HockeyPat
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Well then, all your thoughts are null and void. Please feal free to try again! Damn it!
Francis out as GM.....link
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Well then, all your thoughts are null and void. Please feal free to try again! Damn it!
SlapShots
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The insular nature of hockey is noted-- kind of like a bunch of alcoholics. You can't work with us unless you've been one of us. That kind of rigid thinking can get you nowhere fast and eliminates any chance at innovation. Good to know the hockey community is behind Ron Francis. You want folks to have your back, but those old farts have only one way of looking at things.
I am not sold on Dundon, but I am also tired of losing and tired of being the butt end of jokes. I am tired of not having decent personnel. I am tired of losing close games because of a lack of killer instinct. I am tired of players not standing up for themselves or their teammates. So, if anything that Dundon proposes and implements work, let those hockey pundits and old farts eat their hats. I want to win, I want play off hockey, I want one of our guys to make the cover of NHL Hockey video games, I want people outside our market to want a Hurricanes jersey. Thus, let Mr. Dundon try and innovate-- the same old, same old has done nothing with this team.
I am not sold on Dundon, but I am also tired of losing and tired of being the butt end of jokes. I am tired of not having decent personnel. I am tired of losing close games because of a lack of killer instinct. I am tired of players not standing up for themselves or their teammates. So, if anything that Dundon proposes and implements work, let those hockey pundits and old farts eat their hats. I want to win, I want play off hockey, I want one of our guys to make the cover of NHL Hockey video games, I want people outside our market to want a Hurricanes jersey. Thus, let Mr. Dundon try and innovate-- the same old, same old has done nothing with this team.
SlapShots
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When I read that in the N&O this weekend, all I could think of was an owner parroting the current coach and former GM. I didn't find those quotes quite as genuine as I'd like, or perhaps a bit too party line spoken by someone a bit naive. I am pragmatic enough to know it's now what's said, but what is the behavior. Dundon has got to show me. So, if Peters is still here in May, the GM hired is a stooge, and we're not making any significant on ice personnel changes, you've shown me nothing and my entertainment dollar is going elsewhere.
CanadaCanes
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I'm waiting to see the new GM hire and how quickly he takes assessment of the current situation once he arrives. You have to believe with that hand picked GM choice for Dundon, the new guy is going to want to put his own stamp on things after some of those "healthy" disagreements and battles Dundon says he likes to have. If I'm Peters, I'm not making permanent long term plans here just yet...
Correct, but the majority of the newer crop of owners have been fairly quiet, back of house kinds of folks who hire traditional hockey people to be the face of the operation. Dundon is a VERY different proposition and the idiots who talk about hockey for a living really have no idea what to do with newcomers who speak their minds. Other than to hammer away at them like the xenophobic little trolls they are, of course.
Again ... not so much defending anything Dundon himself, or anything he has done specifically so much as defending his right to act like the owner of his own club.
CarolinaPen
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I read an article by LeBrun on the Athletic site that seems to think the Canes could be a player for Erik Karlsson over the summer. I would personally be all for that move as it would finally give the Canes the superstar player they lack and he is still young. I know it won't address the hole at #1 center but he would make the team a lot more fun to watch and the marketing department would love that move.
Greeley came out of the Rangers organization, and has only been in Buffahole for about a year. I think most people remember Fitzgerald from his time as a player (early Preds captain). He's been in personnel for the Pens and Devs for awhile now. Solid rep as a player development guy.
Karlsson would also mean that they could move on from Faulk, or at least slot him in a way that more appropriately reflects his actual abilities. Karlsson is exactly the kind of big time No. 1 D that we've never really had in this organization since they decided that Pronger was too immature for the role. And yes ... that's a long bloody time. And no ... Wesley was an all time franchise great but was really only a shutdown guy for the Canes. Slavin is more that type.
bagopux
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Karlsson has a 10-team no trade clause and is signed through next season. Even if he were to not nix a trade, why would he sign here long term (unless we pull off the coup of the decade and get Tavares too)? Question: If a player has a limited NTC, how often can he change his listed teams? If he submitted a list at the deadline and it doesn't include Carolina, can he update it after he hears chatter that we might be a player?
