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at the level that were not good enough to make the NHL ?
at the level that were not good enough to make the NHL ?
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they are the best juniors, AHL is not necessarily the best level and CFL are not the best players of that sport, it is like watching Hungarian league soccer instead Liga.
they are the best juniors, AHL is not necessarily the best level and CFL are not the best players of that sport, it is like watching Hungarian league soccer instead Liga.
wiseguy1
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Hungarian soccer is the same soccer played in Italy. But CFL is different enough from the NFL brand to offer something unique. I am sure Australians do not in general snear at their Australian Rules Football League. In fact they embrace it because its more exciting than rugby.
Hungarian soccer is the same soccer played in Italy. But CFL is different enough from the NFL brand to offer something unique. I am sure Australians do not in general snear at their Australian Rules Football League. In fact they embrace it because its more exciting than rugby.
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Please Wise, while there are slightly different rules, it is still football like the NFL as evidenced by fact Americans can come play. Australian Rules Football is not the same sport so your analogy is bad.
Please Wise, while there are slightly different rules, it is still football like the NFL as evidenced by fact Americans can come play. Australian Rules Football is not the same sport so your analogy is bad.
wiseguy1
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The difference between Australian Rules Football and rugby are greater than between that of the CFL and NFL. But the analogy is legitimate in the sense that the ARF is a uniquely Australian product as is the CFL is to us. A casual viewer wouldnt be able to tell the difference between CFL and the NFL, but people who know the game can definitely see the difference and develop a preference. Besides the 3 downs vs 4 downs, the larger field makes a world of difference. One thing I don't like about the NFL is all of this "hand fighting" between receiver and defensive back on pass attempts (especially near the goal line because the end zones are so small). Most completions in the CFL are "clean". The receiver can use the wider field to gain a step on his defender and make more exciting pass and run plays.
The difference between Australian Rules Football and rugby are greater than between that of the CFL and NFL. But the analogy is legitimate in the sense that the ARF is a uniquely Australian product as is the CFL is to us. A casual viewer wouldnt be able to tell the difference between CFL and the NFL, but people who know the game can definitely see the difference and develop a preference. Besides the 3 downs vs 4 downs, the larger field makes a world of difference. One thing I don't like about the NFL is all of this "hand fighting" between receiver and defensive back on pass attempts (especially near the goal line because the end zones are so small). Most completions in the CFL are "clean". The receiver can use the wider field to gain a step on his defender and make more exciting pass and run plays.
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The difference between CFL and NFL is pretty much like NHL and Swedish Elite League. It is the same sport but slightly different rules.
The difference between CFL and NFL is pretty much like NHL and Swedish Elite League. It is the same sport but slightly different rules.
wiseguy1
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Oh yeah? They ice 6 skaters in the Swedish Elite League?
Oh yeah? They ice 6 skaters in the Swedish Elite League?
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The extra man is a pretty meaningless difference.
12 v 12 or 11 v 11, it is still the game sport. Australian Rules Football is not the same sport. Your analogy was extremely weak, just admit it.
The extra man is a pretty meaningless difference.
12 v 12 or 11 v 11, it is still the game sport. Australian Rules Football is not the same sport. Your analogy was extremely weak, just admit it.
wiseguy1
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I never compared it to North American football. Why would I , North American football has no history in Australia. Twice I explained this and you chose not to acknowledge (Whats wrong with you? Lawyers are supposed to have strong comprehension skills...No?) I compared ARF to rugby, which is also popular in Australia. ARF is a spin off from rugby, but I am sure Australians so not trash ARF in favour of rugby. That was my point.
I never compared it to North American football. Why would I , North American football has no history in Australia. Twice I explained this and you chose not to acknowledge (Whats wrong with you? Lawyers are supposed to have strong comprehension skills...No?) I compared ARF to rugby, which is also popular in Australia. ARF is a spin off from rugby, but I am sure Australians so not trash ARF in favour of rugby. That was my point.
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You are digging yourself a bigger hole.
You referred to it in the same sense as CFL being uniquely Canadian. You mentioned rugby in one obscure sentence. You were referring to ARF as being Australian and they don't trash it like Canadians do our unique sport. ARF is not the same sport as rugby whereas CFL and NFL are basically the same sport with minor rule changes. Same equipment, passing, kicking, just a slightly larger field and other minor differences.
ARF v rugby are two different sports.
You are digging yourself a bigger hole.
You referred to it in the same sense as CFL being uniquely Canadian. You mentioned rugby in one obscure sentence. You were referring to ARF as being Australian and they don't trash it like Canadians do our unique sport. ARF is not the same sport as rugby whereas CFL and NFL are basically the same sport with minor rule changes. Same equipment, passing, kicking, just a slightly larger field and other minor differences.
ARF v rugby are two different sports.
wiseguy1
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Not really... because I admitted that the differences between rugby and ARF are greater than than that of the CFL and NFL. But my main point is that I think it is "un Canadian" to trash a sport that is really unique to this country (more unique than hockey is to be honest), especially in favour of one that is American (blah ...as if that overhyped league needs more attention and money). To prefer one over the other is acceptable... to trash the CFL as being amateurish is just wrong.
The CFL is not like the Swedish Elite League, the SEL is a boring defensive hockey league, because there is a major shortage of elite players with high end offensive skill. The CFL is much more entertaining, you will see a handful of highlight reel plays in every game .
Crap even the football itself is not the same; American based quarterbacks need a few weeks to get used to the feel of the ball... some talented American quarterbacks never learn to adjust to the angles of the wider field and become epic failures. Some players can't adjust to all that motion in the backfield etc etc...I can go on and write paragraphs about the differences. The answer lies somewhere in between, the CFL is a unique brand of football much more unique than European hockey is to North American hockey. Rugby is a diffferent sport than ARF but many of the skill sets are the same. I.E. kicking, handballing and running with the ball and learning how to tackle without equipment. Both would appeal to Aussie fans who like physical contact sports, and I am sure both sports compete against each other for the sports fan's dollar. But I am sure to trash ARF as an inferior contact sport to rugby would be very unpatriotic
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Not really... because I admitted that the differences between rugby and ARF are greater than than that of the CFL and NFL. But my main point is that I think it is "un Canadian" to trash a sport that is really unique to this country (more unique than hockey is to be honest), especially in favour of one that is American (blah ...as if that overhyped league needs more attention and money). To prefer one over the other is acceptable... to trash the CFL as being amateurish is just wrong.
The CFL is not like the Swedish Elite League, the SEL is a boring defensive hockey league, because there is a major shortage of elite players with high end offensive skill. The CFL is much more entertaining, you will see a handful of highlight reel plays in every game .
Crap even the football itself is not the same; American based quarterbacks need a few weeks to get used to the feel of the ball... some talented American quarterbacks never learn to adjust to the angles of the wider field and become epic failures. Some players can't adjust to all that motion in the backfield etc etc...I can go on and write paragraphs about the differences. The answer lies somewhere in between, the CFL is a unique brand of football much more unique than European hockey is to North American hockey. Rugby is a diffferent sport than ARF but many of the skill sets are the same. I.E. kicking, handballing and running with the ball and learning how to tackle without equipment. Both would appeal to Aussie fans who like physical contact sports, and I am sure both sports compete against each other for the sports fan's dollar. But I am sure to trash ARF as an inferior contact sport to rugby would be very unpatriotic
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It's that time again where I bitch about CBC.
First off the Canucks players are irate at Don Cherry for calling them whiners recently. Kesler and one of the Sedins were interviewed about it and they said no one listens to what Cherry says anymore, which is what we all say outside of Ontario.
Cherry hates the Habs; hates the Canucks; loves the Leaves. That's a real good thing to have on a national broadcast network.
However my pet peeve once again is reoccurring. HNIC has its late night condensed replay of 2 games played earlier on Saturday night... sort of like RDS Express. Now if the Habs get the national game at 7pm EST then CBC will play the Toronto game in the late night condensed version and that makes perfect sense. Actually they even have a 3rd game to chhose from at that 7pm time slot these days now that Winnipeg is back in the league.
Anyhow so last week there was Toronto-Pittsburgh on the national game at 7pm EST while the Habs played Boston regionally and Winnipeg played Tampa or something also regionally. SO what game does CBC put on during the 1st game of the late night express. No not the Habs or Jets game but the Leaves game once again.
You can guarantee that had the Habs been the national game at 7pm EST that the Leaves would have had their game played on the late night telecast.
I mean how ****ing hard is it at that point to pick another game to show? These late night games start at 11pm PST time, which is 2am EST out east so I doubt this has anything to do with ratings. The games have already been recorded so why not play a different one when you would do that exact thing if the Leaves didn't get the national game at 7pm EST? I wouldn't even care if they had shown the Jets game... just show something different than you showed on the national game.
Other than the 2 games against the Leaves already this season I don't believe the Habs will have a national game on Saturday night on HNIC until Nov 26 when the Leaves don't play that Saturday. I'm not debating that the Habs haven't been good enough to watch this season so far but the Leaves rarely have been in the past 6 years and yet they still get forced down everyone's throat across the country despite their record. I can tell you first hand that out here people I talk to generally hate the Leaves because of how much they are shown on the national games and while they may not like the Habs much either they would like to see a balance of the eastern teams shown on Saturday in the opening game. I guess that is too shocking for the CBC execs to comprehend... just like everyone must love Don Cherry, how can we not?
It's that time again where I bitch about CBC.
First off the Canucks players are irate at Don Cherry for calling them whiners recently. Kesler and one of the Sedins were interviewed about it and they said no one listens to what Cherry says anymore, which is what we all say outside of Ontario.
Cherry hates the Habs; hates the Canucks; loves the Leaves. That's a real good thing to have on a national broadcast network.
However my pet peeve once again is reoccurring. HNIC has its late night condensed replay of 2 games played earlier on Saturday night... sort of like RDS Express. Now if the Habs get the national game at 7pm EST then CBC will play the Toronto game in the late night condensed version and that makes perfect sense. Actually they even have a 3rd game to chhose from at that 7pm time slot these days now that Winnipeg is back in the league.
Anyhow so last week there was Toronto-Pittsburgh on the national game at 7pm EST while the Habs played Boston regionally and Winnipeg played Tampa or something also regionally. SO what game does CBC put on during the 1st game of the late night express. No not the Habs or Jets game but the Leaves game once again.
You can guarantee that had the Habs been the national game at 7pm EST that the Leaves would have had their game played on the late night telecast.
I mean how ****ing hard is it at that point to pick another game to show? These late night games start at 11pm PST time, which is 2am EST out east so I doubt this has anything to do with ratings. The games have already been recorded so why not play a different one when you would do that exact thing if the Leaves didn't get the national game at 7pm EST? I wouldn't even care if they had shown the Jets game... just show something different than you showed on the national game.
Other than the 2 games against the Leaves already this season I don't believe the Habs will have a national game on Saturday night on HNIC until Nov 26 when the Leaves don't play that Saturday. I'm not debating that the Habs haven't been good enough to watch this season so far but the Leaves rarely have been in the past 6 years and yet they still get forced down everyone's throat across the country despite their record. I can tell you first hand that out here people I talk to generally hate the Leaves because of how much they are shown on the national games and while they may not like the Habs much either they would like to see a balance of the eastern teams shown on Saturday in the opening game. I guess that is too shocking for the CBC execs to comprehend... just like everyone must love Don Cherry, how can we not?
wiseguy1
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What I find amusing is that when the Leafs play a Western Canadian team on the road on a Saturday night, the starting time is moved up to be the prime time game at 7:00 PM EST, forcing the Western rink fans to scramble to the ice for a 4:00 or 5:00 PM start. The Canadiens are then forced to play an afternoon game to get National Coverage or are bumped off the National show altogether.
What I find amusing is that when the Leafs play a Western Canadian team on the road on a Saturday night, the starting time is moved up to be the prime time game at 7:00 PM EST, forcing the Western rink fans to scramble to the ice for a 4:00 or 5:00 PM start. The Canadiens are then forced to play an afternoon game to get National Coverage or are bumped off the National show altogether.
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it isn't hard to get to a game for 4 or 5 in the afternoon on a weekend
it isn't hard to get to a game for 4 or 5 in the afternoon on a weekend
acescanuck
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Maybe if you have tix to the game, but to get home to a tv, after picking kids up at daycare, and dealing with supper is challenging some days. I personally find it irritating. Time zones/late starts are one of the few advantages Pacific teams have given all the traveling they do compared to Eastern teams.
What I'm really trying to say is every day I am thankful man invented PVR.
Maybe if you have tix to the game, but to get home to a tv, after picking kids up at daycare, and dealing with supper is challenging some days. I personally find it irritating. Time zones/late starts are one of the few advantages Pacific teams have given all the traveling they do compared to Eastern teams.
What I'm really trying to say is every day I am thankful man invented PVR.
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I like it when HNIC airs 3 games on a Saturday and the Habs get the afternoon game while the Leaves always get the primetime game. If everyone loves watching the Leaves wouldn't they watch them at 3.00 in the afternoon as well?
You can debate the reasoning all you want but at the end of the day it comes down to CBC execs believing the whole country cheers for the Leaves and enjoy watching them. Would love it if we had a device where you get to choose the game that CBC is showing live. Then we would see who everyone wants to watch across the country.
I like it when HNIC airs 3 games on a Saturday and the Habs get the afternoon game while the Leaves always get the primetime game. If everyone loves watching the Leaves wouldn't they watch them at 3.00 in the afternoon as well?
You can debate the reasoning all you want but at the end of the day it comes down to CBC execs believing the whole country cheers for the Leaves and enjoy watching them. Would love it if we had a device where you get to choose the game that CBC is showing live. Then we would see who everyone wants to watch across the country.
