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2025-2026 Off Season Thread - The Rehappening

Meh. Wouldn't move our needle. Not a bad deal but unless it's a real upgrade I'm entirely good with the #RobbieResurrection, which for the sake of efficiency will just be referred to as the #Robbierection going forward
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
I kinda really like this deal
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nothing wrong with it value-wise. would have been arguable if Brad had done it. the nerdies like him.

but then you think - do you really want to be spending $4+mil on a 29yr old that can't seem to hack it at C and that no team wants to give top-6 minutes to?

nothing wrong with the deal but I'm happy to avoid those and save it for a bigger fish. hopefully brad is thinking the same.
 
Even with an expected drop in shooting percentage, Prius offers excellent D and PK, and he’s not a black hole on offense.

On the minus side, he’s undersized and not good at face offs
 
CH1 said:
Even with an expected drop in shooting percentage, Prius offers excellent D and PK, and he’s not a black hole on offense.

On the minus side, he’s undersized and not good at face offs
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MindzEye said:
Last 2 years:

1st Apples:

Marner: 38
Domi: 37
Matthews: 31
(Maccelli in his 22-24 yrs): 28
Nylander: 27
Tavares: 27
Rielly: 27

2nd Apples:

Mitch: 26
McCabe: 19
Domi: 16
Matthews: 15
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I get your point, but you're also dismissing the fact that the second assist is often critical to the play, sometimes even more critical than the first assist.

And in any event, Marner was +10 over the next forward in that department, which speaks to his involvement in and ability to make the play that leads to the goal.

I'm slightly comforted by the fact that he wasn't that far ahead of the others on first assists.

But should PP and SH really be excluded from these totals?

And putting all of this aside, last year only two guys had more total - Kucherov and MacKinnon.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
but you're also dismissing the fact that the second assist is often critical to the play, sometimes even more critical than the first assist.
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Yes, I will dismiss that forever especially the second part because it's insane nonsense.

Moving the puck efficiently overall is critical to maintaining puck possession which is critical to generating offence. But the vast, vast majority of 2nd assists are relatively simple things like passing to a player in space, in a non scoring area and just maintaining basic puck possession. It's far, far less important than being able to use passing to create scoring chances (which manifest as 1A's) and even that is far less important than the ability to shoot the puck in the net. From a defender, it's an analogue for how well they move the puck out of their zone with possession (controlled exits), from a F though? At best an analogue of how much the puck is on their stick and the quality of players they're out there with.

LeafOfFaith said:
I'm slightly comforted by the fact that he wasn't that far ahead of the others on first assists.
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and actually behind when viewed per minute played....and also spent almost every 5v5 minute of his life next to the best goal scorer of this generation.

1st Assists/60

1: Domi - 1.18
2: Marner - 1.04
(Maccelli 22-24) - .88
3: Matthews - .85


LeafOfFaith said:
But should PP and SH really be excluded from these totals?
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Yes, because someone else will fill those roles and they'll also produce in them. PP production specifically, is heavily influenced by usage. As in, if you don't get minutes with the 1st unit, you won't show strong production. It's why all of a sudden the counting stats on the boys started increasing after Babcock was fired. You can have awesome rate stats, but if you're playing 16-17 minutes a night, you're not going to put up big counting stats.

1st PP Apples is one place Marner looks really hard to replace on the surface. But imo that's at least partially because the entire PP was based upon Mitch holding the puck waiting to pass it into the net and ragging it around back and forth around the perimeter until there was a shot-pass he wanted to make. Play generation by committee will probably make our PP better, not worse, despite losing the 4.02 1A/60 from Mitch (Maccelli fwiw, in 22-24 was a 3.23). In true Mitch fashion, his 1.82G/60 on the power play was way behind the other 3 forwards he was tidal locked on the 1st unit with, and behind a few guys who only ever get spot duty on the 2nd unit.

As for shorties...Mitch has 2 in the last 2 seasons combined. Willy has 3 somehow. I think we'll get by.

Sam Reinhart is the PP weapon Mitch was supposed to be I guess. 10 shorties over the last 2 seasons. Mitch tied for 51st in the NHL. Yeah, we'll manage.
 
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Not shorthanded goals, but shorthanded assists. Feels like he was in on a lot of our SHGs.

I don't know what to say about his PP production other than we saw this guy for 9 years. He was legit amazing offensively most of the time. It's hard to look at stats now and say meh he wasn't all that good. Big time betrayal of a decade's worth of the eye test.

I'm much less comforted by any stats that show Domi is next best after Mitch. Much less comforted, much more scared.

And you don't know hockey if you don't commonly see goals where the guy with the second assist did all sorts of shit to create the play, then passes it off to a guy who either simply makes an easy pass or takes a shot and has the rebound knocked in. Hundreds of these a year probably.

And again, only two guys better in the raw totals.
 
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