Somehow, however improbable, if we could get both Karlsson and Tavares it would be a great investment of TD's money and show the hockey world that the Canes actually are for real and are going for it all! BUT: NOW who would we want to go after in goal, spending more of Tom's dough? Marvelous fantasy. Hey, if you don't have dreams, all you have left are nightmares. And we've had too many of those!
On GM: I read TD is going to talk to Futa - ewww, maybe too old school and too tied to Lombardi's way. I'd like Brisebois but he might prefer MTL and might jump ship if that was dangled later. Or Fenton as he has been learning from Poile.
On Faulk: (OT for this thread...) What bugs me most is that he started as a very good shut-down defenseman until he got a taste for scoring and now he's trying to channel Paul Coffey an' ain't got that kind of talent.
On GM: I read TD is going to talk to Futa - ewww, maybe too old school and too tied to Lombardi's way. I'd like Brisebois but he might prefer MTL and might jump ship if that was dangled later. Or Fenton as he has been learning from Poile.
On Faulk: (OT for this thread...) What bugs me most is that he started as a very good shut-down defenseman until he got a taste for scoring and now he's trying to channel Paul Coffey an' ain't got that kind of talent.
Those lists are rarely if ever a specific article in a contract. In other words, those lists are fluid and basically consist of whatever teams the player feels good/bad about at any one time. As to why ... I mean, he doesn't have to play for anybody, but if he wants to get paid top dollar then he's got to narrow it down to the current NHL teams. Not all of them are great ... in fact, not many of them are great. And newsflash ... if they're already great without you, then chances are they don't need you. If you have a halfway decent looking roster and enough money, he'll sign with whoever. Same as any other player.
TheBigKahuna
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Friedman is reporting that Futa said no to the Canes.
Given that our owner is looking for a very specific working relationship with his new GM, I'm going to guess that it's going to take a LOT of candidates before we find a keeper. And the media will portray every one of them as having rejected Carolina ... to the point where that becomes the narrative. Watch.
This is a case where it probably would have been a good idea to hire a search firm if for no other reason than to give one layer of anonymity to the process and thus shield the organization from negative press.
TheBigKahuna
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No one wants to work for a defunct franchise that disrespected the greatest GM and coach the league has ever seen. (Tongue in cheek, that coach hasn't been fired yet)
Yeah ... that's horse crap, but in a week or two it WILL be the narrative.
CanadaCanes
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The narrative is comical when the bottom line remains that there are only 31 of these GM jobs in the entire NHL, so to make it sound like no one wants the job is well beyond garbage journalism.
I'm pretty sure the Leafs have already refused to let the Canes interview Kyle Dubas, but when you read about the type of GM that Dundon wants, Dubas is maybe the best Assistant GM out there anywhere that fits the bill, especially with his analytical background and youthful approach to trying things completely different than the norm. The strange twist with Dubas is he has close ties to Ron Francis with both hailing from the Soo.
I'm pretty sure the Leafs have already refused to let the Canes interview Kyle Dubas, but when you read about the type of GM that Dundon wants, Dubas is maybe the best Assistant GM out there anywhere that fits the bill, especially with his analytical background and youthful approach to trying things completely different than the norm. The strange twist with Dubas is he has close ties to Ron Francis with both hailing from the Soo.
Paulie Walnuts
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You don't get your first or even 2nd choice in a lot of cases. That's no big deal.
Then you have really bad searches like last year when Tenn. needed a new FB coach. That was bungled so much that the AD got fired in the middle of the search. They got turned down by a bunch of head coaches and had to hire an assistant from Alabama. Or the NCSU BB coach search in 2006 when they had to hire an alum, Sidney Lowe, after a lot of turn downs. He lasted about 5 years before they tarred and feathered him out of town.
Then you have really bad searches like last year when Tenn. needed a new FB coach. That was bungled so much that the AD got fired in the middle of the search. They got turned down by a bunch of head coaches and had to hire an assistant from Alabama. Or the NCSU BB coach search in 2006 when they had to hire an alum, Sidney Lowe, after a lot of turn downs. He lasted about 5 years before they tarred and feathered him out of town.
CarolinaPen
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Canes are also likely competing with Seattle and after what Vegas pulled off this year those expansion GM jobs could be pretty appealing to build from complete scratch.