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MindzEye said:
Should he have tho?
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Does our opinion matter when we're evaluating how executives around the league value the player? If he's made available, at least half the league would be heavily interested. Including the adorahabs!

He's just not trash heap at this stage.
 
Preston said:
Does our opinion matter when we're evaluating how executives around the league value the player? If he's made available, at least half the league would be heavily interested. Including the adorahabs!

He's just not trash heap at this stage.
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Who said he was trash heap? I've just given a bunch of examples of similar players being traded, the only one who was "off of the trash heap" was Zacha and really he was just a good 3C UFA with elite nerdies that Boston thought could do more, and he did.

None of the other names I mentioned were off of the trash heap at all.
 
MindzEye said:
I'm just pointing out what he's probably worth if the Isles were actually trading him. We've seen a bunch of similar players traded over the last 5 years and it wasn't some massive valuation on any of them. Add Nelson, Coyle, Miller to the list of similar level players traded over the last few years. 1st + good prospect or thereabouts gets it done pretty much every time.
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The goal posts have moved slightly. I was responding to LOFs offer of a (very late) first and a poor prospect.

That’s B Schenn territory, not Horvat
 
CH1 said:
The goal posts have moved slightly. I was responding to LOFs offer of a (very late) first and a poor prospect.
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Oh yeah thats why I thought that was the implication. A team Canada national and legit 2 way center at a reasonable contract is gonna have nice trade value if made available.

But I agree, the return is never as much as the true perceived worth of the player once that team makes them available. The only chance of getting him if the isles don't want to move him is to drastically overpay and give them no choice. And the isles probably won't want to move him so yeah.
 
CH1 said:
The goal posts have moved slightly. I was responding to LOFs offer of a (very late) first and a poor prospect.
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Sure, but I asked you to describe his value and you chose not to. I don't subscribe to LoF's theory of: If you try hard enough everyone will give you everything for nothing theory, but he wasn't that far off in the value returned by similar players. A 1st and a B+ prospect is pretty much the most any of these guys have gone for over the last bunch of seasons.
 
Preston said:
I didn't really read your post tbh
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Using my own joke against me just isn't fair.
 
MindzEye said:
Sure, but I asked you to describe his value and you chose not to. I don't subscribe to LoF's theory of: If you try hard enough everyone will give you everything for nothing theory, but he wasn't that far off in the value returned by similar players. A 1st and a B+ prospect is pretty much the most any of these guys have gone for over the last bunch of seasons.
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ME: Schenn cost = Horvat cost
CH1: NO!

ME: I have stats. And sometimes players with those stats are available in the bargain bin
CH1: Good luck.
 
MindzEye said:
Sure, but I asked you to describe his value and you chose not to. I don't subscribe to LoF's theory of: If you try hard enough everyone will give you everything for nothing theory, but he wasn't that far off in the value returned by similar players. A 1st and a B+ prospect is pretty much the most any of these guys have gone for over the last bunch of seasons.
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I actually did better than that - a 1st, Robertson, and more.
 
MindzEye said:
LoF's theory of: If you try hard enough everyone will give you everything for nothing theory
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For the record, and to state the obvious, that's not the theory.

Trading is sales. You have to be able to properly position and persuade. Even then, you're not going to close on the sale every time, or even regularly, if you're targeting quality. But if you target the right player, in the right situation, with the right opposing GM, and are good at what you do, you should be able to achieve a lot.

And part of the game is not advancing through shit for stars type offers. It's about gradually building up an asset, into a bit of a better asset, and then into an even better asset, and so on, until you see the trade tree and marvel at how you turned a not so great asset into a very good one over the course of a few transactions. There was a fantastic animated video that I'd always see on IG that perfectly illustrated the basic concept, but for the life of me, I can't remember the characters of it to search for it. It was some bird or something that took an item of marginal value and traded it to someone with a need and got something slightly more useful, and kept trading up until the nothing item became something really good. There's no magic to the process, and it applies to everything, especially trading with dummy GMs.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
For the record, and to state the obvious, that's not the theory.

Trading is sales. You have to be able to properly position and persuade. Even then, you're not going to close on the sale every time, or even regularly, if you're targeting quality. But if you target the right player, in the right situation, with the right opposing GM, and are good at what you do, you should be able to achieve a lot.

And part of the game is not advancing through shit for stars type offers. It's about gradually building up an asset, into a bit of a better asset, and then into an even better asset, and so on, until you see the trade tree and marvel at how you turned a not so great asset into a very good one over the course of a few transactions. There was a fantastic animated video that I'd always see on IG that perfectly illustrated the basic concept, but for the life of me, I can't remember the characters of it to search for it. It was some bird or something that took an item of marginal value and traded it to someone with a need and got something slightly more useful, and kept trading up until the nothing item became something really good. There's no magic to the process, and it applies to everything, especially trading with dummy GMs.
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I feel like fantasy sports with you would be pain.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
I feel like fantasy sports with you would be pain.
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I almost always won or just missed winning. It's just super time consuming to do that every time, so I haven't done it in many years.

But if you're implying that I'd be harassing anyone, quite the contrary. You just plant seeds and make conversation and wait for that moment to strike. And little by little you trade up bad assets into good ones.
 
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