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GDT Maple Leafs vs Maurice's Missing Jets 7PM EST

nah, if Nonis and Lieweke had half a brain, they would have made up their mind to fire the entire coaching staff many games ago - maybe after the seasons over. Not sure if they had to wait for the inevitable playoff bust game.
 
Gretzky- President Of Hockey Operations
Nicholson- General Manager
Mike Babcock- Head Coach (Leiweke factor, ie Brinks truck on both Red Wings and Babcocks door)
 
Leafin' said:
Gretzky- President Of Hockey Operations
Nicholson- General Manager
Mike Babcock- Head Coach (Leiweke factor, ie Brinks truck on both Red Wings and Babcocks door)
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One glitch in your plan, Babcock is stlll the coach and we would need Detroit's permission to talk to him otherwise it's tampering. Besides, I highly doubt he leaves Detroit to come here, wishful thinking.
 
Firing the staff is one thing, I wonder how they can deal with whoever is dragging the room down?
Can they try a season with Phaneuf just playing, no captaincy? Is it Lupul who has to go... I don't know, but we've already fired the staff, we gotta look at the team as well.
 
Leafyblue said:
3 pages on a Saturday night. wow. Even the fans have given up.
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had won 2 in a row on GDT so i started tonight's but my intention always was to go out and watch TFC. The leafs were done after the red wings loss for everyone except the mathematically challenged.
 
Bleedsblue&white said:
Firing the staff is one thing, I wonder how they can deal with whoever is dragging the room down?
Can they try a season with Phaneuf just playing, no captaincy? Is it Lupul who has to go... I don't know, but we've already fired the staff, we gotta look at the team as well.
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I think you have to give this core group another go without Randy's system. It's no coincidence that absolutely everyone in that room is putting up career worst possession numbers, by a wide margin. I think you trim the dead weight, add some quality veterans with size and skating ability to the group by trade/free agency and see what this group has under a new coach, new system.

Don't get me wrong, if Carolina is looking to do something stupid you make sure you're first in line, but failing that I think your best bet is to add to this group, not to blow it up. If they're still this same disjointed, shambolic mess in their own zone under a new coach, new system, then by all means start looking at ways to dismantle it some, but I have a hard time believing that everyone on this team forgot how to play possession or defensive hockey all at the same time.

I don't buy the "dumb players" thing either. Good systems make decision making easy, our system seems predicated on making every little play a bit harder. Hanging onto the puck a bit longer, making longer passes, etc.
 
Hell of a contrast between Bolland's postgame comments and our captain's. The guy with two Cup rings thought we got outworked by a hungrier team, and Dion didn't.
 
Yea interesting interviews. The defence definitely needs work. But do you get rid of Phaneuf? That'd be a really bold move.

A team like Edmonton would love to have a player like him, especially since he's locked up for the next 7 years. NOt sure where else we'd be able to get full value. Kinda BS how we have a core of guys locked up for the foreseeable future that are incredibly flawed.

Im not on the trade Phaneuf wagon as of yet, and would much prefer to see we add a player of Phaneuf's ilk to play with him. I am pro-Leafs though, and i am in for moving anyone and everyone so long as the team improves.
 
Leafin' said:
Yea interesting interviews. The defence definitely needs work. But do you get rid of Phaneuf? That'd be a really bold move.

A team like Edmonton would love to have a player like him, especially since he's locked up for the next 7 years. NOt sure where else we'd be able to get full value. Kinda BS how we have a core of guys locked up for the foreseeable future that are incredibly flawed.

Im not on the trade Phaneuf wagon as of yet, and would much prefer to see we add a player of Phaneuf's ilk to play with him. I am pro-Leafs though, and i am in for moving anyone and everyone so long as the team improves.
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Here's the problem people aren't grasping- If we trade Phaneuf who steps up to play his (25-30 mins) a night effectively? Franson? No he's slow as molasses out there. Gardiner? Too much of a wildchild out there Rielly? He's got the potential but lets remember he's just 20 years old and I don't think he's ready to go up against the big boys of the league every game just yet, maybe 2-3 years down the road but not now. Keeping Phaneuf makes the most sense, while he does have his warts he has done a good job at playing against some tough opposition, I'd rather try to find a guy who can play with him (ala Girondo) then trade him leaving a black hole on our back end.
 
MindzEye said:
I think you have to give this core group another go without Randy's system. It's no coincidence that absolutely everyone in that room is putting up career worst possession numbers, by a wide margin. I think you trim the dead weight, add some quality veterans with size and skating ability to the group by trade/free agency and see what this group has under a new coach, new system.

Don't get me wrong, if Carolina is looking to do something stupid you make sure you're first in line, but failing that I think your best bet is to add to this group, not to blow it up. If they're still this same disjointed, shambolic mess in their own zone under a new coach, new system, then by all means start looking at ways to dismantle it some, but I have a hard time believing that everyone on this team forgot how to play possession or defensive hockey all at the same time.

I don't buy the "dumb players" thing either. Good systems make decision making easy, our system seems predicated on making every little play a bit harder. Hanging onto the puck a bit longer, making longer passes, etc.
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You don't trade Kessel or JVR or Phaneuf, etc. There is no need to blow it up, but personnel is definitely an issue that you can't just ignore and fill some depth. Even last year they were a bottom seed team that lost in the first round. There is lots of room to improve high in the lineup, especially up the middle and on the blueline, whether they had this collapse or not.
 
Typical Leafs - win the big game that they are supposed to lose, and lose the games that they should win.

I was convinced at the beginning of the season that this would be a let-down season after finally making a play-off appearance last season. But early success pre-Olympics swayed me to believing that this roster was better than it is. I think a coaching change is in order - and the team needs to rebuild the 2nd and 3rd lines.
 
Not impressed at all with Phaneuf either; frankly whole team's play has been down right embarrassing and this GDT illustrates the frustration of the fan base. 3 pages on Saturday = fan based is tired of the same old shit of collapsing late season
 
Phaneuf completely collapsed. He was terrible.

I defend the guy a lot but you can't defend his play when it mattered most. Makes that contract look worrisome.
 
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