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LeafOfFaith said:
It's like making a deal with Hitler. You're kidding yourself.
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Except they held to the deal during the duration the US stayed in it. Again, Israeli intelligence seems to know everything about these fucking people and the only justification Bibi was able to generate in 2018 tp try to get Trump to scrap the deal was a program that was cancelled 15 years prior.

This is why the deal had monitoring and enforcement mechanisms and it was working. That Iran exited the deal 4-5 years ago and appear to still be "at least 3 years away" from being capable of producing a weapon (but don't appear to be trying to) speaks to how well the JCPOA was working.

But you're going to ignore all of the actual evidence and just repeat the same nonsense you've been doing, so carry on.
 
MindzEye said:
If the replacement isn't worse.



Negotiations and agreements have a much better track record at creating stability than armed regime change does and it's not even fucking close.
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There’s also generally no better way to bolster support for a regime than an enemy state attacking it from the outside.

Anyone who claims to believe that Israel & America can bomb Iranians into rising up and installing an Israel & America-friendly government is either lying or delusional.

Shades of Bush & co claiming that Iraqis would welcome American forces with flowers.
 
LeafGm said:
There’s also generally no better way to bolster support for a regime than an enemy state attacking it from the outside.

Anyone who claims to believe that Israel & America can bomb Iranians into rising up and installing an Israel & America-friendly government is either lying or delusional.

Shades of Bush & co claiming that Iraqis would welcome American forces with flowers.
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One of two "regimes" replace this one. Either a military regime, or the cleric class. As in, nothing will actually fucking change other than someone else from one of the two sides of the existing power structure stepping in and saying the words Trump & Bibi want to hear.

There's no other organizations in the country capable of organizing the power of the state. If we look at Iraq and Afghanistan, the power that was used to reorganize the power of the state was the US military....by putting boots on the ground. This resulted in two broken ass governments, one of which has already fallen to the previous power structure and the other is considered the most corrupt and broken government in the middle east, that is pretty ripe for authoritarianism again.

A "new" regime in Iran will take this as a lesson in why they badly need a bomb for survival. If you look at their immediate geographic area, they border 6 countries and almost border a 7th (Kuwait). Of those 7, only 2 haven't been invaded over the last 70 years. Turkmenistan...which Russia considers part of it's traditional orbit, and would 100% try to re absorb in the future if their other endeavours are successful, but for now is about the most remote country in the universe and isn't worth invading...and Pakistan, which has nukes. Everyone else has been invaded at least once in the last 70 years, including themselves.

I'm obviously not saying that we should allow them to develop nukes, but any regime, whether this one or the next, are going to eventually see nuclear weapons as an existential necessity and these legacy programs don't just evaporate when you throw a few missiles at the facilities.

This is not a winning strategy long term.
 
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LeafOfFaith said:
I trust them, bro. You should too. This is all for our benefit.
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LeafOfFaith said:

View: https://www.instagram.com/p/DK2YR_FuL89/

This has been popping up a lot, from one of the best of the best, Douglas Murray.

Everyone can say what they want publicly, but this is how you're feeling privately, whether you want to admit it or not. And if you can't, that's a shame, but whatever.
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Prominent public intellectual Douglas Murray is facing criticism over comments he made at the National Conservatism Conference which critics say downplayed the Holocaust and Nazism.

Speaking at the conference Murray said: “There was nothing wrong with nationalism in Britain. It's just that there was something wrong with nationalism in Germany.”

“I don't see why no one should be allowed to love their country because the Germans mucked up twice in a century.”
 
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