... which is substantial. If he wants to play, you figure something out to make that happen.
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Yes but that something isn’t something that hurts us long term. You don’t dump Nino for example. If it’s a 1 guy move it could be someone for future assets. Or a multiplayer move that upgrades a top 6 position.


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I am again glad they made the moves they had to make this offseason to provide the missing middle depth, with or without Justin Williams.

No need to panic or over-slot if he decided to retire. Able to make some value judgements and/or fine-tune the upper 9 forwards if he decides he's got another season in him.

Frankly, we could stand the leadership and been-there-done-that from him for at least another season. Plus, as jeffbear points out, he did kick out a 50+ point season with over 20 goals. That's way more than we'll ever see from someone like McGinn. No-brainer upgrade, and maybe even for nearly the same base salary with the rest being performance bonuses.

Lots of line combinations and ability to adjust to injuries or hot/cold streaks with this roster. Looking forward to skating and forechecking a few teams to death rolling wave after wave of four solid lines at them.
 
andyt said:
Cherkers hire Pat Dwyer as an assistant coach. Since leaving the Canes after the 14-15 season, he played I year for MoDo, 1 year with the Cherkers, 1 year in Denmark and 1 year in Northern Ireland, in the British Elite League.

I always assumed he’d follow the Jeff Daniels path. I think he’ll make a good coach.

https://www.nhl.com/hurricanes/news/canes-hire-patrick-dwyer-as-checkers-assistant-coach/c-308393532


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Yup. Maybe one of the more natural coaching candidates the organization has had as a player. I don't think it surprises anyone who watched him play to see him head into coaching.
 
cmon3 said:
Yes but that something isn’t something that hurts us long term. You don’t dump Nino for example. If it’s a 1 guy move it could be someone for future assets. Or a multiplayer move that upgrades a top 6 position.


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Agreed. Again, you don't do anything long term dumb to accommodate a short term move. And 37 year old wingers are by nature short term players.
 
Elsker said:
I am again glad they made the moves they had to make this offseason to provide the missing middle depth, with or without Justin Williams.

No need to panic or over-slot if he decided to retire. Able to make some value judgements and/or fine-tune the upper 9 forwards if he decides he's got another season in him.

Frankly, we could stand the leadership and been-there-done-that from him for at least another season. Plus, as jeffbear points out, he did kick out a 50+ point season with over 20 goals. That's way more than we'll ever see from someone like McGinn. No-brainer upgrade, and maybe even for nearly the same base salary with the rest being performance bonuses.

Lots of line combinations and ability to adjust to injuries or hot/cold streaks with this roster. Looking forward to skating and forechecking a few teams to death rolling wave after wave of four solid lines at them.
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I agree however if you need to make space you don’t do it by dumping assets for below value. If you want to move McGinn or really anyone else to free up a spot fine. But it needs to be a move that makes us better overall. Otherwise you sit someone and eat salary. I doubt Dundon has a problem with that. You’re going to need the depth, and if not some other team will and opportunities open up.


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If he decides to play again, I think we sign him one year at a reasonable price.
We can have some depth and see how things start out of the gate. Things will likely shakeout a bit differently by the end of training camp at least
What we have to realize is that if Necas can't produce yet on a top line maybe he's best suite developing one more year in the A? I can't see him developing properly playing on a shutdown type line.
Yeah these are good problems to have I guess.
 
andyt said:
It’s just a little bit different than the last 9 offseasons, isn’t it?
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The entire concept of being a team that's anywhere near the cap is so foreign to me that I'm going to be disoriented for a while. That's more like 14 years of weirdness than just the 9 without playoffs.
 
jeffbear said:
The entire concept of being a team that's anywhere near the cap is so foreign to me that I'm going to be disoriented for a while. That's more like 14 years of weirdness than just the 9 without playoffs.
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The other thing that seems so foreign to this org is the fact that they now have the depth and young prospects being developed the right way that you can sprinkle in good young talent around the high paid talent and still make things work moving forward. In today's cap world, most of the teams that do well are the ones that can both afford to pay their stars well and still have enough solid young pieces to round things out to build a good team without being in cap hell. With the likes of Necas, Bean, Ned, Gauthier, Kukkonan, Suzuki, etc in the wings, it sure seems like the plan is in place.
 
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