OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

zeke said:

it may well have failed regardless.

But the fact that they pretty much just pissed all over the elite team they inherited and never actually went all in and tried to win is inexcusable to me. They actually traded for prospects at the 2016 trade deadline. In a season they could have won the world series. unreal.

Given our two decades of no playoffs, and given shapiro's rare playoff appearances in all his years in the weak central, it's inexcusable to me that they didn't respect or value the roster they had and done everything to try and win.

Especially since the only downside would be us being no worse than we are now, just more expensive for a couple years.

It was clear to me from day one that winning is an afterthought to these guys. It doesn't drive them. It is much more important for them to be seen as clever efficient asset handlers, than to make bold moves to win that could make them look bad. The truth is that those back to back ALCS teams were an inconvenience for shapkins - they got in the way of the teardown rebuild that they really wanted to do.

and now here we are now - we have received no benefit from not going all in a couple years ago other than some payroll space we're not using anyways, and we have to console ourselves by saying it wouldn't have mattered anyways if we had tried.

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“That means having the discipline to understand that we’ve got to ensure that our players when they transition that they transition at their pace, and not at a pace that’s demanding them to come up to perform, to produce wins, not at a pace that’s unfair. And then, secondarily, we’ve got to make sure we have the opportunities for them so that when they do transition they’re not coming in as complementary pieces, and that’s a difficult balance. …

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leafman101 said:

"we want to develop our prospects in a situation where they are not expected to perform or win"

This disaster decade may be worth it just for this idiots quotes.

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Wayward DP said:

pretty much every time they talk it makes me want to punch them in the mouth

have they ever once talked about actually winning, or contending for the World Series?

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“So, to call it a developmental year, for us we’re not just signing up and saying, ‘OK, we’re going to have whatever number of losses this year.’ We’re going to go into it making the organization better every day in some way – which we’ve continued to do from Day 1 – and as that continues to happen at some point that’s going to turn into an organization that has a sustainable winning environment.”

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Wayward DP said:

pretty much every time they talk it makes me want to punch them in the mouth

have they ever once talked about actually winning, or contending for the World Series?

it's just a damn shame that they are in charge for the Vladdy years. He could be the best Jay ever, but they will ensure that we win nothing of consequence before he walks.

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zeke said:

the sad part is at this point i'd probably rather keep them.

the team is in sad shape now, and there's no getting around that, so might as well let them build up the best scouting and development system they can. that kind of infrastructure should help future GMs.

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zeke said:

the sad part is at this point i'd probably rather keep them.

the team is in sad shape now, and there's no getting around that, so might as well let them build up the best scouting and development system they can. that kind of infrastructure should help future GMs.

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UWHabs said:

Part of me is fine punting with them in charge for the next bit, but I really don't want to get into a case where they continue to screw things up for the next couple years, then a new GM comes in and has to start over, all while wasting Vlad's time.

But on the flipside, I know they're not going to get fired for a couple years, since Shapiro was brought in to be the new Beeston, basically he's here forever until he retires or finds another gig. Maybe at some point he decides to fire Atkins, but even then, presumably he'll still want essentially full control over things, so not like whatever other puppet he brings in will really be any better.

So, we're down to just hoping that Shatkins actually now have a plan, and that that plan will actually work. Always a chance...

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zeke said:

the sad part is at this point i'd probably rather keep them.

the team is in sad shape now, and there's no getting around that, so might as well let them build up the best scouting and development system they can. that kind of infrastructure should help future GMs.

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