Les Habitants Prospects Thread
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GrandWazoo
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He’s doing what he needs to be doing right now. No more no less. Let’s see how he adjust to the pros.
Sal_Butera
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Wonder if there’s a hockey East rematch BU vs BC in Frozen Four finals April 13th - making April 15/16 back-to-back vs Red Wings Hutson’s NHL debut
GGpX
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I love the optimism for Owen Beck, however let's play a game, shall we?
During their final years of Junior (Regular season stats only). Both centers, one is left handed while the other is right handed, same height, player B is slightly heavier. Both have had their ventures on Team Canada while having... less than great results, to say the least. One played in the OHL, the other played in the QMJHL.
Player A
60GP 28G 82A 110PTS (82GP 38G 112A 150PTS)
Player B
57GP 34G 47A 81PTS (82GP 48G 67A 115PTS)
One of the two players is obviously Owen Beck, but can you guess who the other one is?
The other player has completely fallen off since going pro, to the point of him being a complete after thought in the prospect pool.
Point is, the fact that Beck is scoring in his final year of Junior is virtually meaningless to me. Patrick Holland (Remember him?) had a 109 point season in the WHL, couldn't hack it in the NHL. Beck's point totals are meaningless to me. He could have put up a goal / game and I'd still have same opinion of him: He's got major offensive limitations.
The Owen Beck hype needs to calm down. This notion that he's a Ryan O'Reilly type, or that he's got potential as a second line center... Please.
During their final years of Junior (Regular season stats only). Both centers, one is left handed while the other is right handed, same height, player B is slightly heavier. Both have had their ventures on Team Canada while having... less than great results, to say the least. One played in the OHL, the other played in the QMJHL.
Player A
60GP 28G 82A 110PTS (82GP 38G 112A 150PTS)
Player B
57GP 34G 47A 81PTS (82GP 48G 67A 115PTS)
One of the two players is obviously Owen Beck, but can you guess who the other one is?
The other player has completely fallen off since going pro, to the point of him being a complete after thought in the prospect pool.
Point is, the fact that Beck is scoring in his final year of Junior is virtually meaningless to me. Patrick Holland (Remember him?) had a 109 point season in the WHL, couldn't hack it in the NHL. Beck's point totals are meaningless to me. He could have put up a goal / game and I'd still have same opinion of him: He's got major offensive limitations.
The Owen Beck hype needs to calm down. This notion that he's a Ryan O'Reilly type, or that he's got potential as a second line center... Please.
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
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Is the other one McCarron?
Player B is a way better player
Kidney played in a bad league and his NHL pro potential was and will always be slim to none
You will be amazed
GrandWazoo
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Now you’re being dishonest. If he was scoring a goal a game, the conversation would be different. He’s got pro game qualities and I agree that his offensive potential is limited, but I think he can find a chair in our bottom 6.
CH1
The Artist Formerly Known as chiggins.
Also, what’s the problem?
Many fans were optimistic about Kidney before this season. So what if he didn’t pan out.
Doesn’t impact what happens to Beck. It’s not like fans (or HuGo) are directing all their optimism his way. We’ll survive if Beck fails as a pro… in the meantime, some of us will cheer him on.
Many fans were optimistic about Kidney before this season. So what if he didn’t pan out.
Doesn’t impact what happens to Beck. It’s not like fans (or HuGo) are directing all their optimism his way. We’ll survive if Beck fails as a pro… in the meantime, some of us will cheer him on.
GrandWazoo
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We also need like 8 more forwards.
CH1
The Artist Formerly Known as chiggins.
ie 35 prospects
GGpX
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No, it wouldn't. It absolutely wouldn't.
Some of you keep acting like there isn't a long, long history of 19/20 year old players putting up gaudy numbers in the CHL who couldn't when they were younger. It's like clockwork. Every single year, you have multiple 19/20 year old players who come out of nowhere and put up eye-popping stats... and then vanish into thin air once they have to play against actual adults.
His point totals are irrelevant at this point in his career. Completely irrelevant. They mean absolutely nothing when he couldn't put up numbers at any level.
What is actually relevant, though? When put in a situation to play with players of his own age at a higher level than the OHL, he wasn't an impact player. On a relatively weak edition of Team Canada, he wasn't one of their top players. Being a top player on Canada's WJC isn't a guarantee he'll be a top player in the NHL by any stretch, but at least it's something you can point to. But he couldn't even stand out there on a team filled with whatever-caliber prospects.
Reminder: Prior to this season, Owen Beck has no history of offensive potential. None. Not even a little bit. Take a player like Nate Danielson, who doesn't have a huge upside (and was still hilariously taken 9th overall)... He was a prolific scorer before getting into Junior.
So, all I ask is, can some of you have realistic expectations for the guy instead of saying we have a future second line center, or a player like Ryan O'Reilly? You know, actual things that some people wrote here? He's a second line center the same way Jake Evans is a second line center: On one of the worst teams in the NHL when two of the four centers that started the year in front of him, along with a winger that could player center, got injured and there was literally nobody else that could be slotted there.
GGpX
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About that...
He's already running out of racetrack. He doesn't quite have as much time as you'd think.
The thing with the modern day NHL is, prospects need to make an impact almost immediately at the AHL level. If they're in year 1 and they don't? You can pretty much write them off. Most prospects don't come back from that.
Take William Trudeau last year. He was getting close to getting called up. Fast-forward a year later? Struble's ahead of him now. Hutson & Engstrom are about to sign their ELCs. Unfortunately for him, the probabilities of Trudeau ever making it barring a string of long-term injuries to multiple players in front of him are virtually nil.
There's a new batch of forwards going to Laval next year who are going to do their best to push Kidney down the depth chart.
Kapanen, maybe Xhekaj & Tuch, maybe an undrafted player from the CHL or NCAA. That doesn't seem like much (and you're right, it isn't), but as a fourth line AHL winger, all of those players are competing for his job & playing time.
Tremendous game. Leonard was the star. Glad we passed on Michkov and him last draft